Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-13 Thread George Henke/NYLIC
Ahh !!! D i s c o u r a g e m e n t The devil's best tool. I'm just grateful z/VM is still alive and well and getting stronger and better every day especially with the advent of the z196 and that it is only a question of time before the compiler issue will be addressed. I could say life

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-13 Thread Dave Jones
As far as getting the new z/OS PL/I compiler over to z/VM, I'd be happy if IBM just offered it unsupported on CMS, with only a short bit of documentation noting the differences between usage in the z/OS and CMS environments, much like what IBM now does with the z/OS C/C++ port to CMS. Any

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-13 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 12/13/2010 at 11:12 EST, Dave Jones d...@vsoft-software.com wrote: As far as getting the new z/OS PL/I compiler over to z/VM, I'd be happy if IBM just offered it unsupported on CMS, with only a short bit of documentation noting the differences between usage in the z/OS and CMS

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-13 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 12/13/2010 at 09:41 EST, George Henke/NYLIC george_he...@newyorklife.com wrote: I'm just grateful z/VM is still alive and well and getting stronger and better every day especially with the advent of the z196 and that it is only a question of time before the compiler issue will

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-13 Thread McKown, John
I realize this isn't really a fair comment, but I'll say it anyway. It's why the z is going down the toilet so far as number of installations are concerned. There is no way for poor techies to contribute to the z ecosystem any more. Companies, such as the one I work for, don't want employees

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-13 Thread Tom Huegel
Maybe we can get a Windoze version of CMS to do developement... Dear Santa ... On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:56 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: I realize this isn't really a fair comment, but I'll say it anyway. It's why the z is going down the toilet so far as number

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-13 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Huegel Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 3:27 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Mandatory ESMs? Maybe we can get a Windoze version of CMS to do developement... Dear

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-13 Thread Edward M Martin
Unfortunately, I must agree. There is so much talent out there that just needs an outlet and systems to work on. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-363-5050 ext 35050 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-13 Thread George Henke/NYLIC
In our *stuck on GUI* discussion, I though it was said that KRIS was working on some GUI for z/VM, possibly CMS GUI? If so, maybe we can resurrect the CMS pig with some lipstick. Edward M Martin emar...@aultman.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 12/13/2010

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-13 Thread Tom Duerbusch
What happened to IBM had a program. If you were a developer, you could sign up and have time on one of IBMs' mainframes. Kind of like the old time sharing services back in the '60s and '70s. It seems to me that it resurfaced with Linux development but I haven't heard anything about it

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-13 Thread McKown, John
I have a vague memory of this. But I was under the impression that was was for development partners who had a business plan on how to then market their application to customers. Which indirectly benefitted IBM. And IBM had to approve your plan and you had to make reports on your progress to

Re: FTP within REXX EXEC

2010-12-13 Thread Perez, Steve S
Thanks, Clovis. Regards, Steve From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of gclo...@br.ibm.com Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 11:13 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FTP within REXX EXEC Hi, Steve. My

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-13 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 12/13/2010 at 05:06 EST, Tom Duerbusch duerbus...@stlouiscity.com wrote: IBM had a program. If you were a developer, you could sign up and have time on one of IBMs' mainframes. Kind of like the old time sharing services back in the '60s and '70s. It seems to me that it

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-13 Thread Tom Duerbusch
I don't think I ever said it should be free As a side question, isn't Cloud ComputingTime Sharing? Aren't we paying for Cloud Computing? I don't think, we, as individuals are paying into it, much...yet, but we are. Yahoo isn't free. We a flat rate, get some email services and storage

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-13 Thread George Henke/NYLIC
The problem with CMS as an application platform isn't the compilers. As others have noted, that's easily and [relatively] cheaply solved. The problem is that application developers use compilers as a means to an end, not an end in themselves. Business application programmers want to write