Greg,
Thanks for the info.
To sum up:
I can safely move all my current 3390-03 pageds to 3390-09's on ESS with
dynamic (WLM managed) PAV's, two 3 GB pageds belonging to the same system on
each volume, ensure sure they are not used over 30%. Right?
One question about the 30%: in the 3380 era,
Hi,
In linux machine, I can type cat /proc/cpuinfo to check its cpu
info. But how to check cpu info of z/os machine by TSO?
Thank you!
Best Regards,
Xie Bo
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Hi,
Can EMC disk work in a IBM GDPS solution (ie. GDPS PPRC/HyperSwap) ? I see
that EMC has an equivalent AutoSwap function. I also see that EMC with
Enginuity level 5568 or higher can become a PPRC device and hence be managed
by GDPS.
Thanks
Yi Ming
Ron,
Please, correct me if I'm wrong.
Job fails, so cluster must be deleted and restored from backup. Am I
right ?
So, IMHO restore also restores VSAM stats, doesn't it ?
I mean restore, not REPRO or IMPORT.
--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland
Ron and Jenny Hawkins wrote:
Tom, et al,
I was
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward E. Jaffe
Mark Thomen wrote:
That's what module IFG0TC0A (IFG-gotcha) does.
I've always called it I-F-Gotcha! or just I've Gotcha!
And VSE VSAM gives us IKQVDU (IKQ Voodoo).
-jc-
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL
...
1) One can always do one's own interval accounting by opening
and closing the file periodically.
...
I hope you are joking!
That would be somewhat like sending separate 18-wheelers to deliver
Ron and Jenny Hawkins wrote:
Radoslaw,
Now there's an interesting point. If I recall correctly a Logical Dataset
Restore uses IDCAMS REPRO under DFDSS, so what you get is a reorged KSDS
with stats that say it isn't.
Unless it was physical dump. It depends on backup technique and datamover.
Hi Radoslav
You might try DFSORT. Easy if Record type 4 serves your needs (written at
end of jobstep) since this is a fixed length record.
For recordtype 30, which is variable in length, use a 2-phase job that
calculates the offsets of the desired fields in Step 1 and uses them as
symbols in
I intend to put z/OS 1.6 on a T-REX 2084-318 (18 processors).
Has someone used this kind of configuration, z/OS 1.6 and more than 16
processors? What about performance? Any problem with ISVs products?
Maria Inês H. S. Silva
BANCO ITAU S/A
São Paulo - Brasil
Tel.: (0xx11) 3274-9087
E-mail:
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Tom, et al,
I was just thinking... CICS aside, when a job ABENDS while
updating a KSDS file, what is the most common thing that
happens to allow the job to be rerun? Delete and restore the
I think I understand what you want: Service class reporting across the
sysplex. Here's how I do it
I dump the RMF records desired and then XMIT the data to one LPAR. (all
DASD is not shared) All the datasets are concatenated into the RMF
postprocessor JCL and I then can report by service
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Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:47 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus
snip
Peter,
Somewhere in the back of my paged out
The programme prefix for dfpSMS is IGD.
Years ago, either the main module or an alias was IGDZILLA.
“I, God-Zilla”.
Still true. Back when SMS was new, the lmod size was about 1M, making
it the largest module in LPA. Today the size is about 2.3M, still the
largest module in LPA by a goodly
Somewhere in the back of my paged out (permanently?) memory is there
used to be (or there is one currently) a utility that went through the
catalog and looked for vsam datasets and listed any that according to
its recommendation ones that needed
re-orging. My mind just can't remember the
... Macro-4 used to do one called VSAMTUNE, didn't they? (tho' it might've
been only for use on VSE...)
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Of McKown, John
Sent: 07 July 2005 14:18
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM VSAM
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 07/07/2005
04:48:14 AM:
To sum up:
I can safely move all my current 3390-03 pageds to 3390-09's on ESS with
dynamic (WLM managed) PAV's, two 3 GB pageds belonging to the same
system on
each volume, ensure sure they are not used
Don't overtax yourself looking for it. :-)
It's the company where Herr Schiradin works. But, for a translation - Alte
- old - Leipziger - of the city of Leipzig. (It's an insurance company,
located near Frankfurt.)
Later,
Ray
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M. Ray Mullins
Roseville, CA, USA
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:13:35 -0300, maria Ines maria-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I intend to put z/OS 1.6 on a T-REX 2084-318 (18 processors).
Has someone used this kind of configuration, z/OS 1.6 and more than 16
processors? What about performance? Any problem with ISVs products?
I don't
Robert A. Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
At 07:36 -0500 on 07/06/2005, Chase, John wrote about Re: IBM VSAM
Statistics are often Bogus:
The fact remains that CEMT P SHUT I causes an ABNORMAL termination of
CICS,
as would the MVS CANCEL or FORCE command.
Martin Packer wrote:
Maria, will the z/OS R.6 LPAR have more than 16 logical CPs? If not I know
of several of my customers who have machines with more than 16 Physical CPs
- but all of those have no more than 16 Logical CPs in a partition. (I
think it's just a matter of time before the z/OS R.6
In a message dated 7/7/2005 10:39:48 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's probably worth saying that support was up to 24 processors
(the sum of CPs and zAAPs) in a single z/OS image at GA, and is
now up to 32 processors in a single image.
Probably wouldn't hurt
John,
I didn't think 32 engine support was available until 1.7. Are you
saying it's in 1.6 (with the right PTFs)?
Jim Horne
Lowe's Companies, Inc.
John Eells wrote:
It's probably worth saying that support was up to 24 processors
(the sum of CPs and zAAPs) in a single z/OS image at GA, and
In a message dated 7/7/2005 10:39:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's probably worth saying that support was up to 24 processors
(the sum of CPs and zAAPs) in a single z/OS image at GA, and is
now up to 32 processors in a single image.
Obviously I missed some
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:25:19 -0500, Paul Dineen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bill,
A zAAP (zSeries Application Assist Processor) is a processor engine which
absorbs a percentage of JAVA workload, available for z990/z890. A large
benefit of a zAAP is that OS software charges don't apply to it's use.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:36 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus
snip
Bruce,
Not sure it was either... But getting back to
Bo Xie wrote:
In linux machine, I can type cat /proc/cpuinfo to check its cpu
info. But how to check cpu info of z/os machine by TSO?
Go to READY prompt or ISPF Option '6' (Command Prompt) and type:
CONSOLE
D M=CPU
Enter
END DEACTIVATE
--
Documentation for the GRSCNFxx parmlib member can be found in z/OS V1Rx.0
MVS Initialization and Tuning Reference (although GRSQ was added in the
APAR OA07975, as you mentioned, so may not be there in your copy of the
publication).
Your first syntax choice would work fine, i.e.
GRSDEF
Mark Zelden wrote:
I don't have a single LPAR with more than 16 (yet?), but a friend
of mine is running that configuration at his shop. I don't think
there were any specific ISV issues because of 16 CPs. Obviously
monitors need to support 16 to report correctly, but even if your
monitor
Tom said:
I commend Mark for taking the issue in hand and trying to implement a long
term solution, and for raising it to the level where it is discussed so
that the appropriate awareness is reached, but Mark doesn't need my
commendation for job satisfaction.
Say what you want about IBM but its
Dave,
yes, that would work. Here is what I am trying to do: Since RMF does no
such thing in realtime nor does it do any *decent* reporting in
hindsight I would like to compute service classes exceeding their goals
*in realtime*. The really *only* report RMF even remotely produces per
Restoring a system from DSS logical dump using the following:
RESTORE DS(INCLUDE(**)) INDD(INDD1) OUTDYNAM(xx) -
BYPASSACS(**) RECATALOG(other.systems.mcat.name) -
NMC NSC IMPORT TOLERATE(ENQFAILURE) REPLACE
The new system's catalog is connected to the driving system's
You could also check the Sysplex Performance Summary Report in RMF Monitor
III for real time info.
Dave Thorn
Senior Technology Analyst
SunGard Computer Services
600 Laurel Oak Road
Voorhees, NJ 08043
Office 856-566-5412
Fax 856-566-3656
Cell 609-781-0353
Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all,
A little VM question. I want to attach the 510RES volume to the maint
user. Currently however the volume is cp owned and attached to system. I
thought there was a special command to release the 510RES from system
(or any cp owned volume) and attach it to maint, but I can't find it
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Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:57 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z/OS 1.6 and more than 16 processors
z/OS does not allow SRB or TCB affinity to any processor
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
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Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:59 PM
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Subject: Releasing 510RES from system
Hi all,
A little VM question. I want to attach the 510RES volume
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
Hi all,
A little VM question. I want to attach the 510RES volume to the maint
user. Currently however the volume is cp owned and attached to system. I
thought there was a special command to release the 510RES from system
(or any cp owned volume) and
Not knowing why you would want to attach 510RES to MAINT, have you
considered using the virtual full pack mini-disk address of 123 (usually)
which is already defined for MAINT. Do a Q V 123 from MAINT. I doubt that
you will be able to detach this volume from a running system.
HITACHI
DATA
In a message dated 7/7/2005 12:56:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
z/OS does not allow SRB or TCB affinity to any processor whose address is
larger than x'0F'. The affinity 16-bit masks were not extended. Some of
the other 16-bit masks (in IHACSD, for example)
On Jul 7, 2005, at 11:25 AM, Paul Dineen wrote:
Bill,
A zAAP (zSeries Application Assist Processor) is a processor engine
which
absorbs a percentage of JAVA workload, available for z990/z890. A
large
benefit of a zAAP is that OS software charges don't apply to it's use.
--SNIP---
If he's talking about VSAMAID from CA, the manual states:
quote
Once installation has been completed, it is necessary to perform a
statistics collection run for the VSAM clusters in batch. Although this
process has been optimized to execute as quickly as
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:40:23 -0700, Edward E. Jaffe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Restoring a system from DSS logical dump using the following:
RESTORE DS(INCLUDE(**)) INDD(INDD1) OUTDYNAM(xx) -
BYPASSACS(**) RECATALOG(other.systems.mcat.name) -
NMC NSC IMPORT TOLERATE(ENQFAILURE)
Erik Janssen wrote:
A little VM question. I want to attach the 510RES volume to the maint
user. Currently however the volume is cp owned and attached to system.
I thought there was a special command to release the 510RES from
system (or any cp owned volume) and attach it to maint, but I can't
Edward E. Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Restoring a system from DSS logical dump using the following:
RESTORE DS(INCLUDE(**)) INDD(INDD1) OUTDYNAM(xx) -
BYPASSACS(**) RECATALOG(other.systems.mcat.name) -
NMC NSC IMPORT
Thanks all for replying.
Somebody mistakenly initted the 510RES volume with a z/OS VTOC. Thus
damaging the volume and also preventing restoring a cpvolume dump. The
system is still running so I'm looking for a way of starting ICKDSF to
do a format of the volume to make it a cpvolume again so
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:59:39 -0500, McKown, John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a side question. Is there any particular use for CPU Affinity any
more?
snip
There have been a couple of farily recent threads about this. I think
one a few months ago. Search the archives or google.
Mark
--
Mark
Mark Zelden wrote:
Can you try defining an SSA to the target master and then restore
with renameu? Of course you would have to do that for each one
that failed (and also alter the name afterwards).
Thanks, Mark. I'll give that a try. (PITA! It's quite a few data sets!)
Doesn't it seem
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
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Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:27 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z/OS 1.6 and more than 16 processors
snip
Paul,
Just curious... do the vendors who charge
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:27:12 -0500, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just curious... do the vendors who charge fees by capacity take the
zAAP processor into consideration?
NO! At least not yet. That is the whole point. Well, almost the whole
point. A zAAP engine is (IIRC)also about 1/4 the
On Jul 7, 2005, at 1:43 PM, McKown, John wrote:
IANP (I Am Not Paul),
Sorry, John. I made an error. Please accept my apologies.
Ed
Supposedly not. However, I can imagine some vendor of Java-based
middleware doing so in the future. And likely charging the zAAP site
for
the total number
On Jul 7, 2005, at 1:44 PM, Mark Zelden wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:27:12 -0500, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Just curious... do the vendors who charge fees by capacity take the
zAAP processor into consideration?
NO! At least not yet. That is the whole point. Well, almost the
Erik,
If MAINT is still logged on and you have an exact duplicate of your 510RES
system available on another volume, you should be able to DDR COPY the first
few cylinders from your new volume to your currently running 510RES volume
and again use the virtual full volume device number of 123 for
Actually if you have a limited number of high-level qualifiers, you could
use the rename or renunc(renameu) parameter to just put a new HLQ on the
datasets without having to rename each one separately.
Rex
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From: Edward E. Jaffe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Mark Zelden wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:25:19 -0500, Paul Dineen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bill,
A zAAP (zSeries Application Assist Processor) is a processor engine which
absorbs a percentage of JAVA workload, available for z990/z890. A large
benefit of a zAAP is that OS software charges
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:43:48 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
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Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:27 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z/OS 1.6 and more than 16 processors
snip
Just curious... do the vendors who charge fees by capacity take the
zAAP processor into consideration?
Ed
Ed,
IBM does recommend checking with your vendor, but there are no software
charges as zAAP engine is JAVA specific. Now if you're vendor software is
JAVA based, I'd guess you may need
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:12 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z/OS 1.6 and more than 16 processors
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:43:48 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
There is a product from Mainstar Software that we used many years ago
called VSAM Manager.
I checked their web site - www.mainstar.com and it is still listed with
the following description:
VSAM Manager analyzes logical record to CI relationships - checking for
potential efficiency
...
Now I'm curious where the new knee of the curve is at which adding one
additional instruction processor results in a net loss of throughput for a
processor complex due to inter-processor serialization.
...
It depends on who you ask.
The LSPR throughput figures for anything above 16 are
Horne, Jim - James S wrote:
John,
I didn't think 32 engine support was available until 1.7. Are you
saying it's in 1.6 (with the right PTFs)?
Yes.
We announced the intent to support 32-way images on R6 in February:
Scale up and scale out: z/OS V1.6 currently allows you to scale
up in
...
Just curious... do the vendors who charge fees by capacity take the
zAAP processor into consideration?
...
Maybe yes and maybe no.
So far nobody has bellied up to the bar with an answer, that I know of.
But, unless the vendor supplies applications written in JAVA, I would think not.
-teD
Mark,
Care to bet who will be the first?
Ed
Ed,
I'm sure there are others, probably Mark as seem to recall gleaning some
info from him during planning, but we implemented one in Feb.
In fact, my PHB (just kidding Bruce) had me review his upcoming CMG
presentation Getting zAAPed this week.
...
NO! At least not yet. That is the whole point. Well, almost the whole
point. A zAAP engine is (IIRC)also about 1/4 the price of a general
purpose processor.
...
Also, they run at full speed.
This only matters on z/890's with variable speeds.
But, where they get you is on maintenance
I believe John suggested using CLOSE TYPE=T to get a user equivalent of
interval recording. This should update the catalog, and generate a type-64
SMF record with bit 4 of SMF64RIN set. My question is whether multiple
such
type-64 records have to be manually accumulated. In other words, if I
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:15:52 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
-Original Message-
On Behalf Of Tom Schmidt...
snip
I'm waiting for the first license agreement that simply
demands a seat on
the company's board of directors and stock options for the vendor. We
can't be all that far away from
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:19:20 EDT, Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Forget the session, why don't you send the program to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) ???
There is a KSDSPACE program from Jan Jakubek on CBT file 394. I've used the
program in the past and been quite pleased with
R.S. wrote:
IMHO it is also worth to say about LPAR weights with zAAP aka IFA.
I was told (it's not my observation) about some gotcha's when
different types of processors (CP, IFC, IFL, IFA) are in use,
especially when CF LPARs are in use (due to 'active wait').
Work is dispatched to zAAP
Ray Mullins wrote:
The Honeywell Series 6000 boxes - taken from GE design, IIRC - had 36-bit
[...]
I wonder if Groupe Bull's machines still do this.
Yes, they still do GCOS machines, but this is niche.
--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:30:16 -0500, Martin Kline wrote:
I believe John suggested using CLOSE TYPE=T to get a user equivalent of
interval recording. This should update the catalog, and generate a type-64
SMF record with bit 4 of SMF64RIN set. My question is whether multiple
such type-64 records
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
Thanks all for replying.
Somebody mistakenly initted the 510RES volume with a z/OS VTOC. Thus
damaging the volume and also preventing restoring a cpvolume dump. The
system is still running so I'm looking for a way of starting ICKDSF to
do a format of
Edward E. Jaffe wrote:
R.S. wrote:
IMHO it is also worth to say about LPAR weights with zAAP aka IFA.
I was told (it's not my observation) about some gotcha's when
different types of processors (CP, IFC, IFL, IFA) are in use,
especially when CF LPARs are in use (due to 'active wait').
You wouldn't want to be doing a large number of TCLOSEs per run... on
the order of 1's or maybe 10's but not 100's and certainly not 1000's.
You'll be swatting a gnat with a nuclear device in short order with
this approach. (These statistics just aren't that important.)
I agree to doing a
Geez is this thread ever going to die? It has not edged
towards Jaffe's conjecture yet, so it might keep limping
along. Darren could kill it at any second (if we're lucky)
I do want to thank Mark for his open and
candid responses, and that he (at least) has tried to do
something about this
I asked this on the OE-MVS Listerver but I want to hit a different and
wider audience.
Has anyone run into IBM products using z/OS Unix that allocate /tmp/
subdirectories at installation and expect them to still exist later on?
And a related question: Do z/OS shops regularly clean out their
We are considering doing our Builds and Promotes in SCLM by Change Code. We
are currently having a problem with one person making a change to a Copy
Member and someone else, who uses the member, promoting the change before
it's ready to go to production. The Build and Promote by Change Code
Is there an SMP/E list command which will produce
a compact (one per line, or several per line) of
SYSMOD IDs in a given target zone?
LIST SYSMODS is overly verbose for my purposes.
(But I could concentrate its output.)
(My objective is to give a customer a LIST command
the output of which can
Radoslaw,
As far as I recall it uses Export for Catalogs and REPRO for other VSAM.
Ron
Unless it was physical dump. It depends on backup technique and datamover.
BTW: is it REPRO or EXPORT ?
--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland
With a little help I just upgrade my Cobol-Analyzer to handle Enterprise Cobol
V3.4
It's delivered to Sam Golob so please track the cbttape updates FILE321. If
someone relay on this
version feel free to drop me an email. .
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Kind regards
i. A. Roland Schiradin
Alte
From: Paul Gilmartin
Is there an SMP/E list command which will produce
a compact (one per line, or several per line) of
SYSMOD IDs in a given target zone?
LIST SYSMODS is overly verbose for my purposes.
(But I could concentrate its output.)
Not that I'm aware of. Would be useful in lots
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:40:15 -0500, Patrick O'Keefe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And a related question: Do z/OS shops regularly clean out their /tmp/
directory? I know it gets cleaned out with an IPL if it lives in TFS,
but I have heard that many Unix installations automatically clean out
/tmp/
From: Patrick O'Keefe
Has anyone run into IBM products using z/OS Unix that allocate /tmp/
subdirectories at installation and expect them to still exist later on?
Not yet - we use tfs, so we would have heard by now.
And a related question: Do z/OS shops regularly clean out their /tmp/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
(My objective is to give a customer a LIST command
the output of which can simply be filtered into
an APPLY SELECT() command in order to create a test
zone at the same maintenance state as the zone in
which a problem occurred.)
snip
Have you considered using
REPORT SYSMODS does this - it even creates the exact APPLY statements
needed to bring ZONE1 up to the level of ZONE2.
Or did I misunderstand the requirement?
Brian
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:18:55 -0600, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Is there an SMP/E list command which will produce
a
In a recent note, Brian Peterson said:
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 19:33:14 -0500
REPORT SYSMODS does this - it even creates the exact APPLY statements
needed to bring ZONE1 up to the level of ZONE2.
I need to RTFM. Sounds more promising than GENERATE (but thanks
for that, also) (I did
Can I do it without access to ZONE1? (I'll RTFM.)
There just had to be a reason that John and I both neglected to mention
this, now didn't there.
Shane ...
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On Jul 7, 2005, at 2:13 PM, Paul Dineen wrote:
Just curious... do the vendors who charge fees by capacity take the
zAAP processor into consideration?
Ed
Ed,
IBM does recommend checking with your vendor, but there are no software
charges as zAAP engine is JAVA specific. Now if you're vendor
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