Re: Need tutorial

2013-12-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 8988413032026434.wa.herowith.zerogmail@listserv.ua.edu, on 12/28/2013 at 08:28 AM, Rajesh Kumar herowith.z...@gmail.com said: I need a good tutorial for rexx and cobol. REXX Reference Summary Handbook, ISBN 0-9639854-2-6 REXX in 21 Days Both out of print, alas. -- Shmuel

Re: Learning Rexx (was: Need tutorial)

2013-12-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 5c8fv3f78unypshw9tyopynk.1388251271...@email.android.com, on 12/28/2013 at 12:21 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said: The user-friendly interactive nature of CMS. Rhat would seem to describe TSO as well. The only place where CMS has a clear edge, IMHO, is XEDIT. -- Shmuel

Re: Learning Rexx (was: Need tutorial)

2013-12-30 Thread Charles Mills
Gee, I don't want to pose as an expert in the relative benefits of various Rexx environments. I have near-zero experience on 'nix and USS, no recent (15 years) experience on CMS, and although I have written large systems in Rexx, I am not at present writing much Rexx beyond basic TSO helper

Re: Need tutorial

2013-12-30 Thread Sambataro, Anthony (NIH/NBS) [E]
These may be helpful: http://www.kyla.co.uk/other/rexx1.htm http://www.csis.ul.ie/cobol/ -Original Message- From: Rajesh Kumar [mailto:herowith.z...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 9:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Need tutorial Hi, I need a good tutorial

Re: Need tutorial

2013-12-30 Thread John McKown
Nobody has mentioned much about COBOL. Depending on what the OP wants to learn, and his home system. He might be interested in GNU COBOL (formerly OpenCOBOL) at http://www.opencobol.org . Or, perhaps even more so, zCOBOL, at http://www.z390.org/zcobol/ . zCOBOL runs on Linux and Windows. It is

Maximum Capacity Feature

2013-12-30 Thread R.S.
I'm just reading about STK/Sun/Oracle tape drives. The latest T1D drive has uncompressed capacity 8TB, but with Maximum Capacity Feaure it's 8,5TB. I can't imagine what the feature is, physically. And why it's not always-enabled? Any clue? Happy EOY'13 -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz,

Re: One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In m3zjnjsodg@garlic.com, on 12/29/2013 at 09:50 AM, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com said: note that (at least low-end and mid-range) 360s 370s were emulation on some native microprocessor ... so 5100 wasn't all that different. The data paths on the 2030, 2040, 2050, 2065 and 2085

Spawned Address Space Control in tcsh shell

2013-12-30 Thread Mark Jacobs
I was trying to execute a batch cozsftp command using tcsh as the shell, and my dataset allocation (to send a file to an sftp server) kept on failing, either with an unable to stat DD, or when I attempted to allocate the dynamically allocate the dataset, that allocation failed due to it being

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In caarmm9qj3myeauuvhm0dmhx-cpqm2ayso3qc9anon5kznbc...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/29/2013 at 06:03 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said: I imagine it's written in C, since it runs on Windows and Linux on i86, Cite? There are BookManager products on windoze, but I'm not aware of any that accept

Re: Spawned Address Space Control in tcsh shell

2013-12-30 Thread John McKown
This is my take on it. I am not an expert. Nor do I have access to the actual source code. I don't believe that tcsh will do what you want. My reasoning is below. In order to run a process in the same address space, the code must use the spawn() function. I base this assertion on

Re: Spawned Address Space Control in tcsh shell

2013-12-30 Thread Mark Jacobs
Thanks for the reply. I changed to tcsh since it seems to work better than /bin/sh when I ssh to OMVS from my FreeBSD 9.2 workstation. Mark Jacobs On 12/30/13 08:51, John McKown wrote: This is my take on it. I am not an expert. Nor do I have access to the actual source code. I don't believe

Re: Learning Rexx (was: Need tutorial)

2013-12-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 07dd01cf055e$eb92e0d0$c2b8a270$@mcn.org, on 12/30/2013 at 07:59 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said: It's really a separate topic, but I think there is little doubt that it makes sense to edit code of any sort in some fast character-at-a-time interactive environment even if the target

Re: Spawned Address Space Control in tcsh shell

2013-12-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 07:51:28 -0600, John McKown wrote: I note that the description of the fork() function does not mention _BPX_SHAREAS at all. I therefore conclude that a fork() will always result in a new address space. It must, in order that pointers in the child process space validly point

Re: Learning Rexx

2013-12-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 12:20:36 +0800, David Crayford wrote: Most VMers claim that Rexx is superior on VM because of CMS pipes. That's a pretty strong argument. That's analogous to claiming that Rexx is superior on z/OS because of address SYSCALL (others might say ISPEXEC/ISREDIT). -- gil

Re: Spawned Address Space Control in tcsh shell

2013-12-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:16:29 -0500, Mark Jacobs wrote: Thanks for the reply. I changed to tcsh since it seems to work better than /bin/sh when I ssh to OMVS from my FreeBSD 9.2 workstation. Examples? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-30 Thread David Andrews
On Sun, 2013-12-29 at 09:50 -0500, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote: total kernel time ... moved to microcode gained approx. 72% of kernel time. Though the wikipedia article doesn't mention it, my recollection is that Magnuson's M80 system was microprogrammable by the user. Anybody remember/use that?

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-30 Thread David Andrews
On Sun, 2013-12-29 at 14:30 -0600, Andy Wood wrote: HP called it a calculator rather than a computer as a marketing ploy Heh. Bob Brigham once told me that the Bell System made electronic switching systems (ESS) because they were prohibited from marketing computers. -- David Andrews A. Duda

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-30 Thread Scott Ford
David, I remember the magnuson, it was PCM for IBM s/370s, I *think*.. Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 30, 2013, at 10:31 AM, David Andrews d...@lists.duda.com wrote: On Sun, 2013-12-29 at 09:50 -0500, Anne Lynn Wheeler

OT: humor - the perfect T-shirt - I want one!

2013-12-30 Thread John McKown
Bizarro from Monday 30 Dec 2013 http://www.arcamax.com/thefunnies/bizarro/ -- This is clearly another case of too many mad scientists, and not enough hunchbacks. Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-30 Thread DASDBILL2
In 1974, when that video was taped, a desk would fit on a computer.  :-) Bill Fairchild - Original Message - From: Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 8:26:12 AM Subject: Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) -

Re: OT: humor - the perfect T-shirt - I want one!

2013-12-30 Thread Scott Ford
Yeah, reminds me of the 70s and 80s Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 30, 2013, at 11:48 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: Bizarro from Monday 30 Dec 2013 http://www.arcamax.com/thefunnies/bizarro/ --

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-30 Thread Tony Harminc
On 30 December 2013 10:31, David Andrews d...@lists.duda.com wrote: Though the wikipedia article doesn't mention it, my recollection is that Magnuson's M80 system was microprogrammable by the user. Anybody remember/use that? Much earlier the 370/165 and /168 had a Load MicroProgram

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-30 Thread zMan
That could make for some VERY interesting results from a bad branch...maybe that's why modern PCs sometimes wedge to the point of needing a power cycle: they've reimplemented this technology! :-D On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote: On 30 December 2013 10:31,

Re: Learning Rexx

2013-12-30 Thread John Gilmore
Reifying personal preferences into claims of superiority is a lot like arguing from a mystical experience. They may well be personally compelling; but they don't persuade others. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For

Re: DCF: Can it live again?

2013-12-30 Thread Tony Harminc
On 30 December 2013 08:25, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: on 12/29/2013 at 06:03 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said: I imagine it's written in C, since it runs on Windows and Linux on i86, Cite? There are BookManager products on windoze, but I'm not aware of

VB FTP z/OS to z/OS (again?!)

2013-12-30 Thread Frank Swarbrick
For a z/OS to z/OS file transfer of a VB binary file we can use binary and (structure) record, ie: //FTPVBGET JOB ,'VB FTP GET',NOTIFY=SYSUID  //EXECFTP  EXEC PGM=FTP,PARM='remote_zos (EXIT'    //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*

Re: ▶ One day, a computer will fit on a desk (1974) - YouTube

2013-12-30 Thread David Andrews
On Mon, 2013-12-30 at 14:55 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote: Much earlier the 370/165 and /168 had a Load MicroProgram instruction that loaded microcode from main storage. X'B9', iirc. Used by OLTEP tests, I think. I have a hazy memory of the /145 having a similar instruction (possibly a variant of

Re: VB FTP z/OS to z/OS (again?!)

2013-12-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 12:37:36 -0800, Frank Swarbrick wrote: Is there any reason why I would not prefer binary/record over ebcdic/blocked?� The former seems to make much more sense, since that is in fact what I am doing.� Specifying EBCDIC implies a text file, which this is not (even though it

BLSR

2013-12-30 Thread Frank Swarbrick
This is just a curious question about how the JCL DD SUBSYS paramater works. With BLSR you allocate a file to use BLSR with something like this: //INETACC  DD SUBSYS=(BLSR,'DDNAME=INETACC@ MSG=I',    // 'RMODE31=ALL BUFND=256 BUFNI=64 DEFERW=YES') //INETACC@ DD DSN=DSNENV..INET.INETACC,  

Major, Minor CDE

2013-12-30 Thread Micheal Butz
Hi, I have been chaining the CDE entries looking for the executing program of the job step. I started from ASXBFTCB looking at TCBJPQ which had a CDE entry but not for program on the job step. At the third TCB using TCBTCB as a forward chain. Looking at TCBJPQ the 2nd forward chain CDCHAIN I

Re: VB FTP z/OS to z/OS (again?!)

2013-12-30 Thread Joel C. Ewing
Since EBCDIC is a specific encoding for text glyphs, I would have to agree with Frank that specifying EBCDIC certainly should imply one is discussing text data. I have no idea if documentation on z/OS FTP explicitly states that or not; but if its usage there is not intended to imply text data,

Re: Major, Minor CDE

2013-12-30 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 12/30/2013 2:15 PM, Micheal Butz wrote: Is there any way of knowing what cdentry represents the program job step RBCDE, in the oldest PRB under the TCB pointed to by TCBJSTCB, contains that address. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El

Re: Maximum Capacity Feature

2013-12-30 Thread Mike Schwab
http://www.oracle.com/us/products/servers-storage/storage/tape-storage/t1-data-cartridges/overview/index.html 8.5 TB maximum capacity. I assume that includes any built in compression. 2013/12/30 R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl: I'm just reading about STK/Sun/Oracle tape drives. The

Re: Major, Minor CDE

2013-12-30 Thread Walt Farrell
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:15:23 -0500, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net wrote: I have been chaining the CDE entries looking for the executing program of the job step. As Ed indicated, RBCDE from the oldest PRB in the jobstep TCB would be the CDE you want, but I'm a bit puzzled why your

Re: BLSR

2013-12-30 Thread Jim Mulder
This is just a curious question about how the JCL DD SUBSYS paramater works. With BLSR you allocate a file to use BLSR with something like this: //INETACC DD SUBSYS=(BLSR,'DDNAME=INETACC@ MSG=I', // 'RMODE31=ALL BUFND=256 BUFNI=64 DEFERW=YES') //INETACC@ DD

Re: BLSR

2013-12-30 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Makes sense.  Thank you! Frank From: Jim Mulder d10j...@us.ibm.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 4:47 PM Subject: Re: BLSR This is just a curious question about how the JCL DD SUBSYS paramater works. With BLSR you allocate

Re: Major, Minor CDE

2013-12-30 Thread Micheal Butz
I am doing some XMEM work the user enters an ASID in order to be sure he/she is looking at the right address space I would like to be able to get the job step CDE So for DFHSIP he/she would be looking at a CICS region for IKJEFT01 a TSO address space Etc Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30,

Re: Major, Minor CDE

2013-12-30 Thread Micheal Butz
That would the 4th TCB's TCBRBP As the first three are related to the Initiator. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Ed Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: On 12/30/2013 2:15 PM, Micheal Butz wrote: Is there any way of knowing what cdentry represents the program job

Re: JCL DD SUBSYS - how to write the SUBSYS

2013-12-30 Thread Tony Harminc
On 20 July 2012 22:06, Jim Mulder d10j...@us.ibm.com wrote: The Subsystem Interface in MVS/SP Version 3 GC66-3131-00 August 1989 I'm guessing this should be GG66-3131. Trivia, and I may well be wrong, but I'm including it here so it becomes searchable. Tony H.

Re: BLSR

2013-12-30 Thread Tony Harminc
On 30 December 2013 18:47, Jim Mulder d10j...@us.ibm.com wrote: BLSR was originally written at Washington Systems Center as an assembler language subsystem, which was going to be included with the book The Subsystem Interface in MVS/SP Version 3 GC66-3131-00 August 1989 as a sample

Re: Major, Minor CDE

2013-12-30 Thread Micheal Butz
In a batch job started by the initiator Not a started task. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2013, at 7:22 PM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net wrote: That would the 4th TCB's TCBRBP As the first three are related to the Initiator. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2013, at 5:49

Re: Spawned Address Space Control in tcsh shell

2013-12-30 Thread Roger Steyn
John , This talks about the _BPX_SHAREAS environment variable. This environment variable is not mentioned anywhere in the documentation of tcsh.  Your are right . BPX_SHAREAS cannot be used for tcsh . It is documented in USS planning guide . _BPX_SHAREAS Specifies whether the spawned

Re: Learning Rexx

2013-12-30 Thread David Crayford
On 30/12/2013 11:11 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Most VMers claim that Rexx is superior on VM because of CMS pipes. That's a pretty strong argument. That's analogous to claiming that Rexx is superior on z/OS because of address SYSCALL (others might say ISPEXEC/ISREDIT). Perhaps. But pipes are