Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems

2015-09-23 Thread Mike Schwab
Developement of the problematic engine. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/tech/volkswagen-diesel-emissions/ -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / si

Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems

2015-09-22 Thread Ed Finnell
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/24/china-executes-2-people-o_n_368657. html In a message dated 9/22/2015 12:46:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mike.a.sch...@gmail.com writes: Somebody (the plant manager) gets some serious jail time for knowingly shipping contaminated peanuts that ende

Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems

2015-09-22 Thread Mike Schwab
Somebody (the plant manager) gets some serious jail time for knowingly shipping contaminated peanuts that ended up killing 9 people (although he wasn't charged with negligent homicide (yet)). http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/former-peanut-exec-gets-years-in-prison-for-outbreak-that/article_56

Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems

2015-09-22 Thread Tony Thigpen
> (Others?) Yes. Independent tester was CAFEE. Third-party who hired them was ICCT. Tony Thigpen Paul Gilmartin wrote on 09/22/2015 11:15 AM: On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 10:29:35 -0400, Tony Thigpen wrote: Independent tester hired by third-party that wanted tougher standards. I see: https://e

Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems

2015-09-22 Thread Mike Schwab
Manning / Assange / Snowden found out the effectiveness of whistleblower protection laws from the U.S. On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 10:29:35 -0400, Tony Thigpen wrote: > >>Independent tester hired by

Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems

2015-09-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 10:29:35 -0400, Tony Thigpen wrote: >Independent tester hired by third-party that wanted tougher standards. > I see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen#Defeat_device_scandal The EPA was alerted to the issue by the International Council on Clean Transportation

Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems

2015-09-22 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2015-09-22 o 16:22, Bob Shannon pisze: Like Charles said, there two sides, I'm keep wondering why it was done I'm a former TDI owner (not the generation in question). Loved the car. Loved the engine. So, after investing a billion or so dollars in a new engine design VW finds it can eith

Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems

2015-09-22 Thread Tony Thigpen
Independent tester hired by third-party that wanted tougher standards. They wanted to use VW as an example of what can be done with clean diesel so as to force new rules on other car manufacturers. Big surprise. :-) Tony Thigpen Bob Shannon wrote on 09/22/2015 10:22 AM: Like Charles said, t

Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems

2015-09-22 Thread Bob Shannon
> Like Charles said, there two sides, I'm keep wondering why it was done I'm a former TDI owner (not the generation in question). Loved the car. Loved the engine. So, after investing a billion or so dollars in a new engine design VW finds it can either pass the emissions tests or achieve high (t

Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems

2015-09-22 Thread Scott Ford
wn 40% if I understand the news >> reports correctly. I wonder if they can -- I wonder if they should -- >> survive this. >> >> Charles >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >> Behalf Of Charles M

Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems

2015-09-22 Thread Tony Thigpen
nder if they should -- survive this. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 1:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Poll

Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems

2015-09-22 Thread Charles Mills
if they should -- survive this. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 1:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Con

Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems

2015-09-20 Thread John P. Baker
Ford Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 11:20 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems This is a question of ethics and ones moral compass. Regards, Scott On Friday, September 18, 2015, Richard Pinion wrote: > I underst

Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems

2015-09-20 Thread Scott Ford
ler" time. > > > > --- jba...@ngssallc.com wrote: > > From: "John P. Baker" > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control > Systems > Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16

Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems

2015-09-18 Thread Richard Pinion
f a crime. John P. Baker -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Pinion Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 4:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Sys

Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems

2015-09-18 Thread John P. Baker
Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Pinion Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 4:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems As an employee of a company who deals with HIPPA controlled/protected

Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems

2015-09-18 Thread Richard Pinion
As an employee of a company who deals with HIPPA controlled/protected data, I feel very uncomfortable knowing that I can be charged either with a civil or criminal violation in the event that HIPPA data, under my control, is accidentally lost or stolen. And I am not talking about an intentional

Re: Volkswagen Programmed Vehicle to Deactivate Pollution Control Systems

2015-09-18 Thread Charles Mills
I agree that the story as presented in the initial reports is pretty damning. I would like to hear "the other side of the story." I think there is at least some possibility that the intent of the programming was not malicious and that either it has the unintended side effect that the EPA has allege