Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-23 Thread Barbara Nitz
>Its interesting, because I don’t have any products that give me extra extents >except what SMS does for me space wise, and I have never increased my dataset >size allocations. Just as a preparation for increasing allocations, here is what failed x37 in the past 8 refreshes (all on the *install

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-22 Thread Brian Westerman
Except for C:\Windows and the Program files directory, I don't think I keep anything where Microsoft wants me to. I like to keep everything that isn't the vanilla MS system on other drives and I create links to them so that I can reinstall when I want and just redo the links. But then I also

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-22 Thread Gibney, Dave
production was a non-event. Which is as it should be. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Tom Brennan > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 7:38 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Re

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-22 Thread Shaffer, Terri
Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests External Email Hi Terri, When adding an Software Instance that you already have (say, z/OS V2.4), you are telling z/OSMF the CSI and zones to use. Those DDDEFs, presumably, will be correct with the data set names, volumes, and

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-22 Thread Carmen Vitullo
ah YUP! I was going to add, when I did a short jaunt with IGS, most of the IBM sysprog's never heard of ServerPac and most never provided or worked with a custompac install. The clients systems are built based on what the client needs, sometime just the base system, sometimes the base+OEM pr

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-22 Thread Tom Brennan
"seems everyone has a better way" I think you hit on the root of the problem. With Windows and Linux installs, everyone (generally) does things the same exact way, including filenames and directory locations. They don't have the problems we have with mainframe installs. On 7/22/2021 7:19 A

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-22 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I think I IPL'd the CPAC system that was built from the ServerPac once in my career, it was the company/dept's standard and we had a small LPAR built just for that reason. Documentation was provided, IPLing the CPAC system was only done to proceed with the ServerPac install.  moving on from th

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-21 Thread Brian Westerman
I'm almost completely the opposite, I use it as an opportunity to replace the datasets and make corrections to their allocations. Although in my case I am normally coming in after someone messed up or 5 to 10 years (or more) after the previous upgrade so the sizes and allocations in many cases

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-21 Thread Brian Westerman
Some of the problem here is that you are telling me what "will" be there, but I don't have anything that actually shows that or even implies it for z/OSMF for z/OS. I don't even have the workflows to verify anything. I'm really hoping that I'm being Chicken Little here, but it's looking less

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-21 Thread Tom Brennan
We always seemed to be at the limit of our res pack, so after a new install I would run a job that to compress and trim (to zero) most PDS's with the idea that they would just go into extents as needed if updates were made. We rarely updated a res pack in place, so there was usually no problem

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-21 Thread Tom Brennan
Same with me when I ran ServerPac installs - I never IPL'd using the datasets provided by the installer such as catalogs, RACF, spool, SMF, page, etc. I never understood IBM's reason for doing that, and also never understood the reason for running the system validation jobs on the vanilla syst

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-21 Thread Marna WALLE
Bruce, Thank you! This is very helpful for us to have! -Marna WALLE z/OS System Install and Upgrade IBM Poughkeepsie -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-21 Thread Marna WALLE
Brian, Let's make a clear distinction. Inside the z/OS z/OSMF ServerPac package that is shipped to you, and I'm talking about the archived datasets for you to restore, these are the data sets you'll receive (which is somewhat based on what the product mix you ordered from Shopz): --SMP/E targ

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Ed Jaffe [edja...@phoenixsoftware.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 12:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests On 7/20/2021 10:47 AM, Marna WALLE wrote: > ... even with

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Brian Westerman [brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 1:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-21 Thread Barbara Nitz
Hi Marna, >Making everything bigger is not a good option. Not everything "needs" to be >bigger, but there are those that even 40% won't be enough.I think >creating z/OSMF product delivery without the ability to change the size and >location of the datasets (easily) is a bad idea. I am wi

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Brian Westerman
>Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of >Marna WALLE [mwa...@us.ibm.com] >Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 1:47 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.ED

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Brian Westerman
Making everything bigger is not a good option. Not everything "needs" to be bigger, but there are those that even 40% won't be enough. The Serverpac used to ship with SMF and JES spool/checkpoint and SMF on the catalog volume, and I'm sure no one probably leaves it there, but the size of the d

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Bruce Hewson
Hello Marna, I use:- Rules for re-sizing datasets:- Target volume datasets to be allocated in CYLINDERS Distribution volume datasets to be allocated in TRACK

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Gibney, Dave
nce into a running system > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Ed Jaffe > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:50 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests > > On 7/2

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 7/20/2021 10:47 AM, Marna WALLE wrote: ... even with enlarging the data sets with some predictive percentage (50%, 100%, 200%?) - still doesn't completely help with running out of space in some data sets or even volumes continually, and could result in some data sets being overly and unnece

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread kekronbekron
It'd be great if IBM disappeared the problem by buying one of the stop x37 companies :) - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, July 20th, 2021 at 11:17 PM, Marna WALLE wrote: > Hi Barbara (and others), > > Nice to see so many users of PDSEs! We do not today have the capability to

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Shaffer, Terri
: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests External Email Hi Terri, When adding an Software Instance that you already have (say, z/OS V2.4), you are telling z/OSMF the CSI and zones to use. Those DDDEFs, presumably, will be correct with the data set names, volumes, and paths

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Marna WALLE [mwa...@us.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 1:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests Hi Barbara (and others), Nice to see so many users of PDSEs! We do not

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Marna WALLE
Hello KB, As a little reference table, here's what's available today (and in the future) from Shopz as a ServerPac, along with the installation method. You can see that z/OSMF ServerPac has been available for many products, for quite a while now. CICS (and program products): z/OSMF ServerP

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Marna WALLE
Hi Barbara (and others), Nice to see so many users of PDSEs! We do not today have the capability to switch from PDS to PDSE in z/OSMF, but we've got it in our backlog from requests to have it. If PDSEs users would like to help us prioritize that, with their business impacts without this capabi

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Carmen Vitullo
thank you for the sanity check. I see that I can inquire missing / critical maint, I was hoping that I could take the info and perform a receive from that missing maint. using a defined protocol (ftps or https) and have z/osmf submit the job to receive from network. I do have a weekly job setu

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Mike Schwab
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 12:05 PM Marna WALLE wrote: > > Q: I wonder since my company does not allow access from my mainframe systems > to the internet, what protocol will be used to query my CSI's, > maint level? get service > A: Same methods as before. Nothing has changed. You can acquire a

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Marna WALLE
Hi Carmen, Sorry to hear that z/OS V2.4 will be your least release! Good luck in retirement! Once you have laid down a z/OSMF ServerPac, it will have the same considerations as if you had done it with the ISPF ServerPac dialogs, so I'm guessing the comments weren't about z/OSMF specifically?

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Colin Paice
This may be off topic... I used SMP(/e) about 35+ years ago, I used to build CICS. I now get my z/OS from ADCD. I download some volumes and have an IPLable system. I could download the DLIBs if I wanted them. Is this the sort of direction we should be going in? If IBM was to provide the volumes

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Mike Schwab
ion List On Behalf Of > kekronbekron > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:35 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests > > Hmm.. is 2.4 is available as a zOSMF Software Instance via ShopZ? > > - KB > > ‐‐

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Marna WALLE
Hi Terri, When adding an Software Instance that you already have (say, z/OS V2.4), you are telling z/OSMF the CSI and zones to use. Those DDDEFs, presumably, will be correct with the data set names, volumes, and paths. Those DDDEFs will be used as a model on the incoming z/OS CSI DDDEFs. That

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
January 2022 and beyond - Requests Robert, It's been done, and is the proceedings: https://www.share.org/Events/Past-Events/Proceedings/Proceeding-Details/installing-ibms-serverpac-using-zosmf-software-management Look for Kurt Quackenbush's "Installing IBM's ServerPac U

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Marna WALLE
Robert, It's been done, and is the proceedings: https://www.share.org/Events/Past-Events/Proceedings/Proceeding-Details/installing-ibms-serverpac-using-zosmf-software-management Look for Kurt Quackenbush's "Installing IBM's ServerPac Using z/OSMF Software Management", from Ft Worth 2020. Kurt

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Carmen Vitullo
.shaf...@aciworldwide.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 10:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests External Email On 7/20/2021 4:41 AM, Richards, Robert B

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 7/20/2021 7:27 AM, Shaffer, Terri wrote: How would this even work? Or be complete.. SMPE doesn’t know about my SERVERPAC customizations. Or how about the CPAC. ** datasets or other operational names I setup. When you create a Software Instance, you select a CSI and as many target zo

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Shaffer, Terri
AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests External Email On 7/20/2021 4:41 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: > "If I may suggest to all that will install z/OS V2.5 with z/OSMF, it really > behooves you to define your prior z

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread kekronbekron
t; > H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) > > terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of > kekronbekron > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:24 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
Sounds like great SHARE session material (if it isn't already there for the next one). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 10:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and b

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 7/20/2021 6:34 AM, kekronbekron wrote: Hmm.. is 2.4 is available as a zOSMF Software Instance via ShopZ? No products are available as Software Instances from ShopZ, they come as PORTABLE Software Instances. You can create a Software Instance for any collection of software you have -- SMP

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 7/20/2021 4:41 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: "If I may suggest to all that will install z/OS V2.5 with z/OSMF, it really behooves you to define your prior z/OS release right now as a Software Instance." I do not want to assume that I completely understand your suggestion. She means

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of kekronbekron Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests Hmm.. is 2.4 is available as a zOSMF Software Instance via ShopZ? - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ O

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Shaffer, Terri
Discussion List On Behalf Of kekronbekron Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests External Email Hi Bob, I believe she means that when you import your prior/current zOS CSI and set some parms (if

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread kekronbekron
pz except change the > delivery mechanism. > > Bob > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of > kekronbekron > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:24 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subj

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
I thought that maybe a new order of 2.4 through Shopz except change the delivery mechanism. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of kekronbekron Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread kekronbekron
Hi Bob, I believe she means that when you import your prior/current zOS CSI and set some parms (if required) for it, then you can base your target environment (CSI, files, etc.) off of it. This way, you don't start at zero, i.e., defining all datasets manually, anew. - KB ‐‐‐ Original Mess

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
Marna, Can you expand on what you mean below? "If I may suggest to all that will install z/OS V2.5 with z/OSMF, it really behooves you to define your prior z/OS release right now as a Software Instance." I do not want to assume that I completely understand your suggestion. Bob

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Shaffer, Terri
Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Marna WALLE Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 1:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests External Email Hi Terri, You are correct that within the z/OSMF interface, there is no way to edit a produced job for

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Brian Westerman
You are 100% correct, there are about 50 datasets that I ALWAYS enlarge during the installation for just the reason you specified, IBM sizes them for delivery, not for applying maintenance later. Then there are the ones that ALWAYS need to be updated like HASPSPACE and the checkpoints, as well

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Barbara Nitz
>You can't change the size of a dataset and you can't change PDS to PDSE. It's >easy in ServerPac to mass change to PDSE. It skips ones that aren't eligible. You can't? As far as I am concerned that is a definite roadblock. IBM never sizes the data sets in such a way that they won't go x37 at th

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-19 Thread Shaffer, Terri
ssage- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Marna WALLE Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 1:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests External Email Hi Terri, You are correct that within the z/OSMF interface, there is no way to edit

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-19 Thread Al Loeffler
ent: Monday, July 19, 2021 1:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests Hi Terri, You are correct that within the z/OSMF interface, there is no way to edit a produced job for Deployment. It is intended that no editing is necessary, in that i

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-19 Thread Marna WALLE
Hi Terri, You are correct that within the z/OSMF interface, there is no way to edit a produced job for Deployment. It is intended that no editing is necessary, in that if you need to "tweak" the job, we should be providing that capability within the interface itself. The JCL produced should re

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-19 Thread Shaffer, Terri
So, I am going to ease up on IBM a little, except for the resources needed for z/OSMF, But have a few usability requests just as in the serverpac. I am not 100% convinced yet, but I see no way of editing a job that was generated, BEFORE submit!! I also see fields on the screen but no context

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond (+hungry ZOWE concerns)

2021-07-18 Thread Mike Hochee
- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Colin Paice Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 2:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond (+hungry ZOWE concerns) Caution! This message was sent from outside your

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond (+hungry ZOWE concerns)

2021-07-18 Thread Colin Paice
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 4:32 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond (+hungry ZOWE > concerns) > > Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. > > If z/OSMF uses a lot of CPU when idle. You should in

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond (+hungry ZOWE concerns)

2021-07-18 Thread Mike Hochee
[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Colin Paice Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 4:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond (+hungry ZOWE concerns) Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. If z/OSMF uses a lot of CPU when

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond (+hungry ZOWE concerns)

2021-07-18 Thread Colin Paice
STSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Ed Jaffe > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 7:24 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond > > Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. > > On 7/17/2021 3:46 AM, Brian Westerman

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-07-17 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 17/07/2021 8:46 pm, Brian Westerman wrote: once they figured out that the two "sample" sites I was dealing with were z13s (80mip) and a z15t02 (88mip), they decided that they needed to republish the "minimum" requirements. If you look at the guide now, they use a 400+mip box to do the setup

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-07-17 Thread Brian Westerman
Hi, zIIP is not free, and isn't even an available upgrade for the client running a z13s. It's an option for the one running the z15, but the cost is prohibitive. My point is that IBM is providing an entry level for customers, but that entry level cannot execute z/OSMF. These two sites are

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-07-17 Thread Gibney, Dave
July 17, 2021 4:24 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond > > On 7/17/2021 3:46 AM, Brian Westerman wrote: > > Asking a site that is able to function within their requirements and > > existing > SLA's to upgrade

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-07-17 Thread Shaffer, Terri
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 7:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond So I have to politely disagree with that comment. z/OSMF software install has always had its limitations as with big installation we installed once and replicated 127 times to

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond (+hungry ZOWE concerns)

2021-07-17 Thread Mike Hochee
ehalf Of Ed Jaffe Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 7:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. On 7/17/2021 3:46 AM, Brian Westerman wrote: > Asking a site that is able to function with

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-07-17 Thread Colin Paice
it again. > > > >Best regards, > >Cheryl > > > >== > >Cheryl Watson Walker, CEO > >Watson & Walker, Inc. > >Sarasota, FL USA > >www.watsonwalker.com > >== > > > > > > > >

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-07-17 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 7/17/2021 3:46 AM, Brian Westerman wrote: Asking a site that is able to function within their requirements and existing SLA's to upgrade their box to more than 4x the existing size just to run z/OSMF is just never going to be economically feasible. Even on sites with larger machines, they

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-07-17 Thread Brian Westerman
from trying it again. > >Best regards, >Cheryl > >== >Cheryl Watson Walker, CEO >Watson & Walker, Inc. >Sarasota, FL USA >www.watsonwalker.com >====== > > > >-----Original Message- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of >Shaf

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-07-16 Thread Cheryl Watson Walker
s Terri E Shaffer Senior Systems Engineer, z/OS Support: ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Richards, Robert B. (CTR) Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 12:40 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LI

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-07-16 Thread Shaffer, Terri
Worldwide - Telecommuter H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Richards, Robert B. (CTR) Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 12:40 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-07-16 Thread Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
ainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > Of Shaffer, Terri > > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 11:01 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond > > ** EXTERNAL EMAIL - USE CAUTION ** > > So not to beat u

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-07-16 Thread Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
On Behalf Of Ron Wells Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 12:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond Total joke--setup and developed by people that THINK they know what they are doing and THINK they know what you need. -Original Message- From

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-07-16 Thread Mark Jacobs
.EDU On Behalf Of > Shaffer, Terri > > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 11:01 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond > > ** EXTERNAL EMAIL - USE CAUTION ** > > So not to beat up on this new installation process, but

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-07-16 Thread Ron Wells
: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond ** EXTERNAL EMAIL - USE CAUTION ** So not to beat up on this new installation process, but if I have the option on installing z/OS 2.5 with serverpac in Oct, I will never touch z/OSMF again for 2 years. It took me 2 days and working with security just to

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-07-16 Thread Shaffer, Terri
ources. Ms Terri E Shaffer Senior Systems Engineer, z/OS Support: ACIWorldwide – Telecommuter H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Marna WALLE Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2021 10:28 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSE

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-03-10 Thread Brian Westerman
Hi, :) Driving a yugo is an "example of" driving a 18 wheel truck, but it's not an 18-wheel truck, and the exercise is almost useless if you need to drive an 18-wheel truck. :) If you don't have DB2, CICS or IMS, (which a good number of sites don't have), what would they use to "practice" wi

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-03-10 Thread Marna WALLE
Brian, I see that Timothy jumped in to mention that you do not need to have an IMS, Db2, or CICS license to try out a z/OSMF Portable Software Instance today. Any IBM customer can have a sample Portable Software Instance. And that other major software vendors are already delivering z/OSMF Port

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-03-09 Thread Timothy Sipples
Brian Westerman wrote: >Next, using CICS, DBV2 or IMS serverpac as a sample/example. >There are a great many sites who do not have CICS or DB2 or >IMS, I can name 30 just off the top of my head. How will >they "practice"? How will they "learn the process now?" >Are you penalizing them because the

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-03-09 Thread Brian Westerman
Hi Marna, I will respond in a different order. As for staying "current", yes, that would be a good idea, unfortunately, it's unrealistic to decide it has to be that way. I would imagine a very large number of sites are still running 2.1 and 2.2, in fact, I know that to be true. Next, usin

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-03-07 Thread Marna WALLE
Brian, I would like to assure you that this decision was not taken lightly, and was taken with all those considerations (and others) to extend both ordering types for as long as was feasible. Some points I would like to make: - the z/OS ServerPac for z/OSMF is extremely similar to the CICS, D

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-03-06 Thread Brian Westerman
The problem I see is that (currently), you can't use it to get a copy of z/OS to test how it will work, until 2.5 is released later in the year. Then, after it is released, just a few months later, the ability to download the "old" serverpac way will be completely removed. That's very short-si

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-03-05 Thread Marna WALLE
Thanks, Dana, for mentioning the test Portable Software Instance you can use now. I wanted to add, for those "advanced" z/OSMF users (who are really those that want a simplified GUI for an SMP/E APPLY of PTFs), this test Portable Software Instance *also* includes some sample test PTFs in the GL

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-03-05 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
On 3/5/2021 12:19 AM, Brian Westerman wrote: When you click on the link below to get the announcement and then from there click on the link to go the software update page at (https://www.ibm.com/support/z-content-solutions/software-update-zosmf/), and then click on the link to "configure your

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-03-04 Thread Brian Westerman
When you click on the link below to get the announcement and then from there click on the link to go the software update page at (https://www.ibm.com/support/z-content-solutions/software-update-zosmf/), and then click on the link to "configure your software management service", you get a dead l

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-03-04 Thread Dana Mitchell
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 09:16:37 -0500, Kurt Quackenbush wrote: >On 3/3/2021 10:53 PM, Jake Anderson wrote: > >> If I understand zosmf is going to connect to IBM site over the internet to >> download it's software.What if a mainframe data centre which doesn't >> connect to internet or have restriction

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-03-04 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
9:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] On 3/3/2021 10:53 PM, Jake Anderson wrote: > If I understand zosmf is going to connect to IBM site over the > inte

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-03-04 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
On 3/3/2021 10:53 PM, Jake Anderson wrote: If I understand zosmf is going to connect to IBM site over the internet to download it's software.What if a mainframe data centre which doesn't connect to internet or have restrictions ? Downloading your ServerPac using z/OSMF is mostly the same as dow

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-03-03 Thread Jake Anderson
If I understand zosmf is going to connect to IBM site over the internet to download it's software.What if a mainframe data centre which doesn't connect to internet or have restrictions ? On Thu, 4 Mar, 2021, 6:48 am Ed Jaffe, wrote: > On 3/3/2021 2:54 PM, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: > > I hate it!

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-03-03 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 3/3/2021 2:54 PM, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: I hate it! IMHO there should be "vacation legis" - a period of coexistence of two methods. Yes, there is some period, but it should be definitely longer. When I first heard about this, there was no overlap period at all. There must have been signi

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-03-03 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
I hate it! IMHO there should be "vacation legis" - a period of coexistence of two methods. Yes, there is some period, but it should be definitely longer. -- Radoslaw Skorupka (looking for new job) Lodz, Poland W dniu 03.03.2021 o 20:33, Dave Jousma pisze: Well, it was foreshadowed here on

Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

2021-03-03 Thread Dave Jousma
Well, it was foreshadowed here on IBM-Main not too long ago, probably by Marna. Now its in writing…. Get your z/OSMF instances functional now! After January 2022 orders using the custompac dialogs will be gone! https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/7/897/E

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