Folks
Hoping that you can cure my ignorance re implications of z/OS 1.4 end of
support date,
or at least direct me to the path to enlightenment pls.
We may choose to run on an unsupported version for say, 6 to 9 months after
Mar-07
on an Amdahl Millennium server. We ran on 2.10 for 6 months past
Hi all,
we have a customer who will migrate from OS/390 2.9. do z/OS 1.4(or 6)
They run Adabas. Is anybody aware of any specific problems regarding
Adabas in zOS ?
Thank you
Marian Gasparovic
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Only reference i've found so far is that z/OS 1.4 can coexist
with z/OS 1.5, thru
1.7, but nothing about parallel sysplex.
...
Interesting, because that is exactly what SYSPLEX co-existance means.
1.3 cannot run in the same SYSPLEX as 1.7 1.4 cannot run with 1.8.
It's N through N-3.
What
Steve (C),
if you still need a newsserver, there are a number of totally free
newsservers around on the internet, no subscription needed, usually no
posting allowed, but you don't need this since you must post via email.
If you need one, Google for free newsservers, there are lists maintained
by
Hi List -
Has anybody gained experience in setting up/using CCL?
Any tips/hints are welcome.
Thanks in advance,
Regards
Tonni Ottosen
CSC Danmark A/S
Retortvej 8
DK - 1780 København V
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Only reference i've found so far is that z/OS 1.4 can coexist
with z/OS 1.5, thru
1.7, but nothing about parallel sysplex.
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Interesting, because that is exactly what SYSPLEX co-existance means.
Co-existence
Brian Peterson wrote:
[...]
Brian,
Thank you for your help. Now it's clear - I have 3592 support, but only
basic one - MEDIA5, but not MEDIA6,7,8.
BTW: PSP is one of the most complicated things in mainframe world.
First: 3592DEVICE - how could I obtain the name? Where is it documented?
Then
I didn't specify DEVSUPxx. I also read that HSM can only use WORM for
ABACKUP, so I will start form there and redesign my plans for WORM usage.
Thank you all for help.
Regards,
Natasa
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Hello,
While moving to 3390-9 devices, I want to enlarge our pageds, but am not
sure of the limits.
From OW54255 I found that the maximum size is now 4GB, if SADUMP must be
able to process it.
From z/OS V1R3.0 DFSMS Access Method Services for Catalogs: 17.1.1 I read
that the maximum size is 16M
Natasa, HSM currently only supports WORM tapes for ABARS; ABACKUP and
ARECOVER.
If you, or anyone else, believes they have a good reason to use WORM for
other HSM functions please let HSM development know. They really do want
to know why someone would want to do this. One way to do this might be
Marian,
we have the same environment and we're going to
migrate in two weeks time. So far we didn't experience
any major problem for Adabas on the new z/OS, but I'll
drop a post on this list or let you know offline in
case we face any issue.
Best regards
Walter Marguccio
--- Marian Gasparovic
Ted MacNEIL wrote:
It's N through N-3.
It used to be n-3. When IBM changed z/OS to an annual release schedule,
they also changed the coexistence policy to be all supported releases.
That simplification of the coexistence policy was (IMHO) the only really
good thing that came from the
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/27/2005
at 09:41 AM, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
We've installed z/OS 1.6. We are moving from OS/390 V2R9.
In the new Z/OS IPCS system (under TSO) I seem to be missing a
module.
When selecting an option under analyze, I get the
CSV003I REQUESTED MODULE
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/27/2005
at 01:27 PM, Michael Knigge [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
is it somehow possible to write standard Tape-Cardridges with a PC
Yes; the drive will cost more than the PC, but is not out of line.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
ISO
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/26/2005
at 08:33 AM, Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
All data is either UTF-32 text or binary
Why not provide for optionally storing data in the more compact UTF8
and UTF16? They could still be presented to the applications as UTF32.
You need the transform
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/25/2005
at 11:32 PM, Clark Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Since the actual hardware is FBA now and the magic is done in the
controller, I see no need for the CKD oriented access methods to be
ported to new style devices.
I wasn't suggesting new device-dependent
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/27/2005
at 05:06 AM, Dave Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Oh yes. Our Net Nanny is VERY strict, no possibility of smut is
allowed.
IME, there's a far higher chance of getting smut from e-mail than from
Usenet. If they're worried about smut, they'd do far better
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/27/2005
at 10:59 AM, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
What do you mean ?
He means subtraction, division and multiplication by 100. It may not
by the most convenient way, but the data are there.
Volume free does not imply vtoc free.
And oranges aren't aardvarks. He
Try [EMAIL PROTECTED] The name is WEBSPHERE.
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I know this is the wrong
Dear Colleagues,
I know this is more of a business question, but perhaps some of you have
been involved in the technical compliance part of this.
There are new credit card compliance rules (firewall placement, etc.)
coming into effect for VISA credit card transactions.
There seems to be
In a message dated 6/28/2005 6:56:15 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That might indicate a mismatch between your exit definitions and your
MIGLIB. Are you using the new exit definitions from z/OS or did you
carry the old definitions forward from OS/390?
As Brian
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/26/2005
at 01:38 PM, Edward E. Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Since when??
My recollection is OS/360 Release 18. Certainly by R20.
Huh?? Which form of IDENTIFY do you believe can be used to create a
major CDE from
...
Non-sysplex systems do also communicate and interact (JES, GRS etc. etc.)
and the limitations also apply to that broader level, which include sysplex
systems
...
JES/NJE(P) is not restricted to n-3.
It never has been.
GRS does not communicate outside of an instance of MVS (SYSPLEX is
On Jun 24, 2005, at 8:42 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
06/23/2005
at 01:33 PM, Bill Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
With FLAG(I,I) which became the default at the same time as DBCS, the
message *does* appear exactly AFTER the line (inserted by the
preprocessor)
...
It used to be n-3. When IBM changed z/OS to an annual release schedule,
they also changed the coexistence policy to be all supported releases.
...
Semantics.
1.4 through 1.7 is N-3 to N.
Do the math. (8-{]}
-teD
(The secret to success is sincerity.
If you can fake that,
you've got it
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
Sure, e.g., FDREPORT, ISPF, PDS85, StarTools.
I'm surprised nobody has offered the obvious way yet - a small assembler
program using LSPACE macro and SVC. Old form reports only free DSCBs,
new form includes free VIRs.
Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT
Instead of http:// use news://
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would you care to elaborate a little
Mike,
we had an idea to archive some data that way - one copy on one media (EMC
Centera), and another on WORM tape as some kind of backup to the first one.
HSM seemed like a logical choice, because it can fill a tape (but obviously
not WORM), and it has some kind of record keeping capability.
I
Ken,
I could not get that link to work either.
Bob
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Here's what I
Natasa,
A WORM cartridge cannot be re-used (Write ONCE, Read Many). Once data has
been written on a WORM cartridge, you can only add more data to it (either a
MOD operation to the last file or adding secondary datasets behind it).
Putting a WORM cartridge in SCRATCH status means you have
If IBM really has changed the coexistence policy to all supported
releases then 1.4 will coexist with 1.8 since they've extended the EOS
date for 1.4 to 3/7 and 1.8 will be out 9/6. Can someone please point me
to the doc with the policy change?
Jim
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Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM wrote:
Steve (C),
if you still need a newsserver, there are a number of totally free
newsservers around on the internet, no subscription needed, usually no
posting allowed, but you don't need this since you must post via email.
If you need one, Google for free newsservers,
It is the address of the newsserver, that you specify in your newsreader's
account info.
E.g. in Outlook Express, you define a News account, on the Server tab you
specify this address after: Server name:, like you would specify someting
like news.myprovider.com when using your own provider's
Richards.Bob wrote:
Ken,
I could not get that link to work either.
Bob
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Russell,
I know that WORM cartridge cannot be re-used once user data is written on
it. But I have a cartridge that was entered in library as PRIVATE (RMM
status USER), and has never been used. So instead of doing eject/enter
again, or delete/define via IDCAMS, I was wondering if there is a way to
That way worked, but was a different format than I was used to, Thanks.
Bob
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Filling voids and reducing their own development costs.
Both acquisitions make sense, at least to me. Omegamon is a market leader and
so is SoftAudit. It has helped bolster the Tivoli product suites in both
Performance Management and Asset Management.
Is there something else you are looking
Steve,
I got *that far* before. It is when I click on an announcement on that page
that the problem occurs.
Bob
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Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 9:35 AM
To:
Richards.Bob wrote:
Steve,
I got *that far* before. It is when I click on an announcement on that page
that the problem occurs.
Bob
Huh. Strange, 'cause it works for me.
Oh well, I see you got your problem solved.
Kind regards,
-Steve Comstock
Well, he's not the only graybeard who didn't get that memo. I missed it
too. I just looked it up, and Ed is correct -- IDENTIFY *must* specify an
address within an already-loaded/fetched/etc. program.
Now why'd they go and do that? That means I can't use that old CompSci
trick of
Natasa Savinc wrote:
Russell,
I know that WORM cartridge cannot be re-used once user data is written on
it. But I have a cartridge that was entered in library as PRIVATE (RMM
status USER), and has never been used. So instead of doing eject/enter
again, or delete/define via IDCAMS, I was
Ed Finnell wrote:
In a message dated 6/28/2005 6:56:15 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That might indicate a mismatch between your exit definitions and your
MIGLIB. Are you using the new exit definitions from z/OS or did you
carry the old definitions forward from
I think the supposition is that for most people it is easier to deal with
tool output particularly from a supported stable source than to RYO. Some
would say it is sad but for most the programming has long been removed from
Systems Programmer.
Best Regards,
Sam Knutson,
And it does for me too. I guess I'll retire the old way as BAD. grin
Bob
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On 28-Jun-2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richards.Bob) wrote:
Is there something else you are looking for? Some sinister motive perhaps?
As to the Isogon acquisition, I just hope the price comes down to earth.
Nothing sinister. We're pretty much a CA shop but I'm interested in seeing
what will
Knutson, Sam wrote:
I think the supposition is that for most people it is easier to deal with
tool output particularly from a supported stable source than to RYO. Some
would say it is sad but for most the programming has long been removed from
Systems Programmer.
IMHO it's good. At least for
If your mounts are marked NOAUTOMOVE, then they will be unmounted when
their owning system goes away. You basically want your system-specific
datasets (/etc/, /var/, /dev/, stuff like that) to be NOAUTOMOVE, as it's
(generally) ok for them to be unmounted. Items like your version root,
sysplex
We migrated to z/OS 1.3 couple of years back with ADABAS 713. We
migrated to NATURAL 315 before we upgraded the OS just to be on the
safer side of support. We again migrated from z/OS 1.3 to 1.4 last
november and also an upgrade to z/ARCH processor. Did not face any
problems due to the migration
Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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Hello,
While moving to 3390-9 devices, I want to enlarge our pageds, but am not
sure of the limits.
From OW54255 I found that the maximum size is now 4GB, if SADUMP must be
able to process it.
From z/OS
So we'll most likely be asking customers to have MORE page packs (and for
ASM to have to manage them) for a while. This assertion based on my view
(driven by a little experience) that it's a rather good idea to be able to
sustain dumping those large address spaces we're getting used to having.
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 06/28/2005
10:18:52 AM:
Ed Finnell wrote:
In a message dated 6/28/2005 6:56:15 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That might indicate a mismatch between your exit definitions and your
MIGLIB. Are you
We may be about to upgrade from a 9672-R76 to a z900-104. We are running
z/OS v1.4 with CICS/TS v23, IMS v8, DB2 v7 and various CA, BMC, Compuware,
TMON, and MacKinney products.
What are the gotchas, watchouts, etc. in this upgrade? 64 bit issues?
Thanks,
Craig
_http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/24/news/fortune500/ibm_india/_
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Craig Kittendorf wrote:
We may be about to upgrade from a 9672-R76 to a z900-104. We are running
z/OS v1.4 with CICS/TS v23, IMS v8, DB2 v7 and various CA, BMC, Compuware,
TMON, and MacKinney products.
What are the gotchas, watchouts, etc. in this upgrade? 64 bit issues?
Yes, you'll move
...
If IBM really has changed the coexistence policy to all supported
releases then 1.4 will coexist with 1.8 since they've extended the EOS
date for 1.4 to 3/7 and 1.8 will be out 9/6.
...
I never saw that doc either.
And, I follow this quite closely since I am working for a back-levelled shop
In a message dated 6/28/2005 10:49:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This crossed my desk. In case anyone is interested, it's about educating
our replacements...
http://www.cio.com.au/index.php/id;1954503653;fp;4;fpid;21
Educating my replacement(s) sounds good
There is an old technology, one that is ordinarily used statically, that can
also be used somewhat dynamically to circumvent the security-orient[at]ed
restrictions that have been imposed upon the
use of IDENTIFY proper.
It employs a preassembled n-element transfer vector, each element of which
Jim Ladouceur wrote:
If IBM really has changed the coexistence policy to all supported
releases then 1.4 will coexist with 1.8 since they've extended the EOS
date for 1.4 to 3/7 and 1.8 will be out 9/6. Can someone please point me
to the doc with the policy change?
As we announced, Starting
The supported part of all supported releases is also important. As
an example, when z/OS 1.6 came out, it co-existed with z/OS 1.3. But
z/OS 1.3 went off support March 2005, so z/OS 1.3 can no longer co-exist
with z/OS 1.6.
Don Imbriale
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Thank you for the clarification.
regards, JVD
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Mautalen Juan Guillermo wrote:
It is probably something very obvious, but i am having a hard time
figuring out what is wrong...I am trying to use the SUM function
provided by DFSORT.
My control statements are, as the documentation indicates, something
like:
SORT FIELDS=(20,5,CH,A)
SUM
I thought an oxymoron was an idiot who worked for Armand Hammer.
(The preceeding was a jest, if you don't get it, look up Armand Hammer in
Google. If you don't think its funny you probably don't recognise the pun
as the highest form of humor).
John implicitly raises a question I was going to ask. What the heck is
the security exposure in letting a program define a new entry point in
GETMAIN storage (but not in defining a new entry point in CSECT
storage)?
Especially when it is as easy as John describes to circumvent (or even
easier to
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 06/28/2005
02:53:54 PM:
In a recent note, Farley, Peter x23353 said:
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:10:25 -0400
Well, he's not the only graybeard who didn't get that memo. I missed
it
too. I just looked it up, and Ed
Hi All,
Anyone know of a list server that offers AS/400, iSeries, I5 topics?
just an old mainframer trying to stay employed!
Thanks!
*BobL*
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I am looking for a way to display the SVC's that are running on our
systems (mainly the dynamically installed ones).
We have a couple of products that do this (i.e. Resolve and CA-EXAMINE).
However, these products don't run on all of our systems.
I mainly want to just know the SVC #'s that are in
Thanks for the help this shows a lot of information that I think I will
be able to use for another purpose.
However, it appears that it only shows SVC's that it can determine names
for.
A number of our dynamic SVC's do not show.
The TASID info seems to cover my needs.
Jay Paulson
Hi,
What is IRRDPTAB and is it needed if we have Top Secret instead of RACF?
Thanks,
Craig
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Hi,
What is IRRDPTAB and is it needed if we have Top Secret
instead of RACF?
Jim Mulder wrote:
So, when IBM removed the function from MVS, they created a secret
handshake (available to privileged code only) to allow the loader
itself to continue using the interface? Cute!
The undocumented loader interface has been there at least as long as I
have been here
I'd be interested in finding something like that, which can do a secure DOD
erase under z/OS...
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Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 17:44
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/28/2005
at 05:46 AM, Edward E. Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
That capability was removed in MVS. Didn't you get the memo?
No. The authors of SY28-3814-0 didn't get it either, since they list
IDENTIFY as being done by HEWLOAD/HEWLOADR and give the PLIST on p130.
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 06/28/2005
at 10:10 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Well, he's not the only graybeard who didn't get that memo. I missed
it too. I just looked it up,
Where? The Devil is in the details.
IDENTIFY *must* specify an
address within an
Another way around this that I've seen is to load a non-reentrant module and
modify it to point to your getmained program. Do an IDENTIFY to that glue
code and then you can LINK/ATTACH etc.
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:
Well, he's not the only graybeard who didn't get that memo. I
That's ok.
I thought Love Canal was a song by The B52s.
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Sent: Tue 28/6/05 19:11
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Subject: Oxygenated morons
I thought an oxymoron was an idiot who worked for Armand
R.S. wrote:
IMHO it's good. At least for the companies. System programmers should do
system programming, working in companies which produces systems.
Companies which *buys* systems should have system exploitation staff.
Last but not least: it is much less probable to blow up the system when
I don't understand your comment.
As previously indicated the FLAG(I,I) option became the default at the same
time as DBCS.
Therefore, the compiler error message WILL appear in the listing IMMEDIATELY
after the line inserted by the translator (indicating the column in that
line with the
There certainly may have been a problem earlier, but when I click on the
link
http://www.ibm.com/news/usalet/
It does redirect me to a site with today's announcements AND I can click on
any specific announcement and get to the requested announcement.
Eric Chevalier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
On Jun 28, 2005, at 5:44 PM, Gabe Torres wrote:
Hello List,
I have gleaned the Archives on this subject, and have found NEW ERA's
FAST DASD ERASE, and IBM's DFDSS, ICKDSF and IEBDG.
Is the List aware of any other Vendors or products that offer a
solution
($$) to writing over DASD at a DR
Has anybody gained experience in setting up/using CCL?
Any tips/hints are welcome.
You might find this helpful:
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246298.html?Open
Or you could get your boss to spring for a ticket to Interaction
(Australia) next month ;-)
One of the guys from
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