In
985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c21f37ff...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com,
on 03/05/2013
at 02:18 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com
said:
Sometimes I wish they had not done away with TNL's (yeah, I know it's
impractical in an age of electronic books,
It is not, however,
In 1631048133608148.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
03/05/2013
at 05:24 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
If you don't find it in the Index, look very
carefully through the entire catalogue.
Keep in mind the traditional application of said catalog.
--
In 9933210527218233.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
03/06/2013
at 08:20 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Why is this discussion taking place here ratner than on
ASSEMBLER-LIST?
Why not? It is on topic.
F Assembler? Assembler VS?
ITYM XF.
Assembler VS was known as
In 1362595274.25094.yahoomai...@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on
03/06/2013
at 10:41 AM, Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net said:
In fact many of the feature upgrades from H Assembler to HLASM came
from the SLAC mods descriptions as we wrote SHARE requirements for
those features.
In at
and not Greg's
way.
Lloyd
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In 1362595274.25094.yahoomai...@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on
03/06/2013
at 10:41
Thank you for that link. I was not aware that IBM made closed APAR
documentation available to the public.
I still think it is wrong for two major machine upgrades to have occurred and
yet none of the HLASM manuals was updated.
HLASM hasn't really changed. It would be nice if the page at
Paul Gilmartin wrote:
snip
I had understood that, new with MVS/XA, HLASM was not 'given away'
as a part of the operating system, but a separately priced prerequisite.
Has that changed, or was I mistaken?
snip
The 1980's were a long time ago (smile), and I'm not going to look up
the history
The H Assembler at least was once charged for.
The cost was always nominal, US$150 per month is what I remember, but
I should not wish to be hanged if that number is wrong. It was widely
used because it did SYSGENs, NCPGENs, and the like very much faster
than the F Assembler.
John Gilmore,
Why is this discussion taking place here ratner than on
ASSEMBLER-LIST?
On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 09:02:31 -0500, John Gilmore wrote:
The H Assembler at least was once charged for.
The cost was always nominal, US$150 per month is what I remember, but
I should not wish to be hanged if that number is
On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 07:46:08 -0600, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com
wrote:
HLASM hasn't really changed. It would be nice if the page at
http://www.vm.ibm.com/devpages/jelliott/cmosproc.html
would be updated to include the HLASM opcode table that is
appropriate for each model. It would
: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com
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The H Assembler at least was once charged for.
The cost was always nominal, US$150 per month is what I remember, but
I should not wish to be hanged if that number
On 3/6/2013 9:20 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
F Assembler? Assembler VS? Assembler VS was known as IFOX00, IIRC.
I once had a manual that explained the differences. It got left behind in
a move.
I've never heard IFOX00 called the VS assembler; it's always been the XF
assembler in my crowd.
documentation for a supported IBM product
would be a research project.
Charles
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John,
I think your numbers are pretty much OK,
We also used asmH (IEV90) for something unique. Its too long and
intricate to go into here. Suffice it to say we had clerks creating
SQL like inquiries )asm H macros) and would run these in a batch
mode that would take 48 hours or more
On 5 Mar 2013 15:31:23 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 16:16:50 -0500, John Gilmore wrote:
It does not much interest IBM's management, I suspect because it is
not the focus of 'interesting' activity. Moreover, it is not a profit
center. It generates no
On 3/6/2013 5:17 PM, Clark Morris wrote:
Should there be a SHARE requirement that all APARs that update
documentation also cause an update to the related manuals? In these
days of electronic documents, that should be relatively inexpensive
and not cause a massive distribution of paper manuals.
Yes. I'm looking for the documentation.
Charles
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Charles,
Are you using
04, 2013 12:30 PM
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Charles Mills wrote:
My z/OS R13 collection contains HLASM documentation from 2008. Is
there current HLASM documentation? Or has HLASM just not been updated?
(I notice my z/OS R13 listings say R6.0.) I find
On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 10:45:29 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
And, did zEC12 indroduce no new addressing modes nor instruction
formats that might affect syntax described in HLASM doc?
AFAIK, Addressing modes, instruction formats and syntax for
machine instructions are documented in the Principles of
Tom Marchant wrote:
begin extract
AFAIK, Addressing modes, instruction formats and syntax for machine
instructions are documented in the Principles of Operation, not HLASM
doc.
/end extract
and this is the impoortant point that needs to be made here.
In, general, of course, there are
AM
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Tom Marchant wrote:
begin extract
AFAIK, Addressing modes, instruction formats and syntax for machine
instructions are documented in the Principles of Operation, not HLASM doc.
/end extract
and this is the impoortant point
On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:20:47 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
And none of the below is an answer to my question: where are HLASM docs that
cover the ***HLASM*** (not PoP) changes since 2008?
Do you mean like this from the HLASM R6 General Information manual?
On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:44:18 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:20:47 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
And none of the below is an answer to my question: where are HLASM docs that
cover the ***HLASM*** (not PoP) changes since 2008?
Do you mean like this from the HLASM R6 General
On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:57:21 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
Are there OPTABLE values that distinguish between z196 and zEC12?
(Is there even a difference?) If so, are these documented?
The best I can find in the v1R6 Programmer's Guide is ZOP, ZS3, ZS4;
2008 information.
As someone said, that
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On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:57:21 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
Are there OPTABLE
All from 2008.
Ah, 2008! Remember those fabulous z10's?
Charles
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.
Charles
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On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:57:21 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote
On 3/5/2013 11:18 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
PMFJI here, but documenting important changes only in an APAR leaves out all of
the application programmers like myself who have no access to the APAR
documentation site, which is restricted to systems programmers with valid IBM
logons.
I
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On 3/5/2013 11:18 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
PMFJI here, but documenting important changes only in an APAR leaves out
Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
PMFJI here, but documenting important changes only in an APAR leaves out all of
the application programmers like myself who have no access to the APAR
documentation site, which is restricted to systems programmers with valid IBM
logons.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 16:16:50 -0500, John Gilmore wrote:
It does not much interest IBM's management, I suspect because it is
not the focus of 'interesting' activity. Moreover, it is not a profit
center. It generates no identifiable revenue stream; it is instead
'given away' as a part of the
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
TNLs? Did someone say it's harder to update electronic documentation
than hardcopy? Fairly long ago, I understood that in parts of the
aviation service industry mechanics were allowed to print hardcopies
of
My z/OS R13 collection contains HLASM documentation from 2008. Is there
current HLASM documentation? Or has HLASM just not been updated? (I notice
my z/OS R13 listings say R6.0.) I find that hard to believe. There could
not possibly be no HLASM that supported post z10 op codes.
Charles
On 3/4/2013 8:26 AM, Charles Mills wrote:
My z/OS R13 collection contains HLASM documentation from 2008. Is there
current HLASM documentation? Or has HLASM just not been updated? (I notice
my z/OS R13 listings say R6.0.) I find that hard to believe. There could
not possibly be no HLASM that
instructions.
Charles
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On 3/4/2013 8:26 AM, Charles Mills wrote:
My z
How does one turn on the new op codes, then? My (z/OS R13 collection) HLASM
documentation of the MACHINE option (for example) ends with
ZSERIES-4 Same as MACHINE(ZSERIES-3) but with the addition of support for the
z10 instructions.
Are you using the collection for 1.3 or for 1.13?
Bob
Well, it has the 1.13 manuals for z/OS in it ...
Charles
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How does one
On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:23:43 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
I'm utterly clear on the role of the POP versus the role of the HLASM doc.
How does one turn on the new op codes, then? My (z/OS R13 collection)
HLASM documentation of the MACHINE option (for example) ends with
ZSERIES-4 Same as
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On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:23:43 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
I'm utterly clear on the role of the POP versus the role of the HLASM doc.
How does one turn on the new op
Charles Mills wrote:
My z/OS R13 collection contains HLASM documentation from 2008. Is there
current HLASM documentation? Or has HLASM just not been updated? (I notice
my z/OS R13 listings say R6.0.) I find that hard to believe. There could
not possibly be no HLASM that supported post z10 op
Charles,
Are you using the OPTABLE PARM keyword? That will restrict the
instructions available to you.
Dan
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From: Charles Mills
How does one turn on the new op codes, then? My (z/OS R13 collection)
HLASM documentation of the MACHINE option (for example) ends
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