Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Scott Chapman
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USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread Uwe Oswald
Hi, I dont know if this is the right forum but I hope someone could help anyway. I want to subtract one day from the actual date with one USS unix command. The actual date I get via date +%Y%m%d (for example 20130314), but date +%Y%m%d-1 or ...yesterday don’t work. I have tried everything

Re: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread Kirk Wolf
(for example 20130314), but date +%Y%m%d-1 or ...yesterday don’t work. I have tried everything without success. Does anybody have a tip for me? It must be achieved within one command not more. Thx Uwe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe

Re: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread John McKown
the actual date with one USS unix command. The actual date I get via date +%Y%m%d (for example 20130314), but date +%Y%m%d-1 or ...yesterday don’t work. I have tried everything without success. Does anybody have a tip for me? It must be achieved within one command not more. Thx Uwe

Re: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread John Gilmore
Uwe, You can package anything as your own 'single' command, but the only sensible way to do what you want to do is to convert your year-month-day Gregorian-calendar date into a day number, subtract one, and convert the difference back into a year-month-day value. There are library routines that

Re: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread Rafal Hanzel ZETO Katowice
. The actual date I get via date +%Y%m%d (for example 20130314), but date +%Y%m%d-1 or ...yesterday don’t work. I have tried everything without success. Does anybody have a tip for me? It must be achieved within one command not more. Thx Uwe

CATALOG QUESTION

2013-03-14 Thread willie bunter
Hallo Members,   I am trying to find out who or what is using a usercat.  I issued the /F CATALOG,ALLOCATED and it shows that it is allocated.   Is there something or command I can issue to see who or what is using the catalog?   Thanks.

Re: CATALOG QUESTION

2013-03-14 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
It will probably be allocated to the Catalog Address Space, because it has been needed in the past. If you want to know for whom that was, you could check smf14/15/17 for dataset access and smf6x for catalog updates, but you will never find simple catalog locate requests. Kees. -Original

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread zMan
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Ed Finnell efinnel...@aol.com wrote: Bon jour! We actually prosecuted a group of students who had managed to overlay the weekly backup tapes with garbage and hoped for a 'squirrel event'. They came perilously close... I don't mind looking dumb: what's a

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread John McKown
I think that squirrel event refers to a number of times that the IBM-MAIN listserv went down due to a suicidal squirrel throwing itself onto a transformer, causing a massive power surge, which cause a catastrophic event in the computer center. On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:45 AM, zMan

MSTJCL00 - Resizing IEFJOBS dataset

2013-03-14 Thread Andrew Metcalfe
Folks I need to resize the dataset currently defined on IEFJOBS in MSTJCL00. It is single extent PDS and is now too small for our purposes. I have RTFM and cannot see any restrictions about extents or resizing in flight. I was concerned that maybe start/end bounds were cached somewhere. I have

Re: CATALOG QUESTION

2013-03-14 Thread Staller, Allan
You could try d u,,alloc,ucbaddr,1 for the volume that contains the usercat. Replace ucbaddr with the device address for the ucat. You can make an educated guess from the results. HTH, snip I am trying to find out who or what is using a usercat.  I issued the /F CATALOG,ALLOCATED and it shows

Re: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
John McKown wrote: What I do is use REXX. A UNIX REXX shell script is rather easy: Agreed. REXX can do things an achieve results in one single command line. Use the pipe thing to send and receive keywords/parms to different commands. /* rexx */ today=date('b') /* today's date in base form */

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Darth Keller
Back in the bad old days, we had a squirrel event - one of the crafty little devils actually managed to crawl into a power transformer. pffft . . . . zap! BANG!! ddk I don't mind looking dumb: what's a squirrel event? Sounds like something Macy's would

Re: SMS QUESTION

2013-03-14 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
John, Are there any volumes with status Quinew in the pool you're having a problem with? Do you have a 'spill' pool defined? If you Quinew one or more volumes, you'll find that over time these will have a greater amount of freespace than the rest of the pool thereby allowing allocations that

Re: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread Steve Comstock
On 3/14/2013 7:10 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: John McKown wrote: What I do is use REXX. A UNIX REXX shell script is rather easy: Agreed. REXX can do things an achieve results in one single command line. Use the pipe thing to send and receive keywords/parms to different commands. /*

Re: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:13:11 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote: I was thinking that another path might be to write a shell script in REXX and use the Unix syscalls. But the one you really need, mktime(), isn't listed in the Using REXX with Unix System Services. Pity, that would have been quite doable.

Re: CATALOG QUESTION

2013-03-14 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 05:34:55 -0700, willie bunter wrote: I am trying to find out who or what is using a usercat. I issued the /F CATALOG,ALLOCATED and it shows that it is allocated. Is there something or command I can issue to see who or what is using the catalog? GRS can tell you who has it.

AW: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread Uwe Oswald
if this is the right forum but I hope someone could help anyway. I want to subtract one day from the actual date with one USS unix command. The actual date I get via date +%Y%m%d (for example 20130314), but date +%Y%m%d-1 or ...yesterday don’t work. I have tried everything without success. Does anybody have

Re: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Steve Comstock wrote: If you're coding in C, Assembler, COBOL, or PL/I, you can use the Language Environment date functions, which can do what you want pretty simply. It is pretty easy indeed. I have done that in REXX and COBOL to test out date/time functions before and after we converted to

Re: CATALOG QUESTION

2013-03-14 Thread willie bunter
Tom,   Thanks for the tip.  Thanks to all readers who responded to my post. From: Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 9:24:58 AM Subject: Re: CATALOG QUESTION On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 05:34:55 -0700,

Re: SMS QUESTION

2013-03-14 Thread John Dawes
David,   I checked.  There are no volumes in QUINEW status.   There is no overflow pool defined for this storage group.  I will heed your suggestion about having the overflow volumes.  This will be a great help.   Thanks again. From: O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT)

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:47:06 -0400, Gabe Goldberg wrote: I'm writing about Back to the Future for mainframers -- historic (but sometimes forgotten) mainframe lessons needed by and best-to-be learned by new mainframers (but everyone, really). Don't underestimate the future. The Y2K crisis might

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-14 Thread Todd Arnold
IBM had three channel-attached crypto units for the mainframes. 1977 – IBM 3845 DES encryption unit 1979 – IBM 3848 DES encryption unit - faster than the 3845, and added Triple-DES (yes, IBM already had Triple-DES in its products in 1979!) 1989 – IBM Transaction Security System (TSS) which

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread zMan
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote: Don't underestimate the future. The Y2K crisis might have been mitigated if more designers had said, Hey, pretty soon we're going to need 4-digit years. Let's provide them now. I made such a suggestion for a product

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Joel C. Ewing
Ah yes, the not-so-good pre-UPS days when even a fraction-of-a-second power interruption could take down an entire DP center. I recall the utility workers describing at least one roasted squirrel event and even one roasted large-bird event that affected our transformer's HV feed, although

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:25:49 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: How many programmers are still using 31-bit branch instructions rather than 64 because z/OS doesn't support execution above the bar? This year. AFAIK there are no differences in the branch instructions for 64-bit addresses. Perhaps you

Re: Secure Encryption Keys vs Protected Keys

2013-03-14 Thread Todd Arnold
I just discovered this discussion group, and I thought I'd add a little bit of information to the discussion. I am a lead architect in development of the IBM crypto coprocessors (Crypto Express, etc), and in design of the CCA architecture and its verbs. I also happen to have been deeply

Re: What is the justification for not using Trusted Key Entry (TKE) workstation?

2013-03-14 Thread Todd Arnold
TKE is definitely more secure than the TSO panels. Furthermore, standards that are mandatory for some applications (particularly banking) make the TSO approach unacceptable. Those standards say that you are not allowed to have any cleartext key parts pass through any unprotected

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes: Don't underestimate the future. The Y2K crisis might have been mitigated if more designers had said, Hey, pretty soon we're going to need 4-digit years. Let's provide them now. I made such a suggestion for a product we were working on in 1987.

DS6800 problem (?)

2013-03-14 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi In some previous message I have described that , we are moving now from the zDASD storage system to DS6800. We have a relative large number of volumes (140) , so we decided to move via DFSDD COPY all the volumes to the proper new addresses. It worked for every volume, except the z/OS

Re: DS6800 problem (?)

2013-03-14 Thread David Devine
Hi Miklos, Some quick questions:- (a) did you have purge coded in the sysin of your dfdss copy decks? (b) did you copy the ipl volumes when their system was down ? (via another lpar) (c) did you copy the source volume to a target with exactly the same cylinder count? (d) you mention message

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Gerhard Adam
The Y2K crisis might have been mitigated if more designers had said, Hey, pretty soon we're going to need 4-digit years. Let's provide them now. In fairness, there wasn't a Y2K crisis as much as it was Y2K procrastination. Everyone was aware of this problem from the mid-70's on, but there was

Re: AW: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread Joel C. Ewing
dont know if this is the right forum but I hope someone could help anyway. I want to subtract one day from the actual date with one USS unix command. The actual date I get via date +%Y%m%d (for example 20130314), but date +%Y%m%d-1 or ...yesterday don’t work. I have tried everything without

Re: Speed up DASD copy

2013-03-14 Thread David Devine
Hello, further to this query and the oddity of Optimize being tolerated for dfdss full copy but not documented, i emailed one of the guys who present's the What's new in dss share sessions asking for clarifcation and they were kind enough to send on to R D who gave the response. Here's

Re: AW: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread Mark Zelden
If you do it in REXX, as already mentioned, the DATE builtin function can convert between most formats (not all). It's has that ability since OS/390 2.4. If you don't like that you can use the RDATE or RDATEF (called as a function) from my web site or CBT file 434. It has it's own base

Re: Speed up DASD copy

2013-03-14 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Thank you Dave. Disturb me a little the code is not fully developed sentence, but we are now over the big copy(140 volumes with 3 errors) . Thank you again . On 14.03.2013 17:32, David Devine wrote: Hello, further to this query and the oddity of Optimize being tolerated for dfdss full copy

Re: AW: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:15:20 -0500, Joel C. Ewing wrote: If date under z/OZ UNIX supports the same parameters, then date +%Y%m%d --date=1 day ago which today on Fedora returns 20130313 may be the form you need. I believe that any option introduced by two hyphens is a GNUism; not POSIX; not

Re: AW: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread Sri h Kolusu
If you are planning to perform the date arithmetic on z/OS then DFSORT has many Date arithmetic functions that can add/subtract days, months and years from any given date. If you just want the current date-1 when you can use DATE1-1 //STEP0100 EXEC PGM=SORT //SYSOUT DD SYSOUT=* //SORTIN DD

Re: AW: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:38:02 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: If you do it in REXX, as already mentioned, the DATE builtin function can convert between most formats (not all). It's has that ability since OS/390 2.4. If you don't like that you can use the RDATE or RDATEF (called as a function)

AW: AW: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread Uwe Oswald
. The actual date I get via date +%Y%m%d (for example 20130314), but date +%Y%m%d-1 or ...yesterday don’t work. I have tried everything without success. Does anybody have a tip for me? It must be achieved within one command not more. Thx Uwe -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Ed Finnell
Yup, think Darren even posted it(after we came back up). Also had a Gray rat snake event trying to get to the squirrels. Can't complain too much. The last one finally pushed the funding for full UPS backup to the top of the queue. Where it had been for 19 years! In a message dated

Re: DS6800 problem (?)

2013-03-14 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 03/14/2013 10:36 AM, Miklos Szigetvari wrote: Hi In some previous message I have described that , we are moving now from the zDASD storage system to DS6800. We have a relative large number of volumes (140) , so we decided to move via DFSDD COPY all the volumes to the proper new addresses.

Re: AW: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread zMan
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Uwe Oswald uwe.osw...@zit-consulting.comwrote: Thank you for all your hints and tips but I need just one command without an additional script or similar since I need this for different customers. I'd never tell someone You don't want to do it that way, do it

Re: AW: AW: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread Joel C. Ewing
usunięcie jej z komputera. W dniu 14.03.2013 12:54, Uwe Oswald napisał(a): Hi, I dont know if this is the right forum but I hope someone could help anyway. I want to subtract one day from the actual date with one USS unix command. The actual date I get via date +%Y%m%d (for example 20130314

z890 into the Plex (Compliance w/z10 CF and z9 and up members?)

2013-03-14 Thread Patrick Falcone
Argh...I can't find this. I'm sure it's out there, somewhere. If someone has a link I'd be grateful.       Is there a hardware compliance restriction with bringing a z890 into a plex w/z10 CF @ CF16 with z9 and up members?           TIA...

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Ed Gould
Gil, Just remember in the olden days that bytes cost money (either in storage or in memory). I actually had to work on a software set of programs (system) that stripped the sign off of all dates and money they were assumed to be positive). Ed On Mar 14, 2013, at 9:25 AM, Paul Gilmartin

Re: z890 into the Plex (Compliance w/z10 CF and z9 and up members?)

2013-03-14 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
I have a z890 in a plex with z10 and z9 - forget off hand my CFCC code level. Jerry Whitteridge Lead Systems Programmer Safeway Inc. 925 951 4184 If you feel in control you just aren't going fast enough. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: AW: AW: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread Joel C. Ewing
. The actual date I get via date +%Y%m%d (for example 20130314), but date +%Y%m%d-1 or ...yesterday don’t work. I have tried everything without success. Does anybody have a tip for me? It must be achieved within one command not more. Thx Uwe -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew

Re: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread Rafal Hanzel ZETO Katowice
14.03.2013 12:54, Uwe Oswald napisał(a): Hi, I dont know if this is the right forum but I hope someone could help anyway. I want to subtract one day from the actual date with one USS unix command. The actual date I get via date +%Y%m%d (for example 20130314), but date +%Y%m%d-1 or ...yesterday

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Ed Gould
Joel: I worked a DC in downtown Chicago in the 70's and 80's and we were supposedly 24X7 shop. We had power problems+ and we could not afford a UPS in fact at the time we would have needed a HUGE UPS to get us through power outages. I guess these were intermittent rather than lengthy.

Re: USS date command, subtract one day

2013-03-14 Thread Kirk Wolf
See the little c program below that displays dates after applying your favorite offset. mktime() and strftime() do all of the heavy lifting. example: * dateoff -d -1 -h -1 %Y/%m/%d %H:%M:%S * 2013/03/13 14:20:33 (display the local time

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Jim Mulder
How many programmers are still using 31-bit branch instructions rather than 64 because z/OS doesn't support execution above the bar? This year. z/OS 1.13 does support execution above the bar (with significant restrictions on how to get code loaded there, and very few services which document

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Jim Mulder
Indeed -- look at CCWs: if they'd put the flags in the reserved byte instead, we'd only have needed one format! (Well, until there's 64-bit I/O, anyway). 64-bit I/O has been supported since the beginning of z/Architecture via 64-bit IDAWs, and subsequently via MIDAWs. Jim Mulder z/OS

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:43:31 -0400, Jim Mulder d10j...@us.ibm.com wrote: z/OS 1.13 does support execution above the bar (with significant restrictions on how to get code loaded there, and very few services which document support for being invoked from there). Why does that use of support

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Phil Smith III
Ed Gould wrote: Just remember in the olden days that bytes cost money (either in storage or in memory). I actually had to work on a software set of programs (system) that stripped the sign off of all dates and money they were assumed to be positive). Right, S/360 memory was a buck a byte (at

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
edgould1...@comcast.net (Ed Gould) writes: I worked a DC in downtown Chicago in the 70's and 80's and we were supposedly 24X7 shop. We had power problems+ and we could not afford a UPS in fact at the time we would have needed a HUGE UPS to get us through power outages. I guess these were

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 3/14/2013 1:47 PM, Jim Mulder wrote: 64-bit I/O has been supported since the beginning of z/Architecture via 64-bit IDAWs, and subsequently via MIDAWs. And, now via TIDAWs! -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Jim Mulder
64-bit I/O has been supported since the beginning of z/Architecture via 64-bit IDAWs, and subsequently via MIDAWs. And, now via TIDAWs! If/when I get around to exploiting zHPF in standalone dump, I will be quicker to remember TIDAWs. Jim Mulder z/OS System Test IBM Corp.

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread John Gilmore
Jim, You will need to remember FCXs too! John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Martin Packer
Interesting you mention Jupiter Project... ... In the late 1980's as a young SE I supported one of the Jupiter Council customers in their roll out of what something called Jupiter turned into: DFSMS. I'm wondering if your mentioned SSD was another part of a grander plan - incorporating

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-14 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
arno...@us.ibm.com (Todd Arnold) writes: IBM had three channel-attached crypto units for the mainframes. 1977 – IBM 3845 DES encryption unit 1979 – IBM 3848 DES encryption unit - faster than the 3845, and added Triple-DES (yes, IBM already had Triple-DES in its products in 1979!) 1989

Re: DS6800 problem (?)

2013-03-14 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
On 14.03.2013 19:21, Joel C. Ewing wrote: On 03/14/2013 10:36 AM, Miklos Szigetvari wrote: Hi In some previous message I have described that , we are moving now from the zDASD storage system to DS6800. We have a relative large number of volumes (140) , so we decided to move via DFSDD COPY

Re: DS6800 problem (?)

2013-03-14 Thread Mike Schwab
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com wrote: Thank you very much, it is a very good feeling , that some of the list members take the time, and think over my problem ad give very useful advices. With the inactive tracks, it would be a very good

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com (Martin Packer) writes: Interesting you mention Jupiter Project... ... In the late 1980's as a young SE I supported one of the Jupiter Council customers in their roll out of what something called Jupiter turned into: DFSMS. I'm wondering if your mentioned SSD was

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 3/14/2013 10:53 AM, zMan wrote: Indeed -- look at CCWs: if they'd put the flags in the reserved byte instead, we'd only have needed one format! (Well, until there's 64-bit I/O, anyway). Hindsight is wonderful g But I would have put the address in the second word, and the opcode, flags,

Re: jj$lwa - list of allocated userids

2013-03-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c21f399c...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com, on 03/13/2013 at 07:01 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com said: If you can find one that just displays the data by writing to SYSPRINT/SYSOUT/etc., you might be able to capture the data with OUTTRAP

Re: jj$lwa - list of allocated userids

2013-03-14 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Yes, you are correct. I was not thinking clearly when I wrote that. Thanks for the correction. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:40 PM To: