Re: [IceHorses] Breeding for Tolt

2007-07-02 Thread Janice McDonald
On 7/2/07, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so to you a tolt is rack. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo

RE: [IceHorses] Breeding for Tolt

2007-07-02 Thread Karen Thomas
Dis, well we bought her because of different reasonswe like how fluid her movements areshe is built nicly, she shows tolt out in the field, but canter seems to be her favorite gait...she will canter a lot then go down into a tolt. I'm not so sure about that - are you saying that the

RE: [IceHorses] Gait Chart

2007-07-02 Thread Skye and Sally ~Fire Island
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my take - if I can't tell if it's a slightly lateral running walk or a saddle rack...then I probably don't CARE! Both are good. Maybe someday I will be able to tell ALL gaits that precisely, but just knowing the major differences is a

Re: [IceHorses] re: Definition of Tolt

2007-07-02 Thread Skye and Sally ~Fire Island
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/2/07, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- I think that the tolt/rack is so smooth and easy to ride, that anything other than that is not what Icelandic people are looking to breed for.I i would feel

[IceHorses] Re: Tolt Definition

2007-07-02 Thread dawn_atherton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The names and definitions are already in place, and despite the fact that they don't want us to be right, some of them are using the terms today. Judy And who says semantics don't matter ;-). But I can

[IceHorses] Re: Stiffness and gaits...?

2007-07-02 Thread dawn_atherton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the contributors is a long back, particularly a long lumbar span (loins). I think that's why so many pacey horses are also prone to swaybacks. Karen Thomas, NC --PLEASE, PLEASE tell this to Osp

Re: [IceHorses] This list is so helpful..

2007-07-02 Thread Janice McDonald
i am so grateful. I just feel humbled with gratitude. It has rained three days in a row now. a decent rain. some downpours even. If it keeps up my pasture may have a chance and my poor horses won't have to think grazing is getting turned out where they have access to the stored hay... i am

Re: [IceHorses] re: Definition of Tolt

2007-07-02 Thread Janice McDonald
I said I wasnt talking from an ivory tower, not anything about YOU in an ivory tower. me. but if you think you get some attitude I am just frustrated that i keep asking and you wont say tolt is rack. I have asked how you define tolt etc. You havent said anything that indicates you think tolt

Re: [IceHorses] Breeding for Tolt

2007-07-02 Thread Janice McDonald
at the horse show they kept saying lope your horse, lope. and after about ten classes my husband turns to me and says why do they keep saying rope your horse and nobody does anything?? HAHAHAHA. but in AQHA showing, lope means a canter so slow it appears the horse is for all intents and

RE: [IceHorses] This list is so helpful..

2007-07-02 Thread Karen Thomas
You southern bells might be used to this heat, but I can't take it Wanda, we're southern BELLES, not ding-dongs... :) Karen Thomas, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [IceHorses] Re: Stiffness and gaits...?

2007-07-02 Thread Karen Thomas
--PLEASE, PLEASE tell this to Osp :-). She's got one of the longest backs I've seen on an Icelandic, but she is no where near pacey. She's very loose moving and very trotty. I'd love for her to swing over to the pacey side of things just a bit. As I said, it's a major contributing

Re: [IceHorses] This list is so helpful..

2007-07-02 Thread Janice McDonald
On 7/2/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You southern bells might be used to this heat, but I can't take it Wanda, we're southern BELLES, not ding-dongs... :) before air conditioning southern women took a nap every day in the heat of the afternoon. they would get undressed and

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Stiffness and gaits...?

2007-07-02 Thread Janice McDonald
On 7/2/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --PLEASE, PLEASE tell this to Osp :-). She's got one of the longest backs I've seen on an Icelandic, but she is no where near pacey. She's very loose moving and very trotty. I'd love for her to swing over to the pacey side of

Re: [IceHorses] This list is so helpful..

2007-07-02 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 02/07/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You southern bells might be used to this heat, but I can't take it Wanda, we're southern BELLES, not ding-dongs... :) Ha...Oh...right...I forgot my French for a minute...but maybe that was a Freudian slip? Wanda

RE: [IceHorses] Gait Chart

2007-07-02 Thread Judy Ryder
Here's my take - if I can't tell if it's a slightly lateral running walk or a saddle rack...then I probably don't CARE! But if I can't tell a step-pace from a foxtrot, then I have homework to do... Wow! Well said. I was surprised to read this post, yet delighted. This is more

[IceHorses] OT - Peacocks

2007-07-02 Thread Nancy Sturm
Janice, Where did you get your peacocks? We're having an old fashioned Fourth of July on the farm picnic Wednesday and one of our grandaughters, now a wife and mother of two, said Well, it won't be an old fashioned 4th if we can't go collect peacock feathers. We have photos of the kids with

[IceHorses] Any news on Huginn? and a Zorse!

2007-07-02 Thread Dee Dreslough
I didn't know if I missed some news or not..My email's been screwy. I'm sending good vibes his way, though. ~~~ On a lighter note, I thought this was interesting. A Zorse! A very pretty one too.

Re: [IceHorses] Kolur and the Kids

2007-07-02 Thread Laree Shulman
My Kolur is a curmudgeon on the outside but a really big hearted horse on the inside. He's just crazy for human kids too. HHH - how cute - Kolar is a sweetie pie - he wants to do the right thing always. -- Laree

[IceHorses] Horses Love Music

2007-07-02 Thread Judy Ryder
Did anyone see the little video I put together of Gaefur making music? http://iceryder.net/videoclickermusic.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com

Re: [IceHorses] Kolur and the Kids

2007-07-02 Thread Judy Ryder
My Kolur is a curmudgeon on the outside but a really big hearted horse on the inside. He's just crazy for human kids Kolar is a sweetie And we need more pictures of Kolar and Brenna! Will they let a goat kid stand on them? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com

[IceHorses] Re: Horses Love Music

2007-07-02 Thread kim morton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anyone see the little video I put together of Gaefur making music? http://iceryder.net/videoclickermusic.html Yep, I saw it. He does look like he is having fun:) Kim

RE: [IceHorses] Any news on Huginn? and a Zorse!

2007-07-02 Thread Karen Thomas
you know you're in a gaited horse crowd when someone says 'Nice Rack!' and no one gets offended. :) Oh, that's FUNNY! Has anyone heard from Huginn today...? Karen Thomas, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [IceHorses] British Championships 2007

2007-07-02 Thread Judy Ryder
Great photography; and interestingly a few horses without nosebands and boots! http://www.ihsgb.co.uk/photos_bc07.htm There are a few pictures that show gaits other than tolt can you find them (not the pace or canter pictures). Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com

Re: [IceHorses] Saddle Fit and Lameness

2007-07-02 Thread pippa258
Judy Ryder wrote: Attached are pictures of the mare's back; separately, I will send a couple of additional photos. Do you think there is a connection between the saddle fit and her issues? Here are another two pictures. Any opinions or input? That is such a narrow saddle. It

Re: [IceHorses] British Championships 2007

2007-07-02 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 02/07/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a few pictures that show gaits other than tolt can you find them (not the pace or canter pictures). http://www.ihsgb.co.uk/bc15.jpg I like how this horse looks like he's moving with some self carriage... No ewe neck, or fighting

Re: [IceHorses] British Championships 2007

2007-07-02 Thread Judy Ryder
http://www.ihsgb.co.uk/bc15.jpg What gait is the horse doing? In this one, the bit is being pulled as Nancy mentioned the other day, and the horse is objecting: http://www.ihsgb.co.uk/bc2.jpg This one is really cute (no noseband): http://www.ihsgb.co.uk/bc6.jpg Judy

[IceHorses] Re: Breeding for Tolt

2007-07-02 Thread kim morton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, lets see Bylgia came from Karin Segalshe actually bred her and used her in shows in S. California. She is unusual and just plain Fun! I know this horse, I think we have talked about this

RE: [IceHorses] British Championships 2007

2007-07-02 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Wanda I like how this horse looks like he's moving with some self carriage... No ewe neck, or fighting the bit... It is a lovely horse and rider, no ewe neck and she is riding with an Icelandic bit so there should be a slight slack in the rein because of the leverage. Sadly you mostly see the

Re: [IceHorses] Breeding for Tolt

2007-07-02 Thread Skye and Sally ~Fire Island
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/2/07, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so to you a tolt is rack. Janice-- That is what has been pushed here on this listand on page 239 of Lees book. Skye

Re: [IceHorses] British Championships 2007

2007-07-02 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 02/07/07, Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a lovely horse and rider, no ewe neck and she is riding with an Icelandic bit so there should be a slight slack in the rein because of the leverage. Sadly you mostly see the bit ridden on tight contact. Oh, I hadn't even noticed that.

Re: [IceHorses] British Championships 2007

2007-07-02 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 02/07/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.ihsgb.co.uk/bc15.jpg What gait is the horse doing? To me it looks like a saddle rack, but the foot fall is just slightly off so maybe some weighting is involved to throw it off??? Wanda

Re: [IceHorses] Horses Love Music

2007-07-02 Thread Lorraine
--- Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anyone see the little video I put together of Gaefur making music? Very cute. Is that your horse too? Happy Trails from Lori Boardwalk for $500? In

Re: [IceHorses] This list is so helpful..

2007-07-02 Thread Lorraine
You southern bells might be used to this heat, but I can't take it I hear ya there. It is about 110 here. Yikes Happy Trails from Lori Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers

[IceHorses] breast collar

2007-07-02 Thread Lorraine
Judy. Don't forget to let me know where you got that breast collar. Thanks Happy Trails from Lori Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids.

Re: [IceHorses] Lori / Dagur

2007-07-02 Thread Lorraine
--- Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lori... you're home where's the pictures of Dagur?!?!? :-) Just sent some Happy Trails from Lori We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and

Re: [IceHorses] Suggestions for sore feet

2007-07-02 Thread Karen Swingley
So many varibles... ~Cause--feed, road founder, cushings, stress etc I believe the cause was lush green spring grass plus I think she was hogging the other horse's grain(when i wasn't looking) ~horses weight She initially was overweight but after she foundered 8 wks ago, she was

Re: [IceHorses] Suggestions for sore feet

2007-07-02 Thread Karen Swingley
i would do the styrofoam bedroom slippers after you get back from the beach. Janice -- Okis this the suggestion from the gal who had the fox tied around her and her horse's neck?? I can't wait to see pics of the slippersI am thinking bunny slippers! Karen All truth passes through three

RE: [IceHorses] Breeding for Tolt

2007-07-02 Thread Skye and Sally ~Fire Island
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dis, well we bought her because of different reasonswe like how fluid her movements areshe is built nicly, she shows tolt out in the field, but canter seems to be her favorite gait...she will canter a lot then go down into a tolt.

RE: [IceHorses] Tolt Definition

2007-07-02 Thread Karen Thomas
There are a lot of breeders on that list, and a wonderful runningwalk is not what they, or I for that matter are breeding for. I want a good clear tolt/rack... If the breeders can't define either one, how the heck do they know what they want? And even the USIHC says the tolt is similar

RE: [IceHorses] British Championships 2007

2007-07-02 Thread Karen Thomas
It is a lovely horse and rider, no ewe neck and she is riding with an Icelandic bit so there should be a slight slack in the rein because of the leverage. Sadly you mostly see the bit ridden on tight contact. I noticed that a couple of the riders are using short-shanked Pelhams - very mild bits

[IceHorses] Huggin Update, Monday 7/2, NOT GOOD...

2007-07-02 Thread Judy Ryder
I just got off the phone With Raven, we talked and talked this afternoon and again this evening, The first call was the results of the scope, It showed that he has bastard Strangles... They popped/drained one abscess in his throat, they also found a suspicious spot in his belly...That was

[IceHorses] Conformation and gait

2007-07-02 Thread Karen Thomas
I just found this analysis by Liz Graves online. http://www.gaitedhorses.net/ConformationLesson/RearEnds/RearEndConformation. html And this one by Lee Ziegler: http://www.gaitedhorses.net/ConformationLesson/RearEnds/RearEndConformationB .html And some links to some more analyses.

Re: [IceHorses] Horses Love Music

2007-07-02 Thread Judy Ryder
Very cute. Is that your horse too? He was a rehab; he's gone now. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com

[IceHorses] Huginn

2007-07-02 Thread Docnshop2
God bless Huginin and Raven. Maybe we can come up with ways to help raise money for Huginin's vet bill. Renee ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

RE: [IceHorses] Huggin Update, Monday 7/2, NOT GOOD...

2007-07-02 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Thanks for the update. This is so very sad. I went to teach a workshop in Missouri a few years ago. I arrived and was walking through the barn and heard some horses cough, looked in saw really snotty noses and swollen lymph nodes. I asked the owner if she had strangles, she said yes but

[IceHorses] Huggin Update, Monday 7/2, NOT GOOD...

2007-07-02 Thread Bia
not sure if this got to icehorsesi got it from another list but here it is again anyway. If you already got it Judy, sorry please just edit it. I feel so terrible for Raven and Huggin. I've been trying to have all good thoughts for them and I was hoping for better news. I wonder what she

Re: [IceHorses] Huggin Update, Monday 7/2, NOT GOOD...

2007-07-02 Thread gemstonerotts
I have had this happen with my showdogs. I have GE Money bank cards called Care Credit Cards and most big facilities take them. I believe the one huge place here in San Diego, Helen Woodward Center, put me onto the credit line because my dog had Cancer. Ch Gemstones Diamond of Lucene died a

[IceHorses] Re: Huggin Update, Monday 7/2, NOT GOOD...

2007-07-02 Thread Maggie Hults
Just a thought-there are 1200 members on this list, if each sent her $10 (2 fast food meals or 3 trips to Starbucks) that would cover it 1200 x $10 = $12,000 that and find the people who vet checked her horse... what is her address (Huginn's mom not the vet checkers) Maggie

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Huggin Update, Monday 7/2, NOT GOOD...

2007-07-02 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 02/07/07, Maggie Hults [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a thought-there are 1200 members on this list, if each sent her $10 (2 fast food meals or 3 trips to Starbucks) that would cover it 1200 x $10 = $12,000 that and find the people who vet checked her horse... what is her address (Huginn's

Re: [IceHorses] Dagur

2007-07-02 Thread Nancy Sturm
He's beautiful! Congratulations. Nancy

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Huggin Update, Monday 7/2, NOT GOOD...

2007-07-02 Thread Dee Dreslough
On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 03:10 +, Maggie Hults wrote: Just a thought-there are 1200 members on this list, if each sent her $10 (2 fast food meals or 3 trips to Starbucks) that would cover it 1200 x $10 = $12,000 that and find the people who vet checked her horse... what is her address

Re: [IceHorses] breast collar

2007-07-02 Thread Nancy Sturm
Great photo! What kind of a horse was Old Red? Nancy

Re: [IceHorses] what gait is this

2007-07-02 Thread susan cooper
--- Denise Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caught my filly doing something when I snaped this shot. What is it? Looks like a trot above the grass gait. Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/

Re: [IceHorses] Huggin Update, Monday 7/2, NOT GOOD...

2007-07-02 Thread Nancy Sturm
I am so sorry to read such bad news. I can't imagine that the hospital wouldn't take payments or even a credit card, allowing Raven some time to gather resources. One of our adult daughters pays for her son's horse activities by making wonderful wedding cakes. She gets very anxious when she

Re: [IceHorses] Dagur

2007-07-02 Thread susan cooper
Ohh, now you have matched palominos! He looks sweet, smart, and easy going! Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet

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