Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-07 Thread William Donzelli
Mainframes? The 8100 was a series of small machines that grew out of the 3790. They were no more mainframes than their competitor, the S/1. Perhaps you are thinking of DPPX/370, which ran on the 9370. It is debatable (although maybe we shouldn't here!) - 8100 was a DPD product, not GSD like

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread Lloyd Fuller
- Original Message From: zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wed, September 5, 2012 5:17:37 PM Subject: Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing. On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread zMan
AT/370. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Leopold Strauss leopold.stra...@isis-papyrus.com wrote: Yes. It was a microprogrammed motorola-68000-chip, which was used. Name was similar to PC/370, but I am not sure about that. Many years ago the company, where I was employeed at that tim, had

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread Lloyd Fuller
Subject: Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing. AT/370. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Leopold Strauss leopold.stra...@isis-papyrus.com wrote: Yes. It was a microprogrammed motorola-68000-chip, which was used. Name was similar to PC/370, but I am not sure

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
gahe...@gmail.com (George Henke) writes: I believe IBM produced a pc with a 370 to run VM on a PC. Merrill Lynch had one. Somewhere in the late 80's I believe. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#72 zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing 1984, xt/370

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In caccgc5dh-2kebjfpnmt0apwdcjjaondevelz6wnufcla7og...@mail.gmail.com, on 09/06/2012 at 01:58 AM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com said: I believe IBM produced a pc with a 370 to run VM on a PC. XT/370 and AT/370 used a 68000 with custom microcode and a second 68000 with standard microcode.

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#74 zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing between xt/at/370 and p370/p390 was a74 (7437) done in POK by the same group that had done the 3277GA (i.e. large tektronics

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#72 zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#74 zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#77 zEC12, and previous

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread William Donzelli
360s, 370s, etc ... have been microcode implemented on variety of other kinds of engines. circa 1980 there was an effort to replace the wide variety of internet microprocessors used for controllers, lowmid range 370s, the planned as/400 replacement for s/38, etc ... all with 801/risc Iliad

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#72 zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#74 zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#77 zEC12, and previous generations, why

zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-05 Thread McKown, John
I guess that I should preface this with another question. Does anybody use a z for heavy numeric computation anymore? Or has that all gone to Intel and Power boxes? Why is that? If it is because the z architecture is not good at numeric computation, I have a question. The internals of the z has

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea0115baa1...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 09/05/2012 at 11:45 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: If it is because the z architecture is not good at numeric computation, The z architecture is fine for numeric computations. The problem is that the

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-05 Thread zMan
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote: In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea0115baa1...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 09/05/2012 at 11:45 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: If it is because the z architecture is not good at

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-05 Thread Conlin, Pete
, why? type question - GPU computing. On 9/5/2012 at 12:45 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: I guess that I should preface this with another question. Does anybody use a z for heavy numeric computation anymore? Or has that all gone to Intel and Power boxes? Why

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-05 Thread Tony Harminc
On 5 September 2012 17:17, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote: The z architecture is fine for numeric computations. The problem is that the implementation is competing with processors manufactured in bulk.

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-05 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
t...@harminc.net (Tony Harminc) writes: There *was* a single-chip 370 produced by someone in the late 70s - a 168i. I think it was a university or research institute, but not IBM. I'm not finding anything on Google with a casual search, but things like this are easily overwhelmed. SLAC did

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-05 Thread Timothy Sipples1
Yes, there are organizations that use zEnterprise servers for heavy numeric computation. Like decimal floating point. Cryptography is another excellent example. And you can buy optional CryptoExpress adapters if you want to augment the excellent capabilities found in every machine. You can also

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-05 Thread George Henke
I believe IBM produced a pc with a 370 to run VM on a PC. Merrill Lynch had one. Somewhere in the late 80's I believe. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Timothy Sipples1 sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: Yes, there are organizations that use zEnterprise servers for heavy numeric computation. Like