>pushers- that all started with people saying if your horse's head is up he
>is not relaxed...well guess what? That is sometimes true and sometimes
>NOT...a horse can be curious or interested and have his head above his
>wither and still be relaxed and happy. I don't want to forc
>>open mouths...I don't see it as the same thing as the photos with the horses
>>with tight
nosebands and the reins applying many pounds of pressure to the horse's
mouth - which is different than having a light contact on the reins. <<
Exactly...the obsession with having the mouth closed is prob
> Sod's law, I can't find any at the moment, though this one shows
> flecks of foam on the chest of the pinto (all 3 horses are bitless).
While it's good for a horse's mouth to be moist (versus dry), excess foam is
not a good thing. It can indicate stress.
I think possibly the riders may be
Horses opening their mouths: Hunter, not an Icelandic, but a TWH, does all
sorts of weird things with his mouth. I tried the snaffle bit I have always
preferred and a kimberwick, but he fussed and fumed and could "run through"
the snaffle. Finally, I tried the S-hack that many endurance riders
Sorry for sending such a huge file!!!
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
---
Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs:
www.solva-icelandics.co.uk
--
Hi Judy
>>>What type of occasions are the horses opening their mouths (i.e. what
activity, circumstances)?
I have seen horses open their mouths without a bit - actually even with a
neck ring I have seen it once or twice - have never gotten a photo. I've
seen it with Icelandics but other breeds
>>Do they open their mouths at liberty? with sidepulls?
>>
> Occasionally they do. I was quite surprised to notice when judging how
> often horses in sidepulls do actually open their mouths, and also foam
> at the mouth, when ridden.
Ohmigosh! You're kidding?!??!
Are these Icelandics?
Can yo
i have always heard foam wasnt a bad thing. some materials such as
copper make more foam and its supposed to be nice for them to have a
lubricated mouth. What gets me is the tight nosebands OUCH and the
way the noseband goes across and jams the bit HIGH in the corners of
the mouth. This means no
>>> Is it me or do those horses look like they are in pain?
Yes, and they also look terrified if you ask me. I know that one of the
horses, the chestnut, is reigning Icelandic World Champion. Pretty sad that
that sort of thing is winning at the top levels in our breed. It makes me
ashamed.
K
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:39:56 -0800, you wrote:
>Why would a horse
>open his mouth?
Pain. Lack of training. Excitement/stress (wanting to go faster than
allowed). To breathe ( if the noseband is restricting breathing
through the nose).
>Do they open their mouths at liberty? with sidepulls?
>
Occ
> Just found this message also, from Mic, so am now
> forwarding it to the list.
>
Is it me or do those horses look like they are in pain?
Lorraine
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
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>>IMO no one should be applauding this.
> I agree. Trouble is, the FEIF welfare committee maintain "it's just a
> moment in time" (sound familiar?) and there's no problem at all,
> really, just a bunch of silly people looking at photos out of
> context...
Let's take a look at the subject of a h
On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:29:34 -0800, you wrote:
>IMO no one should be applauding this.
I agree. Trouble is, the FEIF welfare committee maintain "it's just a
moment in time" (sound familiar?) and there's no problem at all,
really, just a bunch of silly people looking at photos out of
context...
Mic
Hi Judy
IMO no one should be applauding this.
Robyn
Icelandic Horse Farm
Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty
Vernon BC Canada
www.icefarm.com
that can defeat this encoding and play any DVD(often more
> expensive). I think they are referred to as universal players.
>
> Phil
Or the opposite! I bought to totally el-cheapo DVD player from Aldi and it
plays anything.
Anneliese
>>> From experience I know that longg toes can cause wingingwe just
rimmed a MFT the other day, it had been 4 months since her last trim (the
owner could not catch her 8 weeks ago when we were there)..so Sally watched
her move before the trimand she was winging, something this mare nev
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's very obvious that many of the top competition horses wing
> in tolt,
> though you don't see it so much in other gaits. It would be
> interesting to
> see video of them moving without a rider. ... In breeding
> assessments,
> horses which cl
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:58:42 -0400, you wrote:
>Now whether it should be part of the judging is another whole
>issue.
In the FIPO classes for youth and novices, a mark is given for the
rider's seat and aids. I would like to see that happen in the main
classes too. (nothing to do with horse confor
> When I took a USDF dressage judging weekend class the question of a
> horse that is winging came up. We were told that this absolutely
> shouldn't
> be a consideration in the score because this is not what they are being
> judged on.
I would agree with that. The dressage test isn't a
When I took a USDF dressage judging weekend class the question of a
horse that is winging came up. We were told that this absolutely shouldn't
be a consideration in the score because this is not what they are being
judged on.
In sport, yes, conformation isn't a criteria...but have you ever
> Interesting. I'm used to mainly thinking of winging as a conformation
> problem...and I suspect there almost has to be a conformational element for
> a horse to show it as markedly as these two did.
When I took a USDF dressage judging weekend class the question of a
horse that is winging came u
It's very obvious that many of the top competition horses wing in tolt,
though you don't see it so much in other gaits. It would be interesting to
see video of them moving without a rider. ... In breeding assessments,
horses which clearly show movement faults when not ridden (for instance
goi
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:14:48 -0400, you wrote:
> I noticed that the guy stayed on the horse in the ring for a long time after
> the hoof incident, and when he left the ring, he finally dismounted
Had he dismounted before the end of the class, he would have been
disqualified. As it was, he still
>>> http://www.notion.net/icelandichorses2007/qtpreviewT1.html
I watched that video again this morning, and at the end, they interviewed the
man, Stian Petursson, who won the WC T1 title on Jarl.
The interviewer asked him if he had anyone to thank. He thought a minute and
said that was diffi
> Neither are we trying to hide our identities. But that's the territory
> and the mentality when you stand up for a creature that has no voice and
> is easy to push around.
Yep. I have nothing to hide. I've never claimed to be the world's greatest
rider, but my horses are treat
Karen, I recall a few of the videos you sent in of Melnir, the point of the
videos was a little bit of gait analyzing weren't they?(wasn't it? -I've
have my tense wrong)
Yep. Melnir is very green, and I'm a believer that the first few months of
training should mostly be walk, wal
Well some mean-spirited person posted a reply to my comment,
discrediting me because I only ride "fat ponies."
Don't worry about it. We don't have to go to that level.
There's not much else to be done when the video clearly shows the problem
areas, except to resort to personal insul
On 18/09/2007, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well some mean-spirited person posted a reply to my comment, discrediting me
> because I only ride "fat ponies." As if that has anything to do with the
> serious nature of what Judy posted. Ok, that was mean to me...but I about
> rolled
> I bet it was tough for Judy to do thisI'm sure there will be a few
> people come out swinging.
I will say that it takes guts to stand up for the horse. I applaud all of
you who are doing so.
It's easy for others to try to take the focus elsewhere and resort to
personal insults.
Obviou
I bet it was tough for Judy to do thisI'm sure there will be a few
people come out swinging.
Darned right. Thanks, Judy.
>>> I haven't read the blogs yet, but I can just imagine who will say what
Well some mean-spirited person posted a reply to my comment, discrediting m
On 18/09/2007, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just signed up and posted my opinion to support Judy's post. I noticed
> that a few others have too. Let's be heard!
I bet it was tough for Judy to do thisI'm sure there will be a few
people come out swinging.
I haven't read the bl
I put the article on Eidfaxi... let's have your opinions heard, too:
http://eidfaxi.is or: http://en.eidfaxi.is/English/Home/ Click onto
Write a Blog, and then Join, to be able to post your responses.
the URL to the article:
http://community.eidfaxi.is/blogs/iceryder/archive/2007/09/
http://community.eidfaxi.is/blogs/iceryder/
I did a response. cool! we need to all join and let them know how we
feel! its critical!
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
> I put the article on Eidfaxi... let's have your opinions heard, too:
>
> http://eidfaxi.is
>
> or: http://en.eidfaxi.is/English/Home/
>
> Click onto Write a Blog, and then Join, to be able to post your responses.
Forgot to include the URL to the article:
http://community.eidfaxi.is/blogs/ice
> Well, I've sent it to the President of FEIF (along with a quote from
> his welfare letter) and the entire FEIF sport committee. It will be
> interesting to see if I get any reply at all...
OK, good. I was going to send it to them myself, but maybe better that you
did.
They SHOULD take these
Jaspar sounds like Hunter. I went out by myself yesterday and we had a
blast, zooming around hairpin turns at the canter. He's the most athletic
horse I've ever ridden. He's never bumped me on a tree even once.
Nancy
On 9/18/07, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:54:08 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >a fino on the trail would be about
> >as much fun as the flying pace i would think
>
> Flying pace on the trail is a blast. We have this huge stubble field
> near us and there's nothing more fun
It's fun playing with her gaits. Her default gait is a stepping pace,
but keep her slow and she does a nice saddle rack. Her trot is quite good,
with some suspension, but she finds it impossible to return to walk without
transitioning through stepping pace (weird). Canter is mostly fine, but i
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:54:08 -0500, you wrote:
>a fino on the trail would be about
>as much fun as the flying pace i would think
Flying pace on the trail is a blast. We have this huge stubble field
near us and there's nothing more fun than whizzing up it on Skessa at
90mph (if not more).
It's fu
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:13:06 -0700, you wrote:
>I would hope that people get a clue and NOT copy what those people (World
>Championship riders?!?!?!) are doing.
Having seen the British team do generally pretty badly at the WC, I
got all fired up thinking I would try to find a good horse and get
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:59:01 -0700, you wrote:
>Let me know what your people think
Well, I've sent it to the President of FEIF (along with a quote from
his welfare letter) and the entire FEIF sport committee. It will be
interesting to see if I get any reply at all...
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
-Original Message-
From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Mic Rushen
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 12:29 PM
To: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [IceHorses] What Are They Applauding?!?!
Video is different, but I think DVD is the same providing you
-Original Message-
From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Karen Thomas
Do you know if you use the same video format in the UK as we use in the USA?
I've e-mailed them with questions - I wonderedf the form expects addresses
and phone numbers in some format
> http://www.notion.net/icelandichorses2007/qtpreviewT1.html
>
> I wonder: what is the audience applauding?!?!?
What can we do to make a positive impact on this situation? to change things
for the benefit of the horse?
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
>>> If you haven't seen it, it's on the Astund site. The first time you go
>>> there, you have to select "English" from the home page: www.astund.is
Here's the second of Jolli's video set.
http://www.astund.is/index.php?id=24&activemenu=24&prod_cat=73&catalog_item=1573
Does anyone notice a
Ya know... someone recently wrote to me and said they were so glad
thatHolar was teaching natural horsemanship. ... I wrote back and said
"What?!?!? Where did you hear that?!?!?" That person pointed to
Jolli's "On Horseback" video (the one with the "spanish walk" pict
On 9/17/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I always found that paso fino gait
> to be annoying - sort of much ado over nothing, and going nowhere. What
> possible reason is their to show knee action in a slow-ish soft gait?
>
yeah but the fino is the natural gait of the paso fino. mu
On 9/17/07, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Video is different, but I think DVD is the same providing you have a
> fairly modern DVD player.
>
> Mic
>
i have a real modern one. so modern I have to borrow people's
grandchildren to come over and show me how to work it.
Janice--
yipie tie yi
On 9/17/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm still considering buying that video.
you need to buy it, then at the Liz clinic we can all drink wine and
watch it and hoot and holler and act rude over it. it will be fun.
like a slumber party.
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
> I mean... it is pretty clear to me what I see... and I assume it's pretty
> clear to other horsemen around the world (unless they're *not* horsemen and
> only *horse riders* or *horse controllers*).
>
> I would hope that people get a clue and NOT copy what those people (World
> Championship rider
> I mean... it is pretty clear to me what I see... and I assume it's pretty
> clear to other horsemen around the world (unless they're *not* horsemen
> and
> only *horse riders* or *horse controllers*).
Ya know... someone recently wrote to me and said they were so glad that
Holar was teaching n
Video is different, but I think DVD is the same providing you have a
fairly modern DVD player.
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
---
Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs:
www.solva-ic
> I mean... it is pretty clear to me what I see... and I assume it's pretty
> clear to other horsemen around the world (unless they're *not* horsemen and
> only *horse riders* or *horse controllers*).
>
> I would hope that people get a clue and NOT copy what those people (World
> Championship rider
> No charge for the Janice Comedy Zone entertainment or at least she
> didn't charge last year. See Janice for details on that part. :)
>
> Ironic how this thread morphed around such that the subject line is
> finally relevant.
While *this* is funny (Janice's Comedy Zone); I am
On 9/17/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No charge for the Janice Comedy Zone entertainment or at least she
> didn't charge last year. See Janice for details on that part. :)
>
>
> Ironic how this thread morphed around such that the subject line is finally
> relevant.
> Judy, do you mind if I forward this on to one or two people?
That's fine with me.
Actually, I think I'm going to put it on a webpage, and also send it to some
magazines.
Let me know what your people think.
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
No charge for the Janice Comedy Zone entertainment or at least she
didn't charge last year. See Janice for details on that part. :)
Ironic how this thread morphed around such that the subject line is finally
relevant.
Karen
Karen Thomas
Wingate, NC
No virus found in this
you need to buy it, then at the Liz clinic we can all drink wine and watch
it and hoot and holler and act rude over it. it will be fun. like a
slumber party.
Slumber party with Janice present... You guys can't imagine what Cary and I
have in store for us with Liz, Janice and D
worked OK for me in the UK.
Do you know if you use the same video format in the UK as we use in the USA?
I've e-mailed them with questions - I wonderedf the form expects addresses
and phone numbers in some format not like ours in the USA. We'll see.
Karen
Karen Thomas
Wingate, NC
No vir
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:32:28 -0400, you wrote:
>Has anyone in the USA tried to order that full video?
It worked OK for me in the UK.
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
---
Solva Icelandic Horses and De
Judy, do you mind if I forward this on to one or two people?
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
---
Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs:
www.solva-icelandics.co.uk
---
After watching the sample video of the World Championship for Icelandic
Horses, in Holland, 2007, at the following site:
http://www.notion.net/icelandichorses2007/qtpreviewT1.html
Has anyone in the USA tried to order that full video? I just tried to use
the online order form, and it didn't
>>> What exactly is a slow tolt? Does it have a definition? Is it a
two-foot / three-foot support gait? or a one-foot / two-foot support gait?
Or is one-foot / two-foot / three-foot support allowed as some of the horses
were doing?
Judy is it my imagination, or did the slow tolts shown this ye
After watching the sample video of the World
Championship for Icelandic Horses, in Holland, 2007, at the following site:
http://www.notion.net/icelandichorses2007/qtpreviewT1.html
I wonder: what is the audience applauding?!?!?
The first horse shown on the video, moving directly towards the cam
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