Re: sequence numbers (or whatever)

2006-07-30 Thread john gilmore
Ed Jaffe wrote: | Ed Gould wrote: | | | While your statement is true it would seem to me JES2 (JES3?) still sends out source and as | | long as it does then statement sequence numbers are needed. I vaguely remember that IBM | | at one time said they were going to stop sending out source for

Re: Data set ENQueues and DEQueues in Jobs

2006-07-30 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 13:14 -0600 on 07/28/2006, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: Data set ENQueues and DEQueues in Jobs: A JES3 partisan once told me, as I whined about a job spewing ENQ messages into SYSLOG while another job held an ENQUE for the same DSN on a different volume, That wouldn't happen with JES3.

Re: Data set ENQueues and DEQueues in Jobs

2006-07-30 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 09:06 -0700 on 07/28/2006, Edward Jaffe wrote about Re: Data set ENQueues and DEQueues in Jobs: Staller, Allan wrote: I am not familiar enough w/JES3 to make a useful comment.    The initiator (IEFIIC) is not a JES program! It does what it does without regard to the type of job entry

Re: SEQUENCE NUMBERS

2006-07-30 Thread Edward Jaffe
john gilmore wrote: Ted MacNeil WRITES: REPEAT AFTER ME! SMP is your friend! SMP NEEDS statement numbers. SMP certainly uses SNs and IEBUPDTE in some contexts. Equally, it omits to use them in others where it could do so. It never needs to use them, and it would be well if it had

Re: Google Architecture

2006-07-30 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote: Google runs on hundreds of thousands of servers—by one estimate, in excess of 450,000—racked up in thousands of clusters in dozens of data centers around the world. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#12 Google Architecture ... in somewhat similar vein Grid

Re: wd4z JES job Monitor

2006-07-30 Thread Mary Kay Tubello
No, port 6715 is free. The error I get is a return code of 38. Also, Bind failed - retry with REUSEADDR option Bind2 failed: rc=-1 errno=1115 JM202I TCP/IP may have failed or been recycled. I can't find where these are documented. (Another problem - the documentation

Homoeoteleutera / Google Architecture / sequence numbers (or whatever)

2006-07-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, john gilmore said: Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:12:44 + My favorite---storm warning of a big word to come---is their notional usefulness in avoiding homoeoteleutera; but others may well have their own, different favorites. Congratulations!

Re: OSA SF and IOACMD

2006-07-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/29/2006 at 12:08 PM, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Since I noticed ITYM perceived, inaccurately. malice and badgering PKB. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We

Re: OSA SF and IOACMD

2006-07-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/29/2006 at 11:45 AM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It just seems that some people can't take a hint, PKB. Schmeul, I see that not only can't you read, you can't copy text accurately either. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO

Re: OSA SF and IOACMD

2006-07-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/28/2006 at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Even IBM calls it USS. Sigh! Humor is such a subtle thing. Maybe I was too subtle for you. Even IBM calls the user id UID. RS was being a hypocrite. Worse, because IBM was using UID as an abbreviation for

Re: SEQUENCE NUMBERS

2006-07-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/30/2006 at 01:21 AM, john gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It never needs to use them, How else would you package ++ APAR sysmods to only change the relevant code? There are packaging issues if you want to be able to use SUP as intended, without requiring a

Re: SEQUENCE NUMBERS

2006-07-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/29/2006 at 12:42 PM, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: AFAIK the sequence numbers are completely useless nowadays. Then your knowledge doesn't go very far. It was used for punched card sorter. That hasn't been the important use for decades. Is there any other

Re: SEQUENCE NUMBERS

2006-07-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/28/2006 at 03:50 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It appeared to me that the OP, perhaps using ISPF as the editor- of-choice, was composing data to be exported as input to a desktop program. Indeed. And it might be appropriate in his specific case to drop

Re: APF Authorized Code/Libraries.

2006-07-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/28/2006 at 05:16 PM, Wayne Driscoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: While that is true, since non-reentrent code loaded out of an APF authorized library is loaded into KEY 8 storage, there is an integrity exposure if said code is loaded into a multi-user address space,

Re: Data set ENQueues and DEQueues in Jobs

2006-07-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Robert A. Rosenberg said: Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:59:30 -0400 I have the impression that the initiator is also smart enough to issue a ENQ TYPE=CHNG (to switch from ENQ=EXC to ENQ=SHR) if I was unaware of such a facility. In fact: Title: z/OS V1R7.0 MVS

Re: APF Authorized Code/Libraries.

2006-07-30 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:08:00 -0300 Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on :07/28/2006 : at 05:16 PM, Wayne Driscoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: :While that is true, since non-reentrent code loaded out of an APF :authorized library is loaded into KEY 8 storage,

Re: Homoeoteleutera / Google Architecture / sequence numbers (or whatever)

2006-07-30 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/30/2006 10:04:58 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did you mean: homoioteleuton More likely homoimaginus. Has anybody written a SHARE requirement for SEQ/NOSEQ in IEASYS? It would probably be on the order of Y2K compliance.

Message IGD17040I Error

2006-07-30 Thread Ed. Benoit
Hello All, What book will I find message IGD17040I Error. I have looked in every book I can think of in bookmanager. IGD101I SMS ALLOCATED TO DDNAME (ISPLST3 ) DSN (SYS06211.T001632.RA000.PEMLA0UL.R0138929) STORCLAS (SCSTAND) MGMTCLAS () DATACLAS ()

Re: SEQUENCE NUMBERS

2006-07-30 Thread john gilmore
Of my contention that Sequence Numbers (SNs) are obsolete, Edward Jeffe writes: | This is just not true! There is nothing obsolete about the use of sequence numbers when creating | an SMP/E usermod. With this technology, it's possible to write a modification to the behavior of a | program

Re: SEQUENCE NUMBERS

2006-07-30 Thread Edward Jaffe
john gilmore wrote: I am as aware as EJ is of the historical use that has been made of SNs to maintain source programs, and I mentioned this role for them explicitly in the post he comments upon. We differ about the desirability of continuing to use them. So be it. Don't misunderstand me!

Re: sequence numbers (or whatever)

2006-07-30 Thread David Cole
At 7/30/2006 09:12 AM, John Gilmore wrote: My favorite---storm warning of a big word to come---is their notional usefulness in avoiding homoeoteleutera; but others may well have their own, different favorites. Google User: define: homoeoteleutera Google (paraphrasing here): Huh?

Re: Message IGD17040I Error

2006-07-30 Thread Stephen Mednick
Try the following link: http://www.teradataforum.com/ibm_pdf/gc28-1788-15.pdf Stephen Mednick Computer Supervisory Services Sydney, Australia -Original Message- What book will I find message IGD17040I Error. I have looked in every book I can think of in bookmanager. IGD101I

Re: IBM Redbook: Introduction to the New Mainframe: z/OS Basics

2006-07-30 Thread Bill Seubert
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:46:50 +1000, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excuse my sceptocity, but such customers exist ??? Yup. Not like they did when I started in the 80s, but they do. Early this year, I was presenting to a customer, and a colleague was asking some z/OS trivia questions. There

S99RBXLN Head's Up

2006-07-30 Thread Edward Jaffe
Those of us that routinely work with MVS dynamic allocation have, literally for decades, lamented the lack of an EQUated symbol to provide the length of the S99RBX data structure. That structure was created back in 1986 with the following change to macro IEFZB4D0. $L1= SMSSTG2 JBB2223 860523

Re: S99RBXLN Head's Up

2006-07-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Edward Jaffe said: Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:04:01 -0700 Hallelujah!!! Happy days!! But ... wait! Was I prescient? The name I've been assigning for 20 years to this user defined symbol is *exactly* the same as that chosen by IBM for the official symbol. I now have

Re: S99RBXLN Head's Up

2006-07-30 Thread Edward Jaffe
Paul Gilmartin wrote: Despite the dozens of errors, do you need to do anything more than delete the single definition in your macro? It appears that the definitions are equivalent. The two definitions are indeed identical in every respect. The only required change is to delete my symbol

Re: Message IGD17040I Error

2006-07-30 Thread Bruce Black
HISTORIC RETURN CODE IS 196 DIAGNOSTIC INFORMATION IS 0C060090 For this code you need to look in the DFSMSdsp Diagnostic Reference. You will find that, for CREATE, 0C060090 means PDSE cannot be VIO. -- Bruce Black Senior Software Developer Innovation Data Processing

Re: Data set ENQueues and DEQueues in Jobs

2006-07-30 Thread Bruce Black
I have the impression that the initiator is also smart enough to issue a ENQ TYPE=CHNG (to switch from ENQ=EXC to ENQ=SHR) if subsequent steps have the DSN as DISP=SHR after the last step that has it as DISP=OLD (ie: Exclusive). Sorry, ENQ RET=CHNG only changes a SHR ENQ to EXCL, not the other

Re: APF Authorized Code/Libraries.

2006-07-30 Thread Jeffrey D. Smith
== -Original Message- From: Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 7/30/2006 10:13 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: APF Authorized Code/Libraries. On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:08:00 -0300 Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)

Re: OSA SF and IOACMD

2006-07-30 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
R.S. wrote: Since I noticed that vast majority (or even all) of Shmuel's mails contains only no, you're wrong or USS is not unix I stopped responding him. I put his e-mail in kill-file, so his mails are filtered. That's good: no more badgering. I don't loose anything valuable, cause usually

Re: wd4z JES job Monitor

2006-07-30 Thread John S. Giltner, Jr.
Errno 1115 means that the address in already in use. I believe here it means the port. You can find it in SYS1.MACLIB member BPXYERNO. Is the 38 a return code or errno? I can find two 38's error number. One means that the system (TCP/IP) is not ready. The other means that a socket

Re: OSA SF and IOACMD

2006-07-30 Thread Ted MacNEIL
but we would not do people's work for them; this explains his you are wrong statements where you expect detailed information on what the error or misunderstanding is. While his approach may seem unreasonable, cold, and hurtful, Insulting! Obnoxious! A few pointers, rather than holier than

Zbigniew Skierski : nie ma mnie w pracy.

2006-07-30 Thread Zbigniew Skierski
Nie będzie mnie w pracy od 2006-07-31 i nie wrócę przed 2006-08-09. Odpowiem na wiadomości po powrocie. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET

Upcoming IBM Redbook Residencies

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