Re: Integrity of Ziip code was Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-11-03 Thread Rob Scott
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Integrity of Ziip code was Re: Create zIIP workload SRB code is entered in KEY ZERO and Supervisor state. SRB code can issue no SVC's except ABEND and there are limits on the system macros you can call. Chris Blaicher Technical Architect Software Development Syncsort

Integrity of Ziip code was Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-11-03 Thread Clark Morris
201-930-8234 | M: 512-627-3803 >E: cblaic...@syncsort.com > >-Original Message- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >Behalf Of R.S. >Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:08 AM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: Create

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-29 Thread Tony Harminc
On 28 October 2015 at 17:31, R.S. wrote: Probably my post yesterday was "TL;DR" (current popular expression for Too Long; Didn't Read"). I will try again. > As I said it is possible to know the details without signing an agreement. Sure. > Last, but not least:

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-29 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2015-10-29 o 17:56, Tony Harminc pisze: On 28 October 2015 at 17:31, R.S. wrote: Probably my post yesterday was "TL;DR" (current popular expression for Too Long; Didn't Read"). I will try again. Ijust missed your previous post. :-) Nobody's perfect. "d.

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-28 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2015-10-26 o 01:53, Peter Relson pisze: Once properly licensed, I believe that there is very little of your own code that you are not allowed to make zIIP eligible. The main thing that you are not allowed to do is to make someone else's code zIIP-eligible (which includes calling them

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-28 Thread Jon Butler
To get a legal copy you must have signed a user agreement (since several years ago) which precludes the use of specialty engines except as allowed by IBM. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-28 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2015-10-28 o 14:00, Jon Butler pisze: To get a legal copy you must have signed a user agreement (since several years ago) which precludes the use of specialty engines except as allowed by IBM. What are the terms and conditions for zIIP usage in the user agreement? As far as I remeber,

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-28 Thread Tony Harminc
On 28 October 2015 at 10:07, R.S. wrote: > What are the terms and conditions for zIIP usage in the user agreement? As > far as I remeber, there is nothing about my coding. There are two documents under discussion here, and maybe they are being confused: 1) There

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-28 Thread Blaicher, Christopher Y.
: Re: Create zIIP workload W dniu 2015-10-28 o 14:00, Jon Butler pisze: > To get a legal copy you must have signed a user agreement (since several > years ago) which precludes the use of specialty engines except as allowed by > IBM. What are the terms and conditions for zIIP usage in

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-28 Thread Steve Beaver
PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Create zIIP workload Radoslaw, Having coded in that area and environment, there is no way to get there by accident. You need macros that you only get access to after you have a signed ISV agreement in place, or you would have to do a lot of reverse engi

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-28 Thread R.S.
Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 4:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Create zIIP workload Chris, It is very unlikely I would start coding in assembler, but it is possib

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-28 Thread R.S.
5 10:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Create zIIP workload W dniu 2015-10-28 o 14:00, Jon Butler pisze: To get a legal copy you must have signed a user agreement (since several years ago) which precludes the use of specialty engines except as allowed by IBM. What are the terms and

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-28 Thread Blaicher, Christopher Y.
Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677 P: 201-930-8234 | M: 512-627-3803 E: cblaic...@syncsort.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 4:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Create zII

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-27 Thread Tony Thigpen
IBM's big issue with Neon zPrime was because it allowed people to run work from other vendors on zIIPs. If you (as a licensed vendor) have authorization to run your code on zIIPs, and another vendor gives you a letter saying 'Yes, you can call my software from a zIIP', then again IBM is not

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-27 Thread Peter Relson
>Wouldn't IBM's approval be required also, or even instead? I elieve that the extent of IBM's approval is intended to be identified in the license agreement. Since that license agreement does not cover ISV's, in the absence of additional agreement, ISV billing is expected to remain unchanged

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 20:53:13 -0400, Peter Relson wrote: >Once properly licensed, I believe that there is very little of your own >code that you are not allowed to make zIIP eligible. > >The main thing that you are not allowed to do is to make someone else's >code zIIP-eligible (which includes

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-26 Thread Leonardo Vaz
, October 23, 2015 8:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Create zIIP workload On 23 October 2015 at 10:12, Leonardo Vaz <leonardo@cn.ca> wrote: > I could not find documentation on how to create an enclave SRB that would > make use of the zIIP processor. > Is this docu

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 20:18:39 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: > >IBM also has rules (published following the Neon Systems legal action >a few years ago) that describe what workloads IBM allows to be run on >the various kinds of processors:

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 08:27:29 -0400, Tony Thigpen wrote: > >It has to do with how the other guy prices his software. For example, if >he is mips based on a specific box, and you then start running his >software on a much faster zIIP, he would be loosing revenue and the >customer could be in

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-26 Thread Tony Thigpen
Paul, It has to do with how the other guy prices his software. For example, if he is mips based on a specific box, and you then start running his software on a much faster zIIP, he would be loosing revenue and the customer could be in violation of the use agreement. Tony Thigpen Paul

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-25 Thread David Crayford
IBM have announced that they are bringing Apache Spark to z/OS and that's written in Scala so I think it's fair to say that it's going to run on a zIIP. Interestingly, Spark has a Python API, CPython not Jython. I wonder if IBM are going to support a Python port? On 25/10/2015 8:38 AM, John

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-25 Thread Peter Relson
Once properly licensed, I believe that there is very little of your own code that you are not allowed to make zIIP eligible. The main thing that you are not allowed to do is to make someone else's code zIIP-eligible (which includes calling them from a zIIP-eligible state), without their

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-24 Thread John McKown
Since Scala compiles to Java byte code and is run like any other java class or jar application, I don't see how z/OS could differentiate between byte code from Scala (or Groovy or JPython or ) and Java itself. But I've been proven wrong before. On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Tony Harminc

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-24 Thread Tony Harminc
On 24 October 2015 at 00:53, David Crayford wrote: > Scala goes pretty well on z/OS too. That's an interesting one.Depending on how you interpret those IBM rules, it may or may not be legit to run it on a zAAP/zIIP. I can pretty much parse the rule either way, but of course

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-23 Thread David Crayford
On 24/10/2015 8:18 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: On 23 October 2015 at 10:12, Leonardo Vaz wrote: I could not find documentation on how to create an enclave SRB that would make use of the zIIP processor. Is this documented anywhere? As Bob said, it's available to ISVs. If you

Create zIIP workload

2015-10-23 Thread Leonardo Vaz
Hello List, I hope you all are doing well. I could not find documentation on how to create an enclave SRB that would make use of the zIIP processor. Is this documented anywhere? Thanks and regards, Leo -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-23 Thread Leonardo Vaz
Aw :( thank you for the info Bob! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 10:28 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Create zIIP workload > I could not find documentat

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-23 Thread Bob Shannon
> I could not find documentation on how to create an enclave SRB that would > make use of the zIIP processor. Is this documented anywhere? It is not publically documented. The documentation is available to vendors under CDA. Bob Shannon Rocket Software Rocket

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-23 Thread Tony Harminc
On 23 October 2015 at 10:12, Leonardo Vaz wrote: > I could not find documentation on how to create an enclave SRB that would > make use of the zIIP processor. > Is this documented anywhere? As Bob said, it's available to ISVs. If you can convince IBM that you are one

Re: Create zIIP workload

2015-10-23 Thread Charles Mills
5:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Create zIIP workload On 23 October 2015 at 10:12, Leonardo Vaz <leonardo@cn.ca> wrote: > I could not find documentation on how to create an enclave SRB that would > make use of the zIIP processor. > Is this documented anywher