Re: [IceHorses] a sad thing happened to my old gelding (a bit off topic)

2007-09-07 Thread Lorraine
, > Sigh my poor old boy is a trooper though. > Bia > > I am so sorry. That must have been awful. A simular thing happened to my qtr/arab once. He had a huge gouch out of his chest. His skin was just hanging there with red insides. Lorraine __

Re: [IceHorses] The coyote enters the Majan Empire

2007-09-07 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 07/09/2007, Robyn Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm glad you only let them out when you're out with them. I don't know > if coyotes have learned to pack-hunt back your way, but they do it > here. One will lure a dog away, and then the others circle back around > and close in on the dog.

Re: [IceHorses] The coyote enters the Majan Empire

2007-09-07 Thread Robyn Schulze
> > Simon and Connie are English Setters, Simon a big one at about 70 pounds. > Connie is about 40 pounds, and Betty Sue (Jack Russell) is only about 15 > pounds. They are either in the house or in the fenced yard, only loose if > we are outside with them. I hope that Simon and Connie would prote

Re: [IceHorses] a sad thing happened to my old gelding (a bit off topic)

2007-09-07 Thread Judy Ryder
> walking but I will most likely not be able to ride him again. Think positive, Bia! We will all visualize that he is walking good, feels good, heals properly, and loves to be ridden. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com

Re: [IceHorses] Charm's Mane Blew Away!

2007-09-07 Thread Judy Ryder
> I will have to ask Debbie about Cotton's mane... his is more like Charm's, > the short puffy popcorn, cotton candy type of mane. Debby says that Cotton always has a full thick mane, but that some of the other Icelandics rub their manes off on the pipe corrals. So, perhaps that's what's happe

Re: [IceHorses] a sad thing happened to my old gelding (a bit off topic)

2007-09-07 Thread Robyn Schulze
On 9/7/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh Bia, what a shame for him - and for you. I'm sorry. > > I have seen some amazing recoveries over the years. I wouldn't write him > off just yet. Sorry to hear about your horse Bia. Hang in there--things happen w/ horses. One vet told me, "

Re: [IceHorses] The coyote enters the Majan Empire

2007-09-07 Thread Karen Thomas
I was just looking at this website - I assume the information is accurate: http://www.desertusa.com/video_pages/coyote_movie.html Here's another page for the same site: http://www.desertusa.com/june96/du_cycot.html#anchor743940 Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgo

RE: [IceHorses] The coyote enters the Majan Empire

2007-09-07 Thread Karen Thomas
I don't know what size Simon, Connie and Betty Sue are, but coyotes will get your small dogs and any cats. I don't think I would be very comfortable with one being that close. Coyotes are really more of a threat in this regard than foxes. Annie I was just looking at this website - I assume

RE: [IceHorses] a sad thing happened to my old gelding (a bit off topic)

2007-09-07 Thread Cherie Mascis
Poor baby...the hopeful thing is, large muscle wounds, even when deep often heal pretty well. Let's hope that happens with your gelding. Cherie

Re: [IceHorses] The coyote enters the Majan Empire

2007-09-07 Thread Annie Shields
Karen, I don't know what size Simon, Connie and Betty Sue are, but coyotes will get your small dogs and any cats. I don't think I would be very comfortable with one being that close. Coyotes are really more of a threat in this regard than foxes. Annie

Re: [IceHorses] a sad thing happened to my old gelding (a bit off topic)

2007-09-07 Thread Nancy Sturm
Oh Bia, what a shame for him - and for you. I'm sorry. I have seen some amazing recoveries over the years. I wouldn't write him off just yet. Nancy

Re: [IceHorses] Nancy's what breed pictures

2007-09-07 Thread Nancy Sturm
That's so funny - or at least to me. Moony left the track in Oregon, perfectly sound, but slow. I took him to a dressage show and he tried to jump sideways off the dressage court. I also did some really challenging trail rides on him and tried a little cow cutting. He was so sensitive to aids

Re: [IceHorses] Starting Horses

2007-09-07 Thread Judy Ryder
I think that taking up too much contact, too soon, may cause problems for horses, mysterious lameness issues which may not show up until age 10, 11, 12, etc., behavior problems, pain. I think all horses may benefit from being started without a bit. And all horses may benefit from being start

RE: [IceHorses] a sad thing happened to my old gelding (a bit off topic)

2007-09-07 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> He is walking but I will most likely not be able to ride him again. I feel so bad for him because I rescued him, skin and bones. I hate for this to happen. Oh, Bia, I'm so sorry! I hope he's better soon. Do you remember the horrible wound that our Arab had back in 2004? When we think he wa

Re: [IceHorses] Nancy's what breed pictures

2007-09-07 Thread Anna Hopkins
> > >>> Right again, he was an off-track Quarter Horse. His grandfather was a > popular Thoroughbred named Jet Deck that sired a lot of successful running > quarter horses. > > > That is too funny. The chestnut QH, whose pic I sent yesterday? I consider > him "foundation QH" because most of his

Re: [IceHorses] Differences -- Janice

2007-09-07 Thread Pam Hansen
>>> Differences<<< Lets see, I have owned 2 walkers, 2 fox trotters, and a paso fino. 2 Walkers- one had a fabulous gait but kinda hot sometimes and was way to big, the other has a terrible hard pace and is also somewhat spooky ( I still have him and love him but hard to ride even at the walk. 2 f

RE: [IceHorses] Re: Differences -- Janice

2007-09-07 Thread Karen Thomas
I do find my Icelandics to be easier to handle, not really spooky, not much spook to speak of at all, although Snorri was afraid of some objects for a while. I'm not totally sure if he is over it, I will find out. I think my young Icelandic's are, on average, braver and more outgoing than an

[IceHorses] a sad thing happened to my old gelding (a bit off topic)

2007-09-07 Thread Bia
I left the house last saturday for 3 hours to go and help some friends at their tobacco farm. When I returned I went out to feed as usual. I check my horses all the time when I'm home, mind you... I was putting the bowls down when up walk the horses and to my shock my older gelding (23 years) ap

RE: [IceHorses] Random note on hay bale weights, etc.

2007-09-07 Thread Karen Thomas
I am just happy I haven't had to ship it from Pennsylvania or some other distant place. Annie That sure was a leap of faith for us - we'd never ordered a tractor-trailer load of hay before, sight unseen. My cousin is taking about 1/3 of it. The sizes of the bales aren't consistent, or ra

[IceHorses] Re: Differences -- Janice

2007-09-07 Thread Kim Morton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can get a *general* idea of differences between breeds, but always look > at the individual horse as you may find the perfect horse by doing so. > > If you like short, Icelandics have it, altho we had a 14 hand TWH

RE: [IceHorses] Differences -- Janice

2007-09-07 Thread Karen Thomas
If you like gaited, TWH are more gaited, in my opinion, than Icelandics. I think "more gaited" probably needs some clarification. If you mean that there are fewer three-gaited TWH than you'd find in Icelandic's, I'd totally agree. I can't even think of a three-gaited TWH. But nothing is w

RE: [IceHorses] Re: Charm's Mane Blew Away!

2007-09-07 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> The other horses have had some thinning of their manes (not chewing, just more hairs coming out in the brush). That's normal. Ima's may do that, now that you mention it. I thought it was just because she got into cockleburs last year, but I'll watch more carefully this year. OR, maybe it o

Re: [IceHorses] Random note on hay bale weights, etc.

2007-09-07 Thread Annie Shields
Karen, I agree, it's also been a scary summer for hay here in Georgia. I had a bit of luck in May, before we knew we had a hay crisis. I leased my one non-Icelandic to a very good riding camp a mile or so from me and took Chigger's "salary" in fescue instead of dollars. (It's all green stuff!) S

Re: [IceHorses] Charm's Mane Blew Away!

2007-09-07 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 07/09/2007, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I will have to ask Debbie about Cotton's mane... his is more like Charm's, > the short puffy popcorn, cotton candy type of mane. Eir's mane is more like > that of a regular horse, but nice waves in it. Gusti's mane is like that...but it tends

Re: [IceHorses] Differences -- Janice

2007-09-07 Thread Judy Ryder
Walkers and Icelandics -- it would probably be > difficult to choose which you prefer so I'll ask what are the > differences, other than height? You can get a *general* idea of differences between breeds, but always look at the individual horse as you may find the perfect horse by doing so.

Re: [IceHorses] Charm's Mane Blew Away!

2007-09-07 Thread Judy Ryder
do you know if Cotton or Eir blow their manes too? Eir does not, but she, like the others, do go thru a thinning / shedding process. I will have to ask Debbie about Cotton's mane... his is more like Charm's, the short puffy popcorn, cotton candy type of mane. Eir's mane is more like that

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Charm's Mane Blew Away!

2007-09-07 Thread Judy Ryder
> That's interesting about Charm's mane. My gelding is laughed at by > others because of his "big hair." Send some pictures; we won't laugh! > Even with the heat wave we've had > in my area, his mane didn't become any thinner. Last year, I > partially roached his mane. Then I felt bad because

RE: [IceHorses] Differences -- Janice

2007-09-07 Thread Skye and Sally ~Fire Island
You probably won't find a three-gaited (w/t/c) TWH > though, > certainly nt many, while there are Icelandic's who are described as > "four-gaited" that I don't consider to have much natural gait - but > they can > be excellent horses too, if you aren't gait-obsessed. Gaits are > gaits, > whatever

Re: [IceHorses] Differences -- Janice

2007-09-07 Thread Robyn Schulze
On 9/7/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So most of the difference is in temperament? How about comparing > Icelandics with Pasos and other gaited breeds? Is it all only temperament? > > > This is very vague, Virginia, and I don't know how to clarify it...but I've > never seen su

[IceHorses] Re: Charm's Mane Blew Away!

2007-09-07 Thread cjaylayne
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > All of a sudden, Charm's mane is short and thin and her forelock is gone. > It's been shedding away. > > Odd how some horses shed their manes and others don't. Hi Judy: That's interesting about Charm's mane. My gelding

RE: [IceHorses] Differences -- Janice

2007-09-07 Thread Karen Thomas
So most of the difference is in temperament? How about comparing Icelandics with Pasos and other gaited breeds? Is it all only temperament? This is very vague, Virginia, and I don't know how to clarify it...but I've never seen such an "old soul" nature, even spirituality maybe, in any bree

RE: [IceHorses] Differences -- Janice

2007-09-07 Thread Karen Thomas
So most of the difference is in temperament? How about comparing Icelandics with Pasos and other gaited breeds? Is it all only temperament? Well, gaits are gaits, whatever the gaited breed, so I'd take that off the table right off the bat. Mainly decide what gaits are important to you and

Re: [IceHorses] Differences -- Janice

2007-09-07 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 9/7/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Janice you have Walkers and Icelandics -- it would probably be difficult > to choose which you prefer so I'll ask what are the differences, other than > height? > > > I'm not Janice, nor do I play her on the Internet, but I'll give you my > u

RE: [IceHorses] Differences -- Janice

2007-09-07 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> Janice you have Walkers and Icelandics -- it would probably be difficult to choose which you prefer so I'll ask what are the differences, other than height? I'm not Janice, nor do I play her on the Internet, but I'll give you my unsolicited two-cents worth. This might be an interesting test

[IceHorses] Differences -- Janice

2007-09-07 Thread Virginia Tupper
Janice you have Walkers and Icelandics -- it would probably be difficult to choose which you prefer so I'll ask what are the differences, other than height? Just curious, V

RE: [IceHorses] hay

2007-09-07 Thread Karen Thomas
I am set for this year but really appreciate the offer. I know some folks that will buy the extra hay from you but I would like to see it go to folks on the list first. If you aren't able to sell it that way, let me know and I'll hook you up with these other folks I saw our NY hay this mor

Re: [IceHorses] Re: The coyote enters the Majan Empire

2007-09-07 Thread Janice McDonald
I forgot to tell you Karen, we don't have goats because the only ones we ever had were killed and taken off by coyotes. They were about the size of a newborn foal at least. You could see by the tracks where they dug under the fence that it was a pack of them. So I would not trust them around sma

Re: [IceHorses] Behind The Vertical

2007-09-07 Thread Janice McDonald
haha i was sitting here writing and heard something and looked and stonewall was staring in the bedroom window at me, actually slimed the glass! what a character... i have them turned out in front, in the yard today cause thats where the grass needs cutting :) i already had to smack curly ray f

Re: [IceHorses] Behind The Vertical

2007-09-07 Thread Janice McDonald
> > That rider looks awfully braced - I would guess the horse dived behind > the vertical and her seat was so insecure she was almost jerked out > the saddle. > > Mic > the first time I ever rode at nite, I was terrified and there was no moon, it was black dark in the deep woods. Jaspar was green

Re: [IceHorses] hay

2007-09-07 Thread Laree Shulman
I purchased a truck load and > plan to sell what did not fit in my hay loft. > Renee - I am set for this year but really appreciate the offer. I know some folks that will buy the extra hay from you but I would like to see it go to folks on the list first. If you aren't able to sell it that

Re: [IceHorses] Charm's Mane Blew Away!

2007-09-07 Thread Bernadette
Great picture Judy! I have a question for you.. do you know if Cotton or Eir blow their manes too? Bernadette

Re: [IceHorses] Nancy's what breed pictures

2007-09-07 Thread Nancy Sturm
That's an amazing connection! Jet Deck sired some very nice foals. One of the early quarter horses we owned was a Poco Bueno grandson, very bulldog type horse. Another was by a well-liked horse named Solis Cogdell by Wimpy P1, the first registered quarter horse. I had no idea at the time what

RE: [IceHorses] Nancy's what breed pictures

2007-09-07 Thread Karen Thomas
The photographer must have tipped his camera. This was actually a very well-balanced horse, but in the picture, he looks like he's standing downhill. Nancy, my husband gets more pictures of grass blades, cats, hawks circling overhead, whatever, than he does horses, so believe me, I'm not fa

[IceHorses] horse weight

2007-09-07 Thread Wanda Lauscher
This spring we left Elska out on what we thought was a weedy pasture. Elska responded by gaining so much weight she nearly hit 1,000 lbs before we caught on to what was going on. We've got her back on the schedule we use for everyone else around here. Four hours of turnout on that 'weedy' pastur

Re: [IceHorses] Nancy's what breed pictures

2007-09-07 Thread Nancy Sturm
I'm not sure. I'll have to see if there is a date on the back of that win photo. The horse's registered name was Moony's Mine, but that was in the days when a group called the Moonies met travelers in the San Francisco airport with handsaful of flowers and the new owner changed his name. Did you

Re: [IceHorses] Nancy's what breed pictures

2007-09-07 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 06/09/2007, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I thought the same thing when I saw the photo, it wasn't straight and I > agree that by today's standards this is nowhere near overbent. However, > Nancy is correct that by the standards I grew up with this horse's poll is > not the highest po

Re: [IceHorses] Over-bent (BTV) - discomfort

2007-09-07 Thread Wanda Lauscher
Just to be clear about behind the vertical (BTV)...when we're looking at pics the highest point on a horse should be it's poll ...correct? If it's anything beyond that then the horse is BTV? Wanda

RE: [IceHorses] Nancy's what breed pictures

2007-09-07 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Nancy >>>He went on down to Pebble Beach, CA, where he was a very successful Three Day Event horse When was that? I evented for a few years at Pebble Beach. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com

Re: [IceHorses] Gracie's scar

2007-09-07 Thread Nancy Sturm
She really got kicked! Nancy

Re: [IceHorses] Nancy's what breed pictures

2007-09-07 Thread Nancy Sturm
You are all both very kind and very astute. The photographer must have tipped his camera. This was actually a very well-balanced horse, but in the picture, he looks like he's standing downhill. He also cut his feet off. Right again, he was an off-track Quarter Horse. His grandfather was a popu

RE: [IceHorses] Over-bent (BTV) - discomfort

2007-09-07 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi It is interesting that so many people, of every breed, think it is 'pretty' picture when a horse is behind the vertical (and I mean deep rather than just a bit behind). When you are sitting on the horse the only part of the body you can see that might indicate if you horse is 'collected' is the

RE: [IceHorses] Behind The Vertical

2007-09-07 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> At 65, I'm a lot more interested in trying to be light in seat and hands and give my horse the easiest possible way of carrying my aging and heavier body. My toes are pointing out and my feet are flat. Oh well. I'm lucky to still be riding at all. You have a few years on me, but after I br

[IceHorses] Over-bent (BTV) - discomfort

2007-09-07 Thread Karen Thomas
I snagged this picture from a little video of Gracie, the QH X Mustang who I bought as a weanling. She was fine under saddle for her first 2-3 years, then developed a bucking problem out of the blue. After over a year of giving her time off, restarting her from the ground, and many medical tests

RE: [IceHorses] Nancy's what breed pictures

2007-09-07 Thread Karen Thomas
I thought the same thing when I saw the photo, it wasn't straight and I agree that by today's standards this is nowhere near overbent. However, Nancy is correct that by the standards I grew up with this horse's poll is not the highest point of elevation so technically he is overbent (by a smi