2008/6/13 Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I would not dream of placing a for sale video on YouTube of a horse
> that was constantly wringing it's tail, for one thing...
True. I think Nancy is correct in assuming that it must be a 'what
not to do' video...
Wanda
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:22:33 -0400, you wrote:
>aded from finding so many "don't"
>videos are actually considered good examples. It just makes me sad that
>Icelandic riding
>is so isolated from the good horsemanship of the world that this - from a
>"top" trainer -
>is considered acceptable.
>>>I regret not being able to understand the language. The horse is very
>>>resistant for
>>>part of this ride. For all I know, he's describing that resistance. I
>>>don't think you
>>>can fairly judge the way he is moving based on this video. His tail is
>>>wringing; his
>>>mouth is open
I regret not being able to understand the language. The horse is very
resistant for part of this ride. For all I know, he's describing that
resistance. I don't think you can fairly judge the way he is moving based
on this video. His tail is wringing; his mouth is open and his head and
neck
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=jg9PdIP0QhQ
> Here is an image where you can see how bad his legs are in movement.
>
> His airborn left front leg sticks way out to the side, and his other three
> legs are pointed down towards the same point (like a "V").
Here is a picture of his legs compared w
2008/6/12 Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=jg9PdIP0QhQ
> It was tolt in most parts, but a very rough tolt, probably not the horse's
> gait of choice, and probably not his natural gait.
I just looked at the video again. Notice how 'off' the foot fall is
at the begin
>>> Doesn't Feldmann have any naturally gaited horses to work with?
I suspect that he rides and trains all his horses the same way, no matter
what their nature. All the Icelandic's, Aiegenburgers (sp?), and
Saddlebreds that I've seen in his videos seem to move exactly the same way.
I wouldn't
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=jg9PdIP0QhQ
>
> I have another question. What gait was that? I paused it in various
> stages and couldn't get a read on what it was the horse was supposed
> to be doing. It certainly wasn't a smooth gait.
>
> Was that supposed to be a trot? Some of the footfalls i
>Here's a video where you can see the conformation of the front legs, and
>the
>winging movement (around 2.46 minutes, etc.):
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=jg9PdIP0QhQ
>>>Interesting. Although he's a stallion who came 6th at the WC in tolt,
his judging marks are pretty low - 7.46 overall, wit
I was riding with an arab gelding this past weekend who would occasionally
wing/paddle only one front leg, but not all the time.
That's weird, I just got back from a ride with a young (4 yr old) Arab
gelding who used his front feet really oddly. We sort of picked him apart
in the wash rack
>> So it's not just
>> the Icelandics where show people are snobs.
>
> I can honestly say that any sort of snobbishness is incredibly rare in
> Icelandic horse show people in the UK - thank goodness.
The same complaint comes up about the Peruvian show ring, but having
been a newbie, an exhib
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:30:14 -0700, you wrote:
>Here's a video where you can see the conformation of the front legs, and the
>winging movement (around 2.46 minutes, etc.):
>
>http://youtube.com/watch?v=jg9PdIP0QhQ
Interesting. Although he's a stallion who came 6th at the WC in tolt,
his judging
> 2008/6/12 Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Here's a video where you can see the conformation
> of the front legs, and the
> > winging movement (around 2.46 minutes, etc.):
> >
> > http://youtube.com/watch?v=jg9PdIP0QhQ
What, other than conformation, would cause occasional
winging or paddlin
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> Now, have we beat this dead horse enough, yet?
>
>
> I think conformation is a very interesting and
> important subject, and
> personally, I can't imagine over-discussing it.
There's discussing, then there's making the same point
over and ove
2008/6/12 Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Here's a video where you can see the conformation of the front legs, and the
> winging movement (around 2.46 minutes, etc.):
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=jg9PdIP0QhQ
I have another question. What gait was that? I paused it in various
stages and could
> I spent ages hunting all over YouTube and couldn't find anything
> better than that one. That's the trouble with the
> audience/judges/photographers/cameramen always being at the side of
> the oval or pace track.
Here's a video where you can see the conformation of the front legs, and the
wing
>>> Now, have we beat this dead horse enough, yet?
I think conformation is a very interesting and important subject, and
personally, I can't imagine over-discussing it. I've enjoyed hearing how
Laree, Lynn, Nancy and a few others with "other horse" experience feel
about certain conformation t
>>> I can honestly say that any sort of snobbishness is incredibly rare in
>>> Icelandic horse show people in the UK - thank goodness.
I don't know how it is in other countries, but after having horses for 15
years, and having a daughter that showed for several years, I was totally
unprepared
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:16:25 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>So it's not just
>the Icelandics where show people are snobs.
I can honestly say that any sort of snobbishness is incredibly rare in
Icelandic horse show people in the UK - thank goodness.
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As far as
> throatlatches, etc., - the traits that may have
> some effect on certain
> performance skills
That's the same tho in every breed be it dog or horse.
The "little" things that are not for form or function
are important to "type" which
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I first got into this breed, I was stunned by
> how rudely the "show
> people" were to me. I know that others have said
> the same thing.
Well, the same could be said of the dog show crowd.
Let's see, I started showing dogs when I was 7 and n
>>> Probably not but there is a chance that allowed to go to the extreme
>>> some of these faults could affect performance - remember, a breed
>>> standard is an ideal to strive for and while never expecting perfection,
>>> it should be what you are aiming for. I think the key is just to put
>
>>> The horses are usually presented by the owners.
How democratic... ;)
>>> According to the internet chatting I see, the Fjord guys who show seem
>>> to be very willing to help novice people at their first shows. They do
>>> Western and English (usually traditional, correct dressage) and of
>>> Hunter, with his fine long neck and clean throat latch, is inclined to
>>> travel hollow
>>> and/or ventroflexed. Tosca, with her short heavy neck, is NEVER
>>> ventroflexed and
>>> travels along in a workman like way with her head in a nice relaxed natural
>>> position.
That's a good p
>
> And does that affect your ability to enjoy her on the trail...? ;)
Probably not but there is a chance that allowed to go to the extreme
some of these faults could affect performance - remember, a breed
standard is an ideal to strive for and while never expecting
perfection, it should be what
>Just curious, Cherie, do a lot of Fjord owners present and ride their
own
>horses?
The horses are usually presented by the owners. Some of the bigger
Fjord farms have trainers who live on the farm and train for the owners.
In that case, the trainers present with the owner there.
According to
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:31:50 -0700, you wrote:
>Thanks for the link, Mic. Not too much usable there. Are there any other
>videos of Icelandic Horses moving towards the camera?
>
I spent ages hunting all over YouTube and couldn't find anything
better than that one. That's the trouble with the
au
They don't hurt a thing for the kind of riding I do.
Nor the kind I do. Not one of the four horses we own would ever make a
dressaage horse. Itf I wanted to ride dressage again, I'd go find a
different kind of horse.
However, Hunter, despite the baggage he arrived with, has been one
te
>>> Well good for them. And what is a "clean throatlatch anyway" ? I'm
>>> joking. Hunter
>>> has one - Tosca doesn't.
And does that affect your ability to enjoy her on the trail...? ;) Some
conformation
traits are important to some disciplines/sports than others. And some
conforma
Nancy, I don't know if you read these, but I chuckled over one detail. This
is one of the few breed standards that doesn't call for a "clean
throatlatch."
Well good for them. And what is a "clean throatlatch anyway" ? I'm
joking. Hunter has one - Tosca doesn't.
I had her in the washrac
>>> Here is a link to the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry (this is the U.S.
>>> registry) If you click on evaluation program and scroll to the bottom of
>>> the page, there are links to the PDF files explaining the whole process:
>>> https://www.nfhr.org/index.php?com_frontpage&Itemid=1Cherie
>>Do you have any video of his movement? Does he wing in the front when
>>moving? Do the back legs travel straight?
>
> There are a few straight on bits of horses in this video from the WC:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNFV4Wqdcj4
Thanks for the link, Mic. Not too much usable there. Are t
I don't have a copy of the International one.
We did a mock U.S. eval at the Fjord Fun Fest last year and the basic
test is done in-hand. Walking in a triangle pattern, and trotting in a
triangle pattern. They ask that the lead be loose. The horse is to
stand quietly while the judge looks it over
>>> Any horse breed should be a good conformation horse breed -- ie.,
>>> mechanically functional for life in the wild (where nature determines if
>>> they are sound enough to survive) and for the work that humans have
>>> expected them to do for several centuries.
Exactly - this shouldn't be
>>> It's only fairly recently that walk has been included in breeding
>>> assessments at all - mostly because it was so rare to see horses in
>>> Iceland with a decent walk as few of the trainers bothered much with it
>>> and the horses were so hyped up at the assessments that finding a decent
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:19:47 -0700, you wrote:
>Do you have any video of his movement? Does he wing in the front when
>moving? Do the back legs travel straight?
There are a few straight on bits of horses in this video from the WC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNFV4Wqdcj4
Mic
Mic (Michelle
> Here is a first prize stallion used in Finland, with 8,0 for proportions.
Krisse, can we see pictures of his legs from directly in front (of the front
legs), and from the side and back (of the back legs)?
Do you have any video of his movement? Does he wing in the front when
moving? Do the
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:50:34 -0400, you wrote:
>In the Icelandic evaluations, the walk is only given 1.5% weighting. That's
>odd to me
>since the walk is "the mother of all gaits."
It's only fairly recently that walk has been included in breeding
assessments at all - mostly because it was so
> So actually you want to breed the "Icelandic" out of these horses and
> make one "this is good conformation"-horsebreed?
Any horse breed should be a good conformation horse breed -- ie.,
mechanically functional for life in the wild (where nature determines
if they are sound enough to sur
>>> The Fjord Horse International Association also publishes a book for judges
>>> and
>>> breeders that explain the evals.
What a novel idea. ;)
Do you have a copy of it, that you might share a few points with us? Do you
know how much
it is to buy it? I might like a copy, just to broaden
>>> So actually you want to breed the "Icelandic" out of these horses and make
>>> one "this
>>> is good conformation"-horsebreed?
Absolutely not! I don't really want to "improve" the breed at all. I think
there is
plenty of good conformation in the gene pool, and I'd only want to PRESERVE
I think the Fjord people have a better system.
Here is a description of some of what comprises a Fjord evaluation. The
owner gets a score sheet that explains how the horse was graded.
They not only have a conformation evaluation but there are also use
tests.
Riding, driving, draft pulling to show
>>> It is too bad most breeders don't pay attention to feet and legs. My Icey
>>> gelding
>>> that came from Brenda Devine has good hard feet and a lot of bone. I picked
>>> him
>>> because he looked like a horse that would stay sound. He is being
>>> conditioned to go on
>>> a 4 day pack tri
Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti:
> Along the same lines,
> conformation is conformation, no matter what the breed, no matter what the
> gaitedness.
So actually you want to breed the "Icelandic" out of these horses and make one
"this is good conformation"-horsebreed?
Krisse
Must have been Bob Rosser.
It was indeed. He baked great bread, too. We were never at his place out
of Cave Junction, but did visit at the cabin he build closer to Wilderville
(was it Waters Creek?). He had built a special bread raising shelf into
the rocks in his fireplace. My husba
2008/6/6 Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> This is why I hate conformation discussions - seems like everyone uses
> different terms, and since I have trouble seeing things in pictures anyway,
> I get confused.
I would love for Liz to dot him up and give us her opinion on what
gaits she thinks he
>>> goes nicely into his shoulders - his front legs are strong,and
>>> straight - his angles are very similiar to Doppa's - more angulation in
>>> the front and a short humerus with a more open, straight angle in the
>>> rear
This is why I hate conformation discussions - seems like everyone us
> What do you see?
>
> Wanda
>
I see a beautiful Dagur.
Lorraine
>
> We have a sensation for him. If I can find a pic with it on him, I'll
> forward.
Thank goodness for Sensatiosn
> Well being that Dagur is in our lengthy training program, he's just
> nicely started under saddle. I haven't seen any evidence of pace in
> him at all.
I wonder if the shorte
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Wanda Lauscher
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay people, I've gathered a few pics of Dagur. Though I don't have
> any from the rear at the moment.
>
> Our delicate dainty boy has turned into a tank.
>
> What do you see?
Very nice head, well proportioned to his bod
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Wanda Lauscher
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What do you see?
>
Beauty!
V
When you see Icelandic Horses being trotted in shows, competitions,
evaluations, they are not rounded (and not collected). They just don't have
the ability to do so.
>
Is this a flat out always true statement? My grandaughter wanted a horse to
take lessons on and I offered up the phlegmati
> One "biggee" is the laxity or flexibility or tightness / looseness of the
> tendons and ligaments.
>
> But, say you have a short back with lax tendons and ligaments. The back
> looks fine from a standing-still-conformation-picture, but get on the
> horse,
> and it sags down, even with a light
> I don't think she particularly pretty or cute, but we have a very nice
> bonding going on and she seems really to enjoy the tough mountain trail
> riding we do.
Pretty is as pretty does has no better example than in horses - my
"Ugly Betty" here is beautiful in my eyes because she is so wonderf
what was the man that was doing these crosses trying to accomplish? Was he
trying to add something to Icelandics
and correct something - he'd be interesting to talk to.
When I first heard about these crosses, from someone who agreed with me in
thinking he was spoiling a good thing, I had to
> Here's an interesting article on swayback:
> http://www.equisearch.com/horses_care/health/anatomy/swaybacks_081205/
>
Interesting article, Lynn - thanks for posting
--
Laree in NC
Doppa & Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang)
"Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils dow
> I think the more balanced the angles are front and rear, the better
> the horse is at the 4 beat gaits.
This should have been 2 beat and 4 beat
--
Laree in NC
Doppa & Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang)
"Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to
the horse, his hu
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Your guys would be interesting because they aren't pure bred Icelandics and
> we could see if we see any
> differences.
>
>
> Actually, Tosca is 3/4 Icelandic and Yrsa is registered and purebred. There
> are differences
>>> In the picture he was REALLY showing off - in a new field with mares over
>>> the hedge
>>> and another stallion in an adjoining field. Plus his feet really needed a
>>> trim - I
>>> think part of the "flip" is flare on the hoof. Here's another trot pic.
I don't think what I saw in the or
>>> I do think a nice length neck does help with balance and the way the
>>> neck is set into the shoulders is important.
Sure, but again, it depends on what you want. I've talked to Liz about this
and this is what she says, and it's what I've seen as well. Gait originates
in the rear end.
>>> Actually, Tosca is 3/4 Icelandic and Yrsa is registered and purebred.
>>> There are differences in their conformation, but I haven't a clue as to
>>> whether it is because of their genetics or just because they are
>>> different. They have the same sire. I think Tosca's head is plain and
>>> Here's an interesting article on swayback:
>>> http://www.equisearch.com/horses_care/health/anatomy/swaybacks_081205/
No, Loftur's not swayback. His back looks pretty normal, but it drops with
weight. I assume he has the characteristics that Judy was talking about.
When he's in pain, I c
Your guys would be interesting because they aren't pure bred Icelandics and
we could see if we see any
differences.
Actually, Tosca is 3/4 Icelandic and Yrsa is registered and purebred. There
are differences in their conformation, but I haven't a clue as to whether it
is because of their g
> I'm sure that ab work will help a horse with a back that sags easily,
> but I think there's
> more to it than that. I don't particularly do a lot of ab work per se
> with my horses, but
> most don't have saggy backs. Loftur has always been that way since I
> got him. Why would
> he need a
>>> That's a horse that needs some ab toning. The strength of the back is not
>>> only in the
>>> topline, but also in the abdominals . . .just like it is with humans.
>>> Caveletti work
>>> is one way to tone the abdominal muscles on a horse, and also riding on
>>> uneven trails
>>> and do
2008/6/5 Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I really insist that you brush her first. Lack of brushing affects BLUP
> scores and if I
> see a picture of her dirty, then...poof...Tifa will be a lesser filly for it.
> We wouldn't
> want that. ;)
Actually, she's one of those girls that looks ne
On Jun 5, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Judy Ryder wrote:
>
> It's not just the length to be considered, but things that we can't
> see!
>
> One "biggee" is the laxity or flexibility or tightness / looseness of
> the
> tendons and ligaments.
>
> Normally a short back *would* be stronger than a long back.
>
>>> Can you stand seeing pics of her pre-farrier visit? I'll pop a halter on
>>> her tonight
>>> and try get some of her away from the poop pile, and perhaps brushed up a
>>> bit...
I really insist that you brush her first. Lack of brushing affects BLUP scores
and if I
see a picture of her
2008/6/5 Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Yes, I REALLY want to see pictures of Kria.
Can you stand seeing pics of her pre-farrier visit? I'll pop a halter
on her tonight and try get some of her away from the poop pile, and
perhaps brushed up a bit...
Our farrier has had a serious horse healt
>> Or say you have a long back with very tight / stiff tendons and ligaments
>> and the horse can carry weight, but can't bend
>
> Doppa is very flexible but we spend time every ride bending and
> stretching - do you think that makes a difference?
Yes, I think it does make a difference, but
> I'm curious what makes you say that he'll be happy at trot and tolt. I
> don't think I see many horses that do those two gaits well under saddle. I
> think some horses can do both, but not many are really good (naturally) at
> both.
>
I think the more balanced the angles are front and rear, th
>>> Here's another one for people to have a go with. This is a rising three
>>> year old colt called Odin.
His conformation dictates (to me) that he needs to live in an overcast, damp
or cloudy climate, preferably far from the equator. It's sunscreen season
here in NC, and I've fought Gracie
>>> The hind end is where this mare falls apart for me. She is high in the
>>> rear and I don't like the way her croup falls off.
That kind of croup would definitely be considered a fault in a three-gaited
horse, but that's one of the rear angles that affects gaitedness - just a
reminder that
>>> Just guessing - but I would say he is going to be a good mover and will
>>> probably do all gaits but will be happier doing trot and tolt.
I'm curious what makes you say that he'll be happy at trot and tolt. I
don't think I see many horses that do those two gaits well under saddle. I
thi
>>> But, say you have a short back with lax tendons and ligaments. The back
>>> looks fine from a standing-still-conformation-picture, but get on the
>>> horse, and it sags down, even with a light rider.
My sweet Loftur is one of those. He had a lot of back problems from old
injuries when he
> It's not just the length to be considered, but things that we can't see!
>
> One "biggee" is the laxity or flexibility or tightness / looseness of the
> tendons and ligaments.
That makes sense
> Or say you have a long back with very tight / stiff tendons and ligaments
> and the horse can carr
but a gaited horse isn't going to
> have much dressage potential, so I tend to focus on the traits that affect
> the careers I'm breeding horses for - trail and pleasure. Her neck is just
> fine for a pleasure horse - she can reach the ground to graze, right? :)
I do think a nice length neck do
> Here's another one for people to have a go with. This is a rising
> three year old colt called Odin.
Oh, one thing I really like about this horse is that in the front his
bones from the wither to the chest and from the chest to the elbow are
equal length and should give him good reach.
--
Lare
> Here's another one for people to have a go with. This is a rising
> three year old colt called Odin.
OK - since I started this, I'll give it a go
First off, I want to say that I think young horses can make some
tremendous changes between 2 and 5 and I think this guy will be
"settling into" his
--- Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> This is a rising
> three year old colt called Odin.
I'll take a stab at this, but I could be all wrong!
First of all, I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE his color, but you
can't ride color. I think he is a bit short in the
neck, long in the back, and butt high. His
>>> I think this mare has a pleasant enough head (Icelandics don't have the
>>> prettiest heads,as a whole) and it seems in proportion to her body. Her
>>> ears are a little large but not to a point that they are distracting and
>>> they are well placed. She has a nice soft eye and pleasant ex
>>> Great idea Laree. I'll take some of Kria.
I have Kria's daughter, Saga. When I bought Saga, I had her bred to Robyn's
Segull. Saga is a very nice mare in so many ways - wonderful personality,
friendly, sweet, nice-enough conformation, gaits out the ying-yang, but she
only strikes you as
>>> It's harder than you think to get pics that are helpful at all - they
>>> definitely aren't into this modelling gig.
Oh no. I must be the stereotypical stage mom. Sina seems to love modeling.
Have I shown you her portfolio? She models on several websites now. At
least she's a healthy
>> back was a little long, but it's not sagging at all...so there must be
>> something else in her conformation that's keeping it solid...and
>> strong.
>
> HMMM - That's an interesting question because other horses I know have
> shorter backs but weaker backs.
It's not just the length to be cons
I will see if my friend down the street that took the photos can do
the videos. I don't have the right equipment - my cell phone makes
phone calls and nothing else. My camera might have a video feature.
Personally I thought her
> back was a little long, but it's not sagging at all...so there mu
2008/6/5 Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Now you can see that conformation to some extent is a personal opinion
> and that none of us are wrong, we just look each horse a little
> differently - bringing something different to the table. Anyone else
> want to jump in before I tell you what I a
> Come on, Folks, who's going to take a shot at this - you don't have to
> be an expert.
This is great! Wanda, Karen, Mic - thanks for jumping in. I am going
to try to take a stab at looking at these pics like I don't know her
and tell you what I see - for those of you that are new to this, you
>>> I have attached some pics of Doppa (she isn't a model so these aren't
>>> perfect conformation shots) and I think it would be helpful if some of
>>> the folks that breed (Mic, Karen, etc) and some of the folks that are
>>> knowledgable about conformation(Judy, etc) would take these pics an
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:38:47 -0400, you wrote:
> I think it would be helpful if some
>of the folks that breed (Mic, Karen, etc) and some of the folks that
>are knowledgable about conformation(Judy, etc) would take these pics
>and list some of the strong and weak points of this horse.
I freely adm
Laree, do you know where her "LS" joint is in relation to her hip bones?
Wanda
Great idea Laree. I'll take some of Kria. I know Karen and Anna each
have one of her offspring. They might be interested in knowing how
far their apples fell from the tree.
Laree, take this for what it's worth, but I pay attention to legs.
What do you see?
http://horses-arizona.com/pages/artic
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is a very good idea Laree. What I would like to see is an entire
> group of Icelandic conformation photos,
I think it's very important we don't use photos unless we have the
owner's permission. Your guys would be in
This is a very good idea Laree. What I would like to see is an entire
group of Icelandic conformation photos, including one that the experienced
folks think is near perfect. Then I'd like to have their "faults" pointed
out. I have no intention of breeding or selling my mares and I think I'm
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have attached some pics of Doppa (she isn't a model so these aren't
> perfect conformation shots) and I think it would be helpful if some
> of the folks that breed (Mic, Karen, etc) and some of the folks that
> are kno
On 30/12/2007, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is a picture from Iceland. Looking at the legs,
> you can see the toeing-out, the closeness of the front
> legs, and the knock knees.
I'd like to see what that horse looked like without a saddle on it's
back for a few weeks. S/he looks
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pictures from the three Liz Graves clinics I've
> attended, relating to the
> marking of conformation for gait analysis.
>
>
http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=4jh0nhxz.1j9vu9rr&x=0&y=2kxbdc
>
Let's see if I remember this correctly, if the dot at
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 11:47:06AM -0700, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island wrote:
> >From experience I know that longg toes can cause wingingwe
> just rimmed a MFT the other day, it had been 4 months since her last
> trim (the owner could not catch her 8 weeks ago when we were
> there)..so Sall
On 9/20/07, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> From experience I know that longg toes can cause wingingwe
> just rimmed a MFT the other day, it had been 4 months since her last
> trim (the owner could not catch her 8 weeks ago when we were
> there)..so Sally watched
Here's some good clinic reports that contain information about conformation
and gait:
http://iceryder.net/reports/index.html
and more information about gaits:
http://iceryder.net/lee/
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
Traveler is beautiful and my guess would be that he leans toward the
trot. I'm thinking Eitill might have a full range of gaits and can't even
come up with a guess on the other two.
Traveller belongs to Janice and Donny - I just met him at the Liz Graves
clinic last year. He seems to defa
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