Hello list,
this looks like a Friday question, but maybe some of you know already
this, or Mark Thomen can shed some light on this. There it goes :
issuing LISTC EN(/) ALL beside a UCAT you get to see all ALIASes being
defined in the MCAT. Issuing the same cmd beside a UCAT whose ALIASes
are SYMBOL
Hello everyone,
I just started receiving the following message on a catalog
IEC361I CATALOG CATLOG.MVS.VGEM913 (DATA) HAS REACHED 82% OF THE MAXIMUM EXTENTS
The messages are coming out about twice a month.
I am running z/OS 1.9
Can anyone tell me, what is the proper way to go about expanding th
Can having all production application aliases defined in a single UCAT cause
performance problems? If so, does anyone have any stories to tell regarding
this.
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Is the repro mergecat process disruptive to the source catalog? Does the
answer change if the source catalog is the system master catalog/
Our master catalog was defined with the imbed/replication options and we are
looking at the best way to migrate to a new catalog without the attributes.
It
I've been digging in the archives, haven't hit this yet.
We're starting to test 1.7, have 1.4 in production and on our sandbox. I
want to be able to use some HLQs that are in the 1.4 mastercat so I can
get to my OEM stuff on 1.7. I'm not ready for the mergecat step just yet,
at least I don't th
Symbolic aliases consist of a Type-X Alias record in the master catalog
relating to a symbolic user catalog name. Because the user catalog name
specified for SYMBOLICRELATE uses system symbols, the "real" name may
change simply by changing the value of the symbolic name.
Normally, the us
Try here:
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1II13354
I just started receiving the following message on a catalog
IEC361I CATALOG CATLOG.MVS.VGEM913 (DATA) HAS REACHED 82% OF THE MAXIMUM
EXTENTS
The messages are coming out about twice a month.
I am running z/OS 1.9
Can anyone t
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Hello everyone,
I just started receiving the following message
Depending on-may be easier to do REPRO MERGECAT.
In a message dated 4/30/2012 3:46:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
t...@cio.sc.gov writes:
I had to do exactly the same thing last night to two of my catalogs, for
the exact same reason.
Here is a copy of the jcl I used.
You will have to come
>Can having all production application aliases defined in a single UCAT cause
>performance problems?
>If so, does anyone have any stories to tell regarding this.
1. Define all.
2. It depends on the answer to 1.
3. With VLF, modern DASD, cache, & FICON, most likely not.
4. Very general question --
When I say all, I mean all. There are probably 50 plus applications, but not
sure how many are running at the same time. We are CPU constraint as it is.
I don't know how to go about measuring this to determine if it is a problem or
not. Just trying to see if it is a possibility before raisin
I don't know how to go about measuring this to determine if it is a
problem
A good place to start is the 'f catalog,.' commands. they will tell
you lots of good things about how busy your catalogues are and their
performance.
Jack Kelly
202-502-2390 (Office)
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W dniu 2010-02-17 21:26, gsg pisze:
Can having all production application aliases defined in a single UCAT cause
performance problems? If so, does anyone have any stories to tell regarding
this.
It depends - did you expect any other answer for such general question?
1. It depends on number of
Would that be the F CATALOG,REPORT... commands?
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> Would that be the
>When I say all, I mean all.
I was being facetious.
What I meant was what I said in my fourth point - how many.
I would recommend is that you do some sort of degradation analysis before you
do (what might be) wasted work.
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When I say all, I mean all. There are probably 50 plus applications,
but not sure how many are running at the same time. We are CPU
constraint as it is.
I don't know h
>If you have a sysplex, significant performance would be gained by implemention
>Enhanced Catalog Sharing.
As long as ECS is working!
I've had too many bad experiences.
The I/O to the catalogue is so small, vs the files, that it's not worthwhile!
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Too busy driving to stop for gas!
Ted,
I'm seeing examples of catalogs being in the top 1% of datasets for
read-only disconnect time. While catalog IO may represent a small percentage
of the IO for a file, the aggregate catalog IO may represent a single point
of contention and delay for the end to end application.
Also of note i
"R.S." wrote in message
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> W dniu 2010-02-17 21:26, gsg pisze:
> > Can having all production application aliases defined in a single UCAT cause
> > performance problems? If so, does anyone have any stories to tell regarding
> > this.
>
> It depend
>Good practice would be to verify that the IO, and that the time spent doing
>it, to the catalog is actually low, rather than thinking that it is low
because someone a few thousand km away told you it is :-)
I did say do some analysis first, before you start doing the work.
The last time I did
> 3. It rather does not depend on number of aliases. BTW: The number is
> limited (by the filed in MCAT), but the limit is quite big (several
> hundreds AFAIR).
>
-- Several thousands in fact.
-- The sum of the lengths of all aliases cannot exceed 32300.
Haven't seen where anyone's mentioned t
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:20:00 -0600, Darth Keller
wrote:
>> 3. It rather does not depend on number of aliases. BTW: The number is
>> limited (by the filed in MCAT), but the limit is quite big (several
>> hundreds AFAIR).
>>
>
>-- Several thousands in fact.
>-- The sum of the lengths of all aliase
John -
Thanks for the update on the 4GB limit for catalogs. I had not seen this
yet & it's definitely good to hear that it's finally going to be resolved.
As for your other points, it appears to me that we are in complete
agreement.
>-- Haven't seen where anyone's mentioned that catalogs ar
W dniu 2010-02-18 16:20, Darth Keller pisze:
3. It rather does not depend on number of aliases. BTW: The number is
limited (by the filed in MCAT), but the limit is quite big (several
hundreds AFAIR).
-- Several thousands in fact.
-- The sum of the lengths of all aliases cannot exceed 32300.
H
Radoslaw,
I agree with you totally on this.
While I have been making the point that you should check that a single UCAT
is not a bottleneck, I believe that spreading applications across many UCAT
works against high availability. The more moving parts you have, the greater
the number of things tha
>2. It depends on datasets activity. In fact catalog is usually used
> at file open and close.
I may well display my ignorace, anyway: It is my understanding that
the catalog is only accessed at allocation time to find the volume
that data set resides on. VSAM data sets being an exeption sin
"John Laubenheimer" wrote in message
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> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:20:00 -0600, Darth Keller
> wrote:
>
> >> 3. It rather does not depend on number of aliases. BTW: The number
is
> >> limited (by the filed in MCAT), but the limit is quite big (several
> >> hundreds AFAIR).
> >>
> >
> >--
>-- You also want to consider recoverability issues - if all your
production
>-- aliases are in one catalog and there's a catalog error (and they do
still
>-- happen), this could result in ALL of your production applications
being
>-- down. One might argue increasing the # of catalogs increase
W dniu 2010-02-19 17:34, Darth Keller pisze:
[...]
Yes, I need all my applications to be available too and by separating them
into more than one catalog I decrease the likelyhood that 1 broken catalog
impacts all applications.
My point is that if I have my applications separated into different
c
I have a running z/OS 1.7 system with two user catalogs attached to the
master catalog. Call the first A and the second B. Catalog B has all the tape
entries I want. How can I get all the tapes entries in catalog B into catalog
A.
When I am done I do not want any of the original catalog A tape
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> Is the repro mergecat process disruptive to
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:12:46 -0400, Mark Jacobs
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>Is the repro mergecat process disruptive to the source catalog? Does the
>answer change if the source catalog is the system master catalog/
>
Extremely! It moves catalog entries and also switches VVDS affiliations. The
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:12:46 -0400, Mark Jacobs
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>Is the repro mergecat process disruptive to the source catalog? Does the
>answer change if the source catalog is the system master catalog/
>
Yes it is. Mergecat moves the entries from the source catalog to the target.
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:12:46 -0400, Mark Jacobs wrote:
>
>Our master catalog was defined with the imbed/replication options and we are
>looking at the best way to migrate to a new catalog without the attributes.
>
RTFM Managing Catalogs. There is a section on changing the size of a catalog
that
, April 19, 2007 3:13 PM
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Is the repro mergecat process disruptive to the source catalog? Does the
answer change if the source catalog is the system master catalog/
Our master catalog was defined with the imbed/replication options and we
are
looking at
Mark Jacobs wrote:
Is the repro mergecat process disruptive to the source catalog? Does the
answer change if the source catalog is the system master catalog/
Our master catalog was defined with the imbed/replication options and we are
looking at the best way to migrate to a new catalog without
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Mark,
I am assuming that all systems in the plex are using the same mastercat.
Check
>I looked at the manual and it seems like it says I can
>do a repro nomergecat. Change the master catalog option
>in iplparm, ipl and go.
Before you proceed with this:
-Run a complete set of DIAGNOSEs (catalogue all VVDSes)
and cleanup/ address any discrepancies.
-Make sure all volumes that have
Mark Jacobs wrote:
Thanks for the pointer. I looked at the manual and it seems like it says
I can do a repro nomergecat. Change the master catalog option in
iplparm, ipl and go.
We can manage any updates in the master catalog(s) until all systems are
reipled.
Do you read it the same way I do?
I've found that the easiest and safest way is to stick to the alias', just
like the servpac creates.
Jack Kelly
LA Systems @ US Courts
x 202-502-2390
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:50:10 -0600, Daniel McLaughlin wrote:
>We're starting to test 1.7, have 1.4 in production and on our sandbox. I
>want to be able to use some HLQs that are in the 1.4 mastercat so I can
>get to my OEM stuff on 1.7. I'm not ready for the mergecat step just yet,
>at least I don
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I've been digging in the archives, haven't hit this yet.
We're starting to test 1.7, have 1.4 in production and on our sandbox. I
want to b
I have to agree with Don. If something needs to be in the linklist or
LPA list, I try to find another way. For instance, in the LINKLIST, I'll
refer to the dataset with a vol-ser reference. I don't recall ever
having something that needed to be in the LPALIST, so I'm unsure how to
handle that s
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> I have to agree with Don. If s
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Thanks, John
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Second, you can avoid this issue in the future by abandoning the process
of building a new master catalog for each new release of the operating
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Second, you can avoid this issue in the future by abandoning the process
of building a new master catalog for each new release of the operating
system.
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I actually like building a new catalogue for each release. The only
thing in my mastcat is system required VSAM, IBM supplied datasets, OEM
datasets which are required in mastcat, and usercats/aliases for
everything else. When I build the new cat, I use a homegrown COBOL
program that reads a
>And in our case, (just getting ready to install 1.7 into production)
>we went from mod3 to mod 9 volumes for our opsystem packs.
>I don't see how you can easily get away with not building a new master
>catalog.
The way I did it:
&SYSR2 = &SYSR1
&SYSR3 = &SYSR1
(via IEASYMxx setup for a new mod
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:58:02 -0500, Jakubek, Jan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>And in our case, (just getting ready to install 1.7 into production)
>>we went from mod3 to mod 9 volumes for our opsystem packs.
>>I don't see how you can easily get away with not building a new master
>>catalog.
>
>The
>I have to reorg some USER CATS because they contain the IMBED parm.
You shouldn't have to for z/OS 1.8, nor should you put it on your critical path
for implemementation.
Yes, support for IMBED is going away, but existing datasets don't fail, under
any release of z/OS, yet (unless I've missed an
On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 06:45 -0800, willie bunter wrote:
> We will be implementing Z/OS 1.8 soon. I have to reorg some USER CATS
Oh, and lest I forget: you may want to disable autotuning, which has had
problems in z/OS 1.8. (Has IBM fixed this yet? I haven't been paying
attention.)
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On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 06:45 -0800, willie bunter wrote:
> My question is should I need to code the CISIZE parm (CISIZE 28672
> which is being used in the current USER CAT) or is the system default
> of 4096 sufficient?
At the Tampa SHARE, Eileen McClintock gave a "Tuning Techniques for
Catalogs"
Thanks John.
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> Thanks to all who r
Thanks to all who responded. Last question, I compared the PRODUCTION USER CAT
against my TEST USER CAT and I noticed in the LISTCAT of the PRODUCTION verison
it had the TEMP-EXP but it did not show in the LISTCAT of my TEST USER CAT.
Should there be reason for concern?
David Andrews <[EMAIL
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Thanks to all who responded. Last question, I compared the PRODUCTION USER CAT against my TEST USER CAT and I noticed in the LISTCAT of the PRODUCTION verison it had the TEMP-EXP but it did not show in the LISTCAT of my TEST USER CAT. Should there be r
If the entries can be identified by a high level qualifier or two, IDCAMS
MERGECAT will do this for you. Just remember to update the alias in the master
catalog pointing to UCAT.A so that it now relates to UCAT.B.
REPRO INDATASET ( ICF.UCAT.A ) -
OUTDATASET ( ICF.UCAT.B ) -
LEVEL
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:16:28 -0500, Larry Crilley
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I was thinking along the same lines. Do you have any vendor tools? The
>T-REX LISTCAT can scan a catalog, look for TAPE entries only, and build
>IDCAMS DEFINE, DELETE, or DELETE NOSCRATCH cards. In your case, you woul
rmat
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:16:28 -0500, Larry Crilley
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot
>I would use something like MCNVTCAT (which I still have a copy of) or the
>REXX version of it from the CBT (RCNVTCAT) to dump both catalogs and
>message the tape entry output from cat a into IDCAMS DELETE NSCR
~~~
massage <
>cards and delete everything but the IDCAMS DEFINE NVSAM tape
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:09:03 -0600, Peter Ten Eyck
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>I have a running z/OS 1.7 system with two user catalogs attached to the
>master catalog. Call the first A and the second B. Catalog B has all the tape
>entries I want. How can I get all the tapes entries in catalog B in
Zelden
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:09:03 -0600, Peter Ten Eyck
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>I have a running z/OS 1.7 system with two user catalogs attached to the
>master catalog. Call
Something needs to delete the entry from cat A first. The OP stated there are
entries for tape devices in both catalogs and he does not want the original A
entries. He wasn't clear if there would be other A entries not in B that he
wants to keep. If not, then he must first delete all tape entrie
Thanks for your replies. I am now just getting back to this problem.
My previous posts within my user catalog question were me asking how to do
something, let me now tell you why I am asking.
I ran into this problem at DR.
I import a user a catalog (CATALOG.MVSICF1.VUSRCAT) and connect it to
blem.
My previous posts within my user catalog question were me asking how to do
something, let me now tell you why I am asking.
I ran into this problem at DR.
I import a user a catalog (CATALOG.MVSICF1.VUSRCAT) and connect it to a
master catalog on a different z/OS system. On this different system
Blair Svihra wrote:
Is there a mount message on the console (LISTCAT looking for VVRs in
the VVDS's on unavailable volumes)?
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Only if you have eligible mountable devices. (3330's? )
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straight-forward error message and processing
continues with the next catalog entry. This only seems to occur for
VSAM datasets.
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Thanks for your replies
There is no message on the console.
In the log of the job, there are messages for VSAM data sets problems.
I can summarize in the follow way:
How much DASD volume checking happens during a listct? We know that the
VVDS on a given volume is referenced for a VSAM data set listcat. What else?
Wh
Good Morning Gentle Readers,
I am working on a problem regarding a TSO alias which was not created but for
some unexplicable reason I find about 15 dsns have been cataloged in the MCAT.
My question is how can I fix this problem - have the dsns created in the proper
UCAT. I looked at the
Please ignore my question about the alias count permitted in a USER CAT.
Rick Adams had posted that in his comments. Sorry, I missed reading it.
My apologies and thanks again to all
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The best way to resolve this issue is to do the following:
1) Make sure the type of data set (VSAM vs. NON VSAM). If you have VSAM
cataloged in the MCAT you will need to work a little harder.
2) Uncatalog all of the NON Vsam data sets in the Master Cat
3) Build the Alias for the HLQ
4) Reca
Ernie,
> Good Morning Gentle Readers,
>
> I am working on a problem regarding a TSO alias which was not
> created but for some unexplicable reason I find about 15 dsns have
> been cataloged in the MCAT. My question is how can I fix this
> problem - have the dsns created in the proper UCAT. I
You would need to define the alias after moving the entries out of the
master catalog. You will probably get an IDC3009I 8-8 "duplicate entry"
(on the alias define) if you already have data sets residing in the
master catalog that begin with the alias.
Blair Svihra
Dino-Software Corp.
* *
> From: esmie moo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> My plan is to define the alias in the proper UCAT and then execute the
> following jcl.
> //STEP1EXEC PGM=IDCAMS,REGION=2048K,TIME=1440
> //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
> //SYSINDD *
> REPRO
/*
Michael Saraco
Systems Consultant
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CATALOG QUESTION - CORRECT AN ALIAS PROBLEM
Good Morning Gentle Readers,
I am working on a problem regarding a TSO alias which was not created
but fo
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Ernie,
> Good Morning Gentle Readers,
>
> I am working on a problem regarding a TSO alias which was not
> created but for some unexplicable reason I find about 15 dsns have
> been cataloged in the MCAT. My quest
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