Lots of projects are mapped quickly, but validated slowly. This could be
because
(A) beginners don't feel qualified to pass judgement
(B) people don't like to pass judgement
(C) doing original work is more fun than reviewing someone else's work.
I have a couple suggestions for encouraging valida
> Hello, I read your message about validating, I am new, I have digitized
a lot of buildings for Malawi, and the Vanatu. I thought I should just jump
in, work as completely as possible and then leave it to be validated. I
don't feel confident enough to say its done. Is that the wrong way to go
abo
Hi John,
I think what you write makes a lot of sense.
And as the person who wrote you says, this is also a very common feeling
new mappers have, not being sure if they should mark a task done.
I think currently people who do create projects in the tasking manager
try and keep what to map in
Hi All,
I started a HOT club at the University of Vermont and we'd like to start
validating real time (or as close to real time as possible) at mapathons to
make sure people are editing to the best of their ability. We'd also like
to set up geomentoring relationships to pair club members with new
Very good points you brought up Dan.
I feel very strongly about the #2 point about adding a statistic for
validators, it does take effort to browse the tiles properly. I sometimes
end up adding a few missing buildings or landuse areas if they are only a
few minor missing features.
Hopefully those
Hi Daniel,
This makes much sense.
Do you have a github account? If so, please create an issue and copy
paste your message there.
Pierre
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 2:51 AM, Daniel Specht wrote:
> Lots of projects are mapped quickly, but validated slowly. This could be
> because
> (A) beginners don
: Mercredi 25 mars 2015 0h55
Objet : Re: [HOT] validating tiles
Very good points you brought up Dan.I feel very strongly about the #2 point
about adding a statistic for validators, it does take effort to browse the
tiles properly. I sometimes end up adding a few missing buildings or landuse
Tasking manager. See the recent discussion.
> https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/545
>
>
>
> Pierre
>
> --
> *De :* Denis Carriere
> *À :* Daniel Specht
> *Cc :* hot@openstreetmap.org
> *Envoyé le :* Mercre
propositions a few times on the Github
>> isssues service for the Tasking manager. See the recent discussion.
>> https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/545
>>
>>
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>> ----------
>> *De :* Denis Carriere
This is kind of a very subtle point, but I have written about it before:
I find it difficult to validate tiles because they so often need more
work and are not really "done".
That leaves me with these choices:
1. Do the mapping myself, which I usually do, but then I have less time
for vali
'incomplete' instead of 'invalid'?
I'll be honest, I've never validated a task b/c I thought you needed a
certain level of 'certification' (even informally).
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Blake Girardot
wrote:
>
>
> This is kind of a very subtle point, but I have written about it before:
>
"Needs another look?" maybe, both incomplete and invalid are slightly
negative. I like the idea of sending someone a more positive message when
their tiles have been validated, could it include the comment by the
validator?
Cheerio John
On 25 March 2015 at 11:27, James Conkling
wrote:
> 'incom
It's an interesting discussion and one that we have fairly frequently.
At the mapathons we run in London, whoever is doing the training is careful
to make clear that volunteers should mark squares as done once they think
they are done. They are reassured that when a validator goes over their
mappi
I wonder if this has been discussed before - and I apologized if it
has - would it be a viable idea to add a slider or a percentage drop
down menu for the mapper to select the amount of work that still needs
to be done for each task? This can be a subjective and rough estimate
from the person worki
And just to go off at a tangent has anyone thought about tapping into old
people's homes? Some residents are mentally alert and it might help keep
them amused. Not a full scale mapathon and you might even have to explain
what a mouse is. Many will not have wifi, but JOSM can work off line and I
Hello,
Cheers to Blake and Dan for articulating all I have been feeling
about doing validations.
I do think that new terminology is needed ("invalidated" -- ugh!).
Why not just change it to "needs more mapping"? We don't need a single
word.
Also, it would be good to have a
Hi,
as there seemed to be a need for validating the last Haiti projects, I did some
tiles, though I am not very comfortable with validating - considering myself
halfway experienced at best.
I found several tiles that were very neatly mapped, all the buidlings squared,
although they were all don
You need JOSM for validating anyway so if you're using JOSM then you can
simply search for everything and it will give you the mappers name. iD
will not pick out the crossing ways and duplicate nodes etc.
Have you read through
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_dat
Another approach: If you have an element (node, way, relation) that you are
validating, once you select it in JOSM ("S" to put JOSM in "select mode"
and then click on the element), you can press +H to see everyone who
has ever edited it.
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 6:49 PM, john whelan wrote:
> You
>Another approach: If you have an element (node, way, relation) that you
are validating, once you select it in JOSM ("S" to put JOSM in "select
mode" and then click on the element), you can press +H to see
everyone who has ever edited it.
Well yes but that means JOSM has to query the server which
Hello,
I see two ways for JOSM: one somewhat-clickable and without plugins, the
other slightly more powerful.
Clickable:
- in the TM user profile,
http://tasks.hotosm.org/user/Piskvor
- there's an Overpass Turbo link to the user's edits, grouped by projects:
http://overpass-turbo.eu/map.htm
Hi!
Yes, JOSM has the funtionality! First download the data for the area you
want. JOSM has a search function[1] by pressing Control-F. "user:" will
find all objects which were last edited by that username (e.g.
"user:rorym" will find all objects last touched by rorym).
The TODO list plugin[2] co
Awesome, thanks for all the feedback!
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:04 AM, Marie Zemanova wrote:
> Another way if this will be regular thing: make a stylesheet showing the
> name on the element at say zoom 20.
>
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You can also use http://osmcha.mapbox.com/ you can filter by username
or list of users or by bbox or many other combinations.
Basic tutorial here:
https://www.mapbox.com/mapping/validating-osm/#finding-suspicious-map-edits-using-osmcha
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 7:17 PM, noah ahles wrote:
> Awesome,
Another way if this will be regular thing: make a stylesheet showing the
name on the element at say zoom 20.
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https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Hi,
Severin (sev_hotosm) commented in an earlier message that validation
needs to include an overview of a whole area being mapped, and having
attempted to validate a whole town, I agree with him. The checking of
the small squares from the Tasking Manager can only be an early stage,
as you d
This is my personal view after doing more than a fair amount of validation.
If you square the buildings you are making an approximation on what the
original mapper mapped. It doesn't look as pretty to leave it as it was
but that is what I would do. If mappers used the JOSM building tool to
start
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:38 AM, john whelan wrote:
>
> If the buildings are way out compared to Bing then you could select one
> displaced building and note the name. Now search for all the buildings,
> within that search for the mapper. Hopefully all their buildings will be
> displaced the sa
7;s better to keep those?
But in the end everything should be in the "right" place, shouldn't it?
Gesendet: Montag, 24. Oktober 2016 um 16:38 Uhr
Von: "john whelan"
An: Kretzer
Cc: "HOT Openstreetmap"
Betreff: Re: [HOT] Validating and imagery offset
Thi
Hi Nick,
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Nick Allen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Severin (sev_hotosm) commented in an earlier message that validation needs
> to include an overview of a whole area being mapped, and having attempted
> to validate a whole town, I agree with him. The checking of the small
>
Hi,
I was recently involved in teaching a large group of new mappers, and
close to the end of the session I repeated to them how to find the
squares they have mapped, click on them, and see the comments that the
validator had left. At the end of the session I was approached by
representatives
I actually think we're overthinking this issue. The first few suggestions
that were made were on the money - that mappers can have the ability to receive
feedback on squares they complete, by ticking an opt-in box when they complete
a task. Validators can then provide valuable feedback to new
Hi,
For info of all who are consciously validating squares (& a few who may
not realise they have been validating).
I've been contacted concerning one of the very successful recent
mapathons. A little research after the event has shown that several
squares of at least one project have been m
I wholeheartedly agree that an automated message that sends the comments
when a task is validated or invalidated would be great.
I really like feedback on the mapping I do.
Sort of related, I'd like to be able to subscribe to comments on a task
so I get an email every time someone comments on
nners.
Pierre
De : Blake Girardot
À : "HOT@openstreetmap.org"
Envoyé le : Vendredi 29 août 2014 13h03
Objet : Re: [HOT] Validating & TM2 - a send message button?
I wholeheartedly agree that an automated message that sends the comments
when a t
ierre
*De :* Blake Girardot
*À :* "HOT@openstreetmap.org"
*Envoyé le :* Vendredi 29 août 2014 13h03
*Objet :* Re: [HOT] Validating & TM2 - a send message button?
I wholeheartedly agree that an automated message that sends the comments
when a task is validated or invalidated
I think getting a message about editing errors is a valid quality process.
I suppose that you could allow the editor to opt out, or even opt in to
messages as well as confirmation that the edit was validated.
Clifford
On Aug 29, 2014 9:47 AM, "Nick Allen" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was recently involve
I don't really like getting notified for every validated square. But I
would like some interface where I can query certain stuff.
* Query the tiles I worked on
* Query the tiles I commented on
* Query the tiles I set to "Done"
* Query the tiles I (in)validated
And then also some filters I could a
I just want to make sure I understand this:
We are just talking about getting an email for squares that we
personally have marked as "completed" when it gets validated or
invalidated, not for every square that gets validated.
Or, as an alternative:
Every square that we have personally marke
+1 for the "Notify me of comments" checkbox suggestion.
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Blake Girardot wrote:
>
> I just want to make sure I understand this:
>
> We are just talking about getting an email for squares that we personally
> have marked as "completed" when it gets validated or inv
Hi all,
Thinking aloud, would not be possible (actually asking tech people) to have
a tool allwing the following:
- detecting changesets with hotosm hashtags and picking up the username
- comparing the username to a list of HOTOSM contributors and stating if it
is new or not and already validated
Hi all,
I was very grateful when I was contacted and made aware of an issue that I
was unaware of as a beginner and it has helped me to improve my input.
I believe it is necessary to be able to give this kind of constructive
assistance to those who are giving their time and contributions to the
p
Severin
I like the ideas here. Essentially, we're talking about calculating and
recording mappers "reputation", and then incorporating into handling of
validation.
"How did you contribute" http://hdyc.neis-one.org/ is one example of
reputation calculation. It's entirely automated. Your suggesting
llateoz,
I think you're probably right. There is a danger that nothing will
happen because so many people have good ideas that no decision is reached.
I will see if I can raise the requests at the Training Working Group & I
see it has already appeared in the Activation Working Group agenda.
On 9/1/2014 9:03 AM, latte wrote:
I have dabbled in IRC in the past, but now that I tend to use a graphic
based environment, I find IRC very draining and sometimes hard to
follow.
I am curious if you have tried the web browser irc client?
It is no more difficult or challenging than any text
IMHO, the task manager shouldn't automatically assign validation tasks. The
potential problems outweigh any benefits from that feature.
Regards,
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 19:33 Nick Allen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For info of all who are consciously validating squares (& a few who may
> not realise they have
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Yeah, this definitely is an issue, 'take a random task' should not
offer validation squares.
As for criteria on who can validate, it might be worth setting up
something like you need to have completed at least 5 squares and had
at least one validated
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 09:28:11 -0600
Andrew Buck wrote:
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> Yeah, this definitely is an issue, 'take a random task' should not
> offer validation squares.
>
I did not see this issue in the TM's issue list. Just FYI.
https://github.com/hotosm/osm
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Oh yeah, sorry for the confusing terminology. I meant 'issue' as in
'a problem' not that there was a ticket on github already. In any
case, thanks for opening one.
- -AndrewBuck
On 11/12/2014 01:50 PM, Ray Kiddy wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 09:28:1
Hi Severin,
Sounds like a nice approach. However the first two steps are unneeded
- we can detect new users when they mark squares as done, not via
changeset hashtags. In my experience newcomers often forget to tag
changesets, so your approach would miss many of them - yet we already
know their us
contributions for a
Task bbox, even if he did not use a hashtag in the Changeset comment.
Pierre
De : Dan S
À : "hot@openstreetmap.org"
Envoyé le : Dimanche 31 août 2014 13h47
Objet : Re: [HOT] Validating & TM2 - providing feedback to new mappers
Hi,
gamification seems to be a hot trend lately. My understanding of this
is a clear communication of (community) goals and closing the feedback
cycle to individual contributors. Counting validated squares may be a
good proxy for a user's efficiency. It may not be the most finegrained,
and le
To all who have, Thank you for contributing to this thread.
Although I had been mapping for several years before I started mapping
with HOT, I found my needs were similar to those described by others. I
found myself trying to interpret satellite imagery without the benefit
of having visited th
Hi,
On the subject of validation.
As someone who now spends most of their mapping time validating, I think
we 'sell' it the wrong way. I only use the validation button in JOSM now
if I think I am going to find something, and generally use the
HOT-Validate paint Style (Well worth trying if you
Hi all, I have been a bit quiet, just coming back on line after one month
recovering form a Motor Bike Crash. Seems I am not as invincible as I
thought :)
Nick +1 for your comments, I totally agree. I also think and Opt In or Opt
Out Check Box "Please send me comments" on the Task for each User, o
There was a discussion several months ago proposing irc like client for
each job. I think embedding synchronous communication for each job is a
good approach to providing real-time feedback to those working on a
specific project/job.
For some prior art, check out MapCraft [0]. Related tickets [1
On 8/31/2014 10:09 PM, maning sambale wrote:
There was a discussion several months ago proposing irc like client for
each job. I think embedding synchronous communication for each job is a
good approach to providing real-time feedback to those working on a
specific project/job.
For some prior
- #hot irc
- List of validation comments for this user
- etc
Pierre
De : Blake Girardot
À : HOT
Envoyé le : Dimanche 31 août 2014 22h26
Objet : Re: [HOT] Validating & TM2 - providing feedback to new mappers
On 8/31/2014 10:09 PM, maning sambale w
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