believe me, a good racker will trot in the field!
Janice--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
ok. Dumb question. but what is a rack?
Lorraine
I actually have no clue about any of this. I would
only look at Icelandics
that gaited at liberty, thinking (wrongly I now
hear) that I would need to
see them gait in the pasture to buy one that would
gait under saddle.
Nancy
All I knew is that the lady that owned him said he
2008/6/2 Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I actually have no clue about any of this. I would only look at Icelandics
that gaited at liberty, thinking (wrongly I now hear) that I would need to
see them gait in the pasture to buy one that would gait under saddle.
When I first got into Icelandics
2008/6/2 Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Let's toss around the idea of natural and artificial gaits.
Here's a couple of images:
The pic of Nanna looks so balancedl, so easy, so economical (I think
Nancy used that word to describe an easy gait). You just know any
offspring of hers would have
I'm assuming Icelandics aren't that common in your area. I remember once
when I was out ditch riding with Lord, a woman drove by and came
to a screeching halt.
I had a terrific 14.1 h driving pony once. I drove him down our 1/2 mile
dirt driveway and then along the shoulder of a paved
2008/6/2 Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I got so sick of everyone thinking Teev was a haflinger. Now I showed
Trausti's picture to sylvia and she blurted oh wow, he looks just
like a paso!
I'm assuming Icelandics aren't that common in your area. I remember
once when I was out ditch
What pointers? We all want to know!!
I had Drifa on a fairly lose rein through this, only tightened up to
change direction or speed (and a lot of that doesn't come from the
reins)
Trot to tolt - ask the hindquarters to move over a little - and she
stepped right into the tolt. He also said that
no. not mine and I haven't read it yet! janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
We haven't tried this yet, but it is worth a try
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Trot to tolt - ask the hindquarters to move over a little - and she
stepped right into the tolt.
Functionally, why does this work? What effect does it have on the position
of the horse's body and why does that cause him to move into tolt? I'm not
being argumentative. I just do better
That she's worrying about the wrong end of the horse...
Way to go Wanda That's the best answer I've heard ever. I get sick of the
concept that a gaited horse needs a special (read more severe) bit. Hunter,
who is a racking fool, goes bitless, but also racked just as well in a
French link
but what is a heritable trait is the willingness to learn and please
the owner. (Otherwise known as good character and temperament.) Good
training does maximise the potential of a horse but if the horse does
not have natural talent then it will not get the perfect 10 for all
its gaits no
Hi Judy
I just got a pair of MBT shoes. Very interesting concept.
They are comfortable to wear and are supposed to keep you in better shape,
improve your posture, and eliminate joint stress.
Anyone have them?
I know several people who have worn them for 3-5 years and find them really
Mic contends that little emphasis is placed on some of the more
serious conformation faults such as crooked legs, poor hooves, cow
hocks etc - if the horse has enough speed and high action, these can
increase the overall mark substantially so that conformation faults
are overshadowed.
I
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:39:16 -0700, you wrote:
A lady wrote to me this morning asking which bit to use to get tolt.
What would you tell her?
Whatever bit the horse is comfortable being ridden in, and you as a
rider are happy using - or no bit at all, if that works for you and
the horse.
Mic
This comment was made by our current breeding leader. and I wondered
how people here would feel about it?:
Mic, I wasn't sure if Nick wrote the whole thing, or if he wrote the first
half and you responded in the last half. It just wasn't clear to me who was
saying what.
Judy
They are comfortable to wear and are supposed to keep you in better shape,
improve your posture, and eliminate joint stress.
Mary Midkiff mentions them in her newsletter this month.
Anyone have them?
i do. i think they were good for my ankles. they're now worn out
enough that i only
A lady wrote to me this morning asking which bit to use to get tolt.
What would you tell her?
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
There's been a discussion of breeding on the UK icelandic horse
society members list.
This comment was made by our current breeding leader. and I wondered
how people here would feel about it?:
I would like to clarify a few misunderstandings.
Nick wrote:
A cautionary note here is that the FEIF
An excerpt from
Eat That Frog!
By Brian Tracy
Here is a great rule for success: Think on paper.
Only about 3 percent of adults have clear, written goals. These people
accomplish five or ten times as much as people of equal or better education
and ability but who, for whatever reason, have
don't worry about it. in 25 years it will be just like walkers and
rackers... people looking for a great sound naturally gaited horse
will be looking for the old foundation non showhorse lines. history
repeats itself. janice
I just got a pair of MBT shoes. Very interesting concept.
They are comfortable to wear and are supposed to keep you in better shape,
improve your posture, and eliminate joint stress.
Mary Midkiff mentions them in her newsletter this month.
Anyone have them?
Judy
http://iceryder.net
2008/6/3 Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
A lady wrote to me this morning asking which bit to use to get tolt.
What would you tell her?
That she's worrying about the wrong end of the horse...
Wanda
--
Thoughts become things...
Since you're keeping the manure around, I have had good luck with fly
parasites. I spread them on the manure every couple of weeks and it
seems to
make a big difference. It costs about $30 every two weeks, but we
are all
happier for it. I start mid may and finish in October.
Hi,
I tried
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 08:23:18 -0700, you wrote:
Mic, I wasn't sure if Nick wrote the whole thing, or if he wrote the first
half and you responded in the last half. It just wasn't clear to me who was
saying what.
Sorry, it is rather unclear - it's written by the UK breeding leader
Tim in
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 08:31:36 -0700, you wrote:
What type of system bases gait scored on manipulated gaits and expects
future generations to inherit them?
Agreed.
It seems to me that the judges, trainers, and breeders don't know
conformation or gaits!
In what way do you disagree with the FIZO
2008/6/3 Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
A lady wrote to me this morning asking which bit to use to get tolt.
What would you tell her?
To get her thinking about this, I'd probably start out by asking her if she
needs different bits to get walk, trot, and canter.
Hopefully, she'll say no. :
Hi
http://horsemanship101.com/John-Lyons-Training-Newsletter/Issues/Improving
-Attitudes.html
So who thinks this is a good idea? How about chunking down exercises and
helping horses learn what you want instead of don't want? What about
clicker training and building a relationship instead of
Here's a question from a Pacific Northwest endurance riders' group.
There's also a thing clicker training people do I always thought would
be worth trying. I'm not sure exactly how to work it for pulsing down,
but you reward the animal for doing the right behavior (relaxing and
pulsing down in
--- Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about
chunking down exercises and
helping horses learn what you want instead of don't
want? What about
clicker training and building a relationship instead
of dictatorship
EXACTLY! Since I went with clicker training, it has
changed my outlook
In what way do you disagree with the FIZO goals for conformation? Or
do you? I personally think the goals are OK but all too often the
judges don't see bad faults on horses with great speed and action -
and often they also don't see fairly obvious conformation faults.
I haven't studied the
How about
chunking down exercises and
helping horses learn what you want instead of don't
want? What about
clicker training and building a relationship instead
of dictatorship
EXACTLY! Since I went with clicker training, it has
changed my outlook on everything in my life.
Laura, where in Southern Ontario are you located? I am just west of
London with my Pada and Bjarki ( and other non-Icelandics), who both
just turned four and need to be worked with.
Monica,
I am in Brantford. Atli and Bjalla are 10 and 9. They do about 30 - 40 miles
of fast trail
--- Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any of you clicker trainers think it might be
possible to teach a horse to
relax to the degree that his heart rate would slow
with clicker training?
I'm still working with the ear touches. Hunter has
learned to think it's
pretty special, but
Any of you clicker trainers think it might be possible to teach a horse to
relax to the degree that his heart rate would slow with clicker training?
I'm not an endurance or clicker training expert but I taught Doppa the
head down cue using the clicker and I know that relaxes her.
--
Laree
Drinking and eating kept her HR up to about 70. What Whisper LOVES and got
her under 60 and stayed there
was her tail pulls! I will remember that!
It seems to be very individual. Hunter will pulse down when he drinks and
pees, but can't eat until he's down. My friend's horse pulses down
Finally, I'd ask why she thought she would need a special bit. . (because
I'd be curious where THAT notion came from!)
She was told to use a Wonder Bit to get tolt.
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
There's also a thing clicker training people do I always thought would
be worth trying. I'm not sure exactly how to work it for pulsing down,
but you reward the animal for doing the right behavior (relaxing and
pulsing down in this case), when it does. Then you introduce the clicker
into the
Give Your Horse a Want-To Attitude
http://horsemanship101.com/John-Lyons-Training-Newsletter/Issues/Improving-Attitudes.html
So who thinks this is a good idea? How about chunking down exercises and
helping horses learn what you want instead of don't want? What about
clicker training
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:16:48 -0700, you wrote:
we are in the 21st century where we have the available technology to do
replay to see the winging, cross-tracking
As a for instance, it seems common for judges to note that a horse
is very close behind while standing or walking, but if the legs are
As a for instance, it seems common for judges to note that a horse
is very close behind while standing or walking, but if the legs are
further apart when it trots, the mark given is raised.
You're kidding?!?!
I have never yet seen bad winging or cross tracking at a breeding show.
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:58:41 -0700, you wrote:
I have never yet seen bad winging or cross tracking at a breeding show.
Really? Where are all those winging pictures coming from?
US breed shows, or at least the ones I've seen on this list anyway!
; )
I've seen plenty of winging Icelandics, but
She was told to use a Wonder Bit to get tolt.
yep. cranks that head up til his ears are in your face. been there.
done it. and he gaits great without it. it made him pace.
janice
Really? Where are all those winging pictures coming from?
US breed shows, or at least the ones I've seen on this list anyway!
; )
I've seen plenty of winging Icelandics, but not really bad ones being
assessed.
Can you point us to some video and pictures of a breeding eval?
Judy
2008/5/30 Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
http://horsemanship101.com/John-Lyons-Training-Newsletter/Issues/Improving-Attitudes.html
I've read this over a few times, and I can't count the number of times
he said the word 'work'...
He sounds like a guy that has forgotten how to have fun... Perhaps
This guy is a crackup! Not sure if his horse is an Icelandic...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foH4eTovuZUfeature=related
Trish
Really? Where are all those winging pictures coming from?
US breed shows, or at least the ones I've seen on this list anyway! ; )
You never watch the Landsmott and World Championship videos...? And you've
never watched the Walter Feldman videos?
Karen Thomas, NC
I haven't studied the conformation goals; I would guess that they would
be OK... but, like you say, not being recognized.
I DID study them, in detail when I was starting to breed. They are so vague
that they are meaningless.
wasn't as good or something like that - and the judge told me
If we do not use a system it is like 'pinning the tail on the donkey'.
We have an excellent internationally recognised well documented system
of assessment and we should use it to help us make informed decisions.
Are the odds of pinning the tail in the correct place on the donkey
better
Trot to tolt - ask the hindquarters to move over a little - and she
stepped right into the tolt.
Functionally, why does this work? What effect does it have on the
position of the horse's body and why does that cause him to move into
tolt? I'm not being argumentative. I just do better
My heavens! That guy is a crack up and the horse has put up with more than
any horse shouild have to. He would benefit from a week of R R at the
Florida Fat Circus Pony Training Facility.
Nancy
Liz Graves had me lift up on the reins slightly and shift my weight back
a little to find tolt. I don't like to do it this way because I don't
want to have to hold her head up at all (personal preference).
Dave's way worked better for us - but I had only had Drifa for a couple of
months at
where THAT notion came from!)
She was told to use a Wonder Bit to get tolt.
Oy. If *they* aren't telling people to nail on gait, they are advising to
strap it on in some fashion. It just never ends.
There's always newbies who believe. Sigh.
-- Renee M. in Michigan
2008/6/3 Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
She was told to use a Wonder Bit to get tolt.
Is that that strange combo noseband thing with more hardware on it
than the kitchen sink?
Wanda
Oh wow! That is poster beautiful.
Nancy
Our daughter and grandaughter saw the black and white photo of Melnir and
Flekka that I matted, framed and hung over Stephanie's bed. Daughter
Jennie came out of the room saying WHERE did you get that wonderful
photograph?
Hope you don't mind. I printed them a copy too.
Nancy
At the breeding evaluations in Georgia last month both judges said that
there is a big push to get a lot of feathers back in the breed. I heard them
make several comments on not enough feathers. I think feathers are pretty
but
one cannot ride feathers. I also find it rather funny that I
I heard them make several comments on not enough feathers.
Oh shoot. I guess I blew it when I clipped Tosca's off. I confess I loved
the gorgeous flaxen feathers on a Welsh cob filly I once owned. They were
luxuriant and beautiful. I'm afraid the crossbred Tosca would fail the
feather
Our daughter and grandaughter saw the black and white photo of Melnir and
Flekka that
I matted, framed and hung over Stephanie's bed. Daughter Jennie came out
of the room
saying WHERE did you get that wonderful photograph? Hope you don't mind.
I printed
them a copy too.
Oh, I
make several comments on not enough feathers.
That's so silly. Why don't they concentrate on getting good legs? or
horses that don't need protective boots lest they cut their own leg off if
they move (Breed the Boots Out of the Breed).
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
Here's a video of our daughter singing at the Sound of Music Hall (it was
dark, so not much video but audio is pretty good):
http://my.videoegg.com/video/fyxToM
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
He sure is a pretty youngster. I think for flat out pretty from your place,
it would be hartd to top this year's filly.
Nancy
very nice voice. you must be proud. ;p]
Raven
Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze
http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess
Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
pretty ponies.
Raven
Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze
http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess
Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Even using the little cheapy speakers that came with my computer, it
sounds like she has quite a talent.
Nancy
Here's a little video that I took today, of the pony on the platform:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-wTDo-tb0ac
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
Trot to tolt - ask the hindquarters to move over a little - and
she
stepped right into the tolt.
Functionally, why does this work? What effect does it have on the
position of the horse's body and why does that cause him to move
into
tolt? I'm not being argumentative. I just do
Trot to tolt - ask the hindquarters to move over a little - and
she
stepped right into the tolt.
Functionally, why does this work? What effect does it have on the
position of the horse's body and why does that cause him to move
into
tolt? I'm not being argumentative. I just do
Nanna is doing a running walk in this video, which is a four-beat
gait that is square (versus the four-beat tolt which is lateral).
Oh, nuts. And I now remember the bit about the footfalls. What is the
difference between the running walk and the tolt?
Tolt is a four-beat gait, but it's a
2008/6/3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Drifa does a lot of gaits - walk, trot canter, tolt, pace and a bunch
more. David just watched her go for a little bit and then said move
her hindquarters over a little and I did, and she tolted.
Move the HQ over a little...that's interesting.
2008/6/3 Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Both saddle rack and running walk are even four-beat gaits.
Both saddle rack and running walk are two foot / three foot support.
The difference is that saddle rack is a lateral gait and running walk is a
square gait.
Do you have a video of Nanna doing
where THAT notion came from!)
She was told to use a Wonder Bit to get tolt.
Oy. If *they* aren't telling people to nail on gait, they are
advising to
strap it on in some fashion. It just never ends.
There's always newbies who believe. Sigh.
-- Renee M. in Michigan
There are also those
Here's a little video that I took today, of the pony on the platform:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-wTDo-tb0ac
Judy
He sure is cute - and doing very well. Drifa loves to go on
platforms, front feet or hind or all four and will do things up there
for me too. I think that she likes being as
Speaking of weight loss - Raven you need to join this conversation. How much
have you lost?
35 lbs. got 10-15 left to lose.
Raven
Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze
http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess
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