Guy Gardoit pisze:
Still a lot less than rack after rack of Windows servers, so who cares?!
I don't care. We don't have power constraints in Poland (at least not
as strong as in U.S.). Power consumption is probably the last factor to
consider when choosing IT platform/solution.
However I d
>Still a lot less than rack after rack of Windows servers, so who cares?!
Anybody who is at/near the limit of the capacity of the shop, local grid,
MG-set, or battery power.
It doesn't matter what the technology is you are running off of if you are
running out of power capacity.
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Too busy driv
Still a lot less than rack after rack of Windows servers, so who cares?!
Guy Gardoit
z/OS Systems Programming
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:10 AM, R.S. wrote:
> Hal Merritt pisze:
>
>> I seem to recall a variable is the ambient temperature. That is, the z/10
>> blowers may consume more power in a wa
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Hal Merritt pisze:
I seem to recall a variable is the ambient temperature. That is, the z/10 blowers may consume more power in a warm room than an equivalent z/9.
Could this be a factor?
No, it couldn't My observation was done when two machines were in the
same room, very close one to othe
http://www-01.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/
There you logon your service link id and password ( or you register for one )
click on tools ( on the left)
then click on "power estimation tool" on the page
Bruno Sugliani
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http://zxnetconsult.free.fr
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The link (minding the wrap) does not work for me.
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Bruno Sugliani
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:41 AM
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You may run
2009/4/29 Eric Bielefeld :
> I remember IBM used to advertise the MP3000 that we had at P&H Mining as
> taking less power than a coffee pot.
It does. It is rated at 1.32 kVA (per frame), and I measured it (a P30
with full DASD) at 850 W . You can't always directly compare kVA to W
because of a p
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:32:04 -0500, Hal Merritt wrote:
>I seem to recall a variable is the ambient temperature. That is, the z/10
blowers may consume more power in a warm room than an equivalent z/9.
>
>Could this be a factor?
>
Nope
I don't think so
The estimation tool allows you to enter the
You may run the simulation yourself on the following URL
https://www-01.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/hom03010.nsf/pages/powerestimationmain?OpenDocument
( watch the wrap)
The simulation confirms what Radoslaw saw in real life.
The amount of BTU/hours is also increasing
Bruno Sugliani
zxnetconsu
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:15 AM
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Subject: Re: Slightly off topic power limits
I thought that in general the newer the z box, the less power consumption.
Obviously, as in Radoslaw's case, that is not so. I wonder if the power
consumption of the z/10 is higher
.
Eric
Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Eric Bielefeld pisze:
Radoslaw,
Di
Richard Peurifoy pisze:
R.S. wrote:
This is NOT nameplate rating, this is current utilisation! In this
*real* case z10 consumer approx. 50% more power for the same number of
MIPS. It's not nameplate, not theory, not sales presentation, this is
measured reality.
Who's "MIPS", marketing "MI
R.S. wrote:
This is NOT nameplate rating, this is current utilisation! In this
*real* case z10 consumer approx. 50% more power for the same number of
MIPS. It's not nameplate, not theory, not sales presentation, this is
measured reality.
Who's "MIPS", marketing "MIPS" don't really match th
Eric Bielefeld pisze:
Radoslaw,
Did you or someone at your shop talk to IBM about this? What did IBM say?
About what?
What response should I expect?
I had no promise the power consumption will decrease, the only thing I
could expect was green plastic tube at the doors.
--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Radoslaw,
Did you or someone at your shop talk to IBM about this? What did IBM say?
Eric
Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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From: "R.S."
This is NOT nameplate rating, this is current utilisation! In this
*real* case z10
Tony Harminc pisze:
2009/4/27 R.S. :
Slightly on topic:
I had an occasion to compare two "z" machines: old z9 and new z10. Very
similar in MIPS, channels, memory configuration.
Power consumption as shown by HMC
Old blue z9: 4kW
New green z10: 6 kW.
So, replacing old equipment with new "green" o
2009/4/27 R.S. :
> Slightly on topic:
> I had an occasion to compare two "z" machines: old z9 and new z10. Very
> similar in MIPS, channels, memory configuration.
>
> Power consumption as shown by HMC
> Old blue z9: 4kW
> New green z10: 6 kW.
> So, replacing old equipment with new "green" one resul
>Forgot to mention, building and fire codes.
We had a fire code issue when ESCON first came out.
We needed to run some cables to a locale a couple of hundred metres away from a
cabinet.
The ceiling was the logical route, but the cables had not been certified as
'plenum safe/capable', and even
Gonna be interesting how this shakes out.
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Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:02 PM
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Subject: Re: Power Capacity Planning (was Slightly off topic power limits)
>Imagine, if you can, the hair-pulling and teeth gnashing if the little-server
>boys had to jump through the same hoops!
They're going to have to, eventually.
In today's economic climate, power is becoming a limited commodity.
We had a problem, a few years ago, where HP was not able to deliver s
>It is not anti business.
>There is a shortage of local power generation because no one wants one built
>in their back yard, and a shortage of long haul power distribution lines for
>the same reason.
Ontario is having the same problem with nuclear/wind power.
NIMBYism rules!
And, since most
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Hal Merritt
>
> It is not anti business.
>
> There is a shortage of local power generation because no one wants one
built in their back yard, and a
> shortage of long haul power distribution lines for the same reason.
In a message dated 4/28/2009 12:56:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
rfocht...@ync.net writes:
Saw it happen once and it's NOT a very pretty sight. Just glad I wasn't
in charge of the planning, etc.
>>
Seen a few raised floors buckle. Made us buy extra supports for 3090
then didn't use them
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They're not as prevalent as they once were, but each IBM branch has (or
has access to) an Environmental specialist. They're a good resource and
will assist as much as you can stand. Power, HVAC, water, ventilation,
loading, f
--
Getting back to the comment about the proliferation of ( usually wintel)
single application servers. In my experience, this occurred because
different business units liked having and controlling their own
server(s),
Behalf Of
Eric Bielefeld
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Subject: Re: Slightly off topic power limits
I was just thinking how anti business the power limits imposed by PG&E are.
I'm not sure if the limits are being imposed because of being on a fault
In a message dated 4/28/2009 8:28:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
tad...@cvps.com writes:
So yes capacity planners need to be concerned with power. And don't
forget your HVAC capacity.
>>
They're not as prevalent as they once were, but each IBM branch has
(or has access to) an Environmen
In article
you
write:
>Philip Steele ( die before I said I miss z/VM)
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concerned with power. And don't
forget your HVAC capacity.
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Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:54 PM
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Getting back to the comment about the proliferation of ( usually wintel)
single application servers. In my experience, this occurred because
different business units liked having and controlling their own
server(s), and individually each little server was not very power hungry
anyway. Not like that
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:01:21 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
>>If it comes down to not being able to use a small amount more of power, that
>>shows poor planning.
>
>Yes, but you're talking ideal world.
>
>> Either because the power company didn't build more capacity, or because the
>> groups regulati
>If it comes down to not being able to use a small amount more of power, that
>shows poor planning.
Yes, but you're talking ideal world.
> Either because the power company didn't build more capacity, or because the
> groups regulating new power plants make it impossible. I don't think
> busin
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Subject: Re: Power Capacity Planning (was Slightly off topic power limits)
What happens if the government/power company doesn't 'cap' power
consumption, the data centre uses 'too much'
>I agree with everything you say, but I still think that limiting a
>datacenter's power capacity is anti business.
>When limits are set by government, or in this case the power company, business
>tends to look at relocating their business to somewhere where those limits
>don't exist, or the over
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Subject: Power Capacity Planning (was Slightly off topic power limits)
Eric,
I think the point here is that for years data centers have proliferated
servers that are single application and low utilization. This has
driven their
man
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> Subje
Slightly on topic:
I had an occasion to compare two "z" machines: old z9 and new z10. Very
similar in MIPS, channels, memory configuration.
Power consumption as shown by HMC
Old blue z9: 4kW
New green z10: 6 kW.
So, replacing old equipment with new "green" one resulted in increase of
power con
ing a new plant now.
Eric
Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
414-475-7434
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Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:40 PM
Subject: Slightly off topic power limits
I di
Approximately a year (and a half?) ago I had read an article about new data
centers were capped at x amount of power and or the power company said "NO".
I am not 100 percent certain this is the same case (or a different one) but it
seemed like it was close to the item I had read.
I
The EU...yeah right. One part of the New World Order.
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In a few years you have to say my 0.03 euro cent.
Welcome in european union.
Roland
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John,
As
John,
As you know, we're in Europe.
We're always been. Poland as a country is dated 966 AD.
We're also in European Union. For two years.
However we use our own currency which is probably not well known in U.S.
(majority of list members is from U.S.).
Last but not least, here in Poland we say "my
r than a
apartment.
If you can go 1099 it even better.
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My position is going away. It
My $0.02 ?? Are you in Europe or not??
> Some opinions:
> 1. I would *never* change my job for $1 more. Even 10% more. Even 20%
> more. I would start to think about the change at higher raise. It's not
> theory, I refused several times to such offerings.
> IMHO if you want to change the job for $
esday, May 30, 2006 3:15 PM
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My position is going away. It's not a question of if, but when. I've had
a couple of interviews this past week. One place is about 3.5 hours away
and the other is 2.5 hours away. Both places wanted to kn
Some opinions:
1. I would *never* change my job for $1 more. Even 10% more. Even 20%
more. I would start to think about the change at higher raise. It's not
theory, I refused several times to such offerings.
IMHO if you want to change the job for $1 more, then you don't like it.
It is worth so
o ask your boss how much he
loves you and for how long...then check if he's
looking at his shoes.
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In a message dated 5/31/2006 12:57:43 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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Hmph. If you wanted something like that, that close to Chicago, bring a
coupla million bux at least
>>
One of my more eclectic friends yelled at me yesterday. She'd just flown in
from Austin
: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:57 PM
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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Petersen, Jim
>
> I recently switched jobs. Not because I had to but because I
> was offered an 11% raise o
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>
> I recently switched jobs. Not because I had to but because I
> was offered an 11% raise over my previous employer. I was
> driving 52 miles to my previous employer so thought it
> wouldn't be that
this message
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Richard,
I think most states are "at will" employment sta
Richard,
I think most states are "at will" employment states. Basically, unless you
have a contract, your employment can be terminated for any reason by the
employer. By the same token, you can quit at any time also. I know
Wisconsin is an "at will" state.
I have thought a lot about where
Obviously we have both been down the same path, buyouts, mergers, and RIF's.
As a side note, I was asked to complete the customary job applications, one of
which stated that employment was covered by the "at will" clause of employment.
Thanks to all for their opinions and suggestions!
>>> [E
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Richard Pinion
>
> My position is going away. It's not a question of if, but
> when. I've had a couple of interviews this past week. One
> place is about 3.5 hours away and the other is 2.5 hours
> away. Both pl
In a message dated 5/30/2006 5:41:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>For the record, I love my job, love my employer, and am
>permanently committed to them, unless the company
>across the street offers me $1.00 more.
My, my. It sounds as if you are just about as loy
In a message dated 5/30/2006 2:46:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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>Both places wanted to know my plans for
>relocating. Both times I said I wanted to keep my house and rent an
>apartment close to the place of work. I definitely got the impression
>thay was no
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>The employer may be looking for 24x7 on-call, weekend upgrades, etc.
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>I believe employers see the unwillingness to move as a lack of long term
>commitment to the new job.
If that is the case, I believe employers are sticking their collective noses
where they don't belong!
It is not any of their business where I live except for HR requirements and
on-call respo
esday, May 30, 2006 3:41 PM
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And I can appreciate that position very much. What about your employer,
does it have difficulty attracting people to North Wilksboro? It's not
exactly a metopolis. Personally, I'd prefer a place like
Subject: RE: Slightly off topic
I would treat a question like this as a separation of church and state.
If the employer is not paying for it, then I would answer it like 'I
would find something close to work'
They don't need to know anymore personal information than required by
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My position is going away. It&#x
My position is going away. It's not a question of if, but when. I've had
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