On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 06:30:08PM -0500, John McKown wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Edward M Martin wrote:
I would suggest to you all, IBM LAWYERS are now watch everyone
involved with this Hercules conversation.
I can say that, 1) it is illegal to run z/VM (pick a version)
under
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
Behalf Of Adam Thornton
Sent: 29 July 2009 02:26
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9
On Jul 28, 2009, at 6:32 PM, John McKown wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009
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Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:26 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9
On Jul 28
On Jul 29, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Edward M Martin wrote:
Hello Adam,
I can say that I was told, in no uncertain terms, from IBM
that it is illegal to run VM/ESA and up under Hercules.
That was a while back, and things may have changed but I have
never
seen anything to the contrary.
On Jul 29, 2009, at 1:50 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
I seem to recall it being mentioned somewhere that after the PSI
debacle IBM
amended the license terms to specifically prohibit the use of zVM
under
Emulation of any kind thus closing this loophole.
Even if it's on the same processor? That
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
Behalf Of Adam Thornton
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:59 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9
On Jul 29, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Edward M Martin wrote:
Hello Adam,
I can
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:03:59 +1000, Graeme Moss ib...@mossaustralia.com
wrote:
The company I work for is very tight with money (eg they don't pay me wh
at I
would like to receive) and the section I work for (Software Factory) onl
y
gets hand-me-down mainframes. I can see the situation arising
: Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:03:59 +1000, Graeme Moss ib...@mossaustralia.com
wrote:
The company I work for is very tight with money (eg they don't pay me wh
at I
would like to receive) and the section I work for (Software Factory) onl
y
gets hand-me-down
On 7/28/2009 at 5:03 PM, Graeme Moss ib...@mossaustralia.com wrote:
-snip-
Questions
1/ Do you think z/VM 6.1 could be installed under Hercules under Linux on a
z9 ?
Most likely it would work.
2/ Do you think IBM would allow it since it is not production?
Absolutely not. If someone
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
[mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Graeme Moss
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:04 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9
The company I work for is very tight with money (eg they
don't
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Mark Postmp...@novell.com wrote:
On 7/28/2009 at 5:03 PM, Graeme Moss ib...@mossaustralia.com wrote:
-snip-
Questions
1/ Do you think z/VM 6.1 could be installed under Hercules under Linux on a
z9 ?
Most likely it would work.
Re-reading the original
Hello Everyone,
I would suggest to you all, IBM LAWYERS are now watch everyone
involved with this Hercules conversation.
I can say that, 1) it is illegal to run z/VM (pick a version)
under Hercules, 2) they do not like it, and 3) they do not have any
sense of humor.
On Jul 28, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Edward M Martin wrote:
I can say that, 1) it is illegal to run z/VM (pick a version)
under Hercules, 2) they do not like it, and 3) they do not have any
sense of humor.
Perfectly fine to run it under Hercules on the processor z/VM is
licensed to.
Adam
But I think that's the real problem here, you can not license z/VM 6.1
on a z9 processor, so in effect you would be running unlicensed software
(z/VM 6.1) on an unsupported system (z9-Linux-Hercules-z/VM 6.1).
And, as Rob has pointed out, performance would in all likelihood be
perfectly
I don't think IBM would see you a new license for z/VM 6.1 on a z9, but if you
have an existing z/VM version 5 license with Subscription and Support, you're
entitled to version upgrades at no extra charge. Read the fine print in your
license agreement. You shouldn't expect support for z/VM
: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9
Hello Everyone,
I would suggest to you all, IBM LAWYERS are now watch everyone
involved with this Hercules conversation.
I can say that, 1) it is illegal to run z/VM (pick a version)
under Hercules, 2) they do not like
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
Behalf Of Rob van der Heij
Sent: 28 July 2009 22:26
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Mark Postmp...@novell.com wrote
On 7/28/2009 at 6:03 PM, Graeme Moss ib...@mossaustralia.com wrote:
We are licensed to run z/VM 5.x on our z9. I do not believe there is a
restriction that it must be the host system in a lpar thus running lpar -
vm - linux - hercules - vm is quite legal. I am trying to asertain should
I
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Edward M Martin wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I would suggest to you all, IBM LAWYERS are now watch everyone
involved with this Hercules conversation.
I can say that, 1) it is illegal to run z/VM (pick a version)
under Hercules, 2) they do not like it, and 3)
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Adam Thornton wrote:
On Jul 28, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Edward M Martin wrote:
I can say that, 1) it is illegal to run z/VM (pick a version)
under Hercules, 2) they do not like it, and 3) they do not have any
sense of humor.
Perfectly fine to run it under Hercules
We are licensed to run z/VM 5.x on our z9. I do not believe there is a
restriction that it must be the host system in a lpar thus running lpar
- vm - linux - hercules - vm is quite legal. I am trying to asertain
should I bother going to our procurment people to ask them to talk to IBM
about
On Jul 28, 2009, at 6:32 PM, John McKown wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Adam Thornton wrote:
On Jul 28, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Edward M Martin wrote:
I can say that, 1) it is illegal to run z/VM (pick a version)
under Hercules, 2) they do not like it, and 3) they do not have any
sense of
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