On 2/6/07, Tanveer Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Members of the Community
I regret the delay in posting our 'side of the story' w.r.t. Microsoft at
LinuxAsia 07. Here's our attempt...
snip snip snip
The event needed
--- Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 07-Feb-07, at 12:56 PM, vivek khurana wrote:
Just one presentation with no explaination from
any
reperesntative regarding the purpose of
presentation.
Yes a presentation was running along with demo of
Vista and M$ office 2007.
On 07-Feb-07, at 3:42 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:
M$ ideology is exactly opposite of Linux ideology, so its like
Smirnoff
sponsoring the Alcoholics Anonymous meet.
Except that Smirnoff is in the Alcoholic drinks business which is 'by
definition' opposed to an AA meet's purpose. Where as
Except that Smirnoff is in the Alcoholic drinks business which is 'by
definition' opposed to an AA meet's purpose. Where as Microsoft is in
the software business, just like the FOSS fellows. Microsoft
sponsoring the LA event is NOT the same as Smirnoff sponsoring an AA
meet.
No problem!! So
On 2/7/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 07-Feb-07, at 3:42 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:
M$ ideology is exactly opposite of Linux ideology, so its like
Smirnoff
sponsoring the Alcoholics Anonymous meet.
Except that Smirnoff is in the Alcoholic drinks business which is 'by
Anupam Jain wrote:
FOSS is not about forcing a choice. It's about letting people know
that a choice exists so that they can take a well informed decision. I
see nothing wrong with letting MS parade the choices it has for offer
and us parading what we have. If MS pays us good money to hold
On 07-Feb-07, at 5:24 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:
hold that doing so is the biggest danger to the development of
software. So the analogy is exact.
Wouldn't you call making money from software being in the software
business?
making money how? that is the question. I make money buying and
Anupam Jain wrote:
I
see nothing wrong with letting MS parade the choices it has for offer
and us parading what we have. If MS pays us good money to hold such a
showoff and that too *on our turf* then what is the problem?
Why should MS parade its products on a conference named *Linux* Asia.
Anupam Jain wrote:
I really don't understand what the big deal is. If the agenda was
sabotaged by Microsoft by just being a partrner/sponsor then let's
hear it in concrete terms *how*.
This was supposed to be a Linux promotion event. This was not IT 2007
or the like, where everybody related
vivek khurana wrote:
--- Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 07-Feb-07, at 12:56 PM, vivek khurana wrote:
Just one presentation with no explaination from
any
reperesntative regarding the purpose of
presentation.
Yes a presentation was running along with demo of
Vista and M$
Maybe we should create an orkut community titled MS
trojan horse @ LA
;-)
ducking and running
VK
Engineers normally have problem with every solution. If not they have a
solution in search of a problem.
http://creative.linux-delhi.org
Disclaimer
The facts expressed here belong to everybody,
Can anyone help Pragya out? Please CC replies to her.
Regards,
-- Raju
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Date: Wednesday 07 February 2007 16:53
From: Pragya Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Raj,
Hi,
Just heard that the ministry of information technology has
This is more of a 'for info' thing than any help / answer to the
questions raised earlier...
Just heard that the ministry of information technology has installed
its version of the Linux operating system (BOSS) on around 40
computers used by its senior/middle-level officials in the
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 02:57:31PM +, Karanbir Singh wrote:
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does anyone have a URL for details on this 'BOSS' stuff ?
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=boss
Thanks
Ashish Shukla
--
Ashish Shukla Wah Java !!
आशीष शुक्ल
,= ,-_-. =. webpages:
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From: Mahesh T. Pai [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 07-Feb-2007 21:56
Subject: Choice of scripting language on http://courtnic.nic.in
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sirs,
I am trying to view http://www.courtnic.nic.in, and find that the
On 2/7/07, Raj Shekhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anupam Jain wrote:
FOSS is not about forcing a choice. It's about letting people know
that a choice exists so that they can take a well informed decision. I
see nothing wrong with letting MS parade the choices it has for offer
and us
A booklet distributed by Microsoft at the CXOSummit presented how
Microsoft was working with Open Source projects! I believe the same was
running as a presentation on their booth too.
For me it is Free Software and not Open Source. I have heard Microsoft
executives boast of their six 'open
On 07/02/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The only sparks that flew where when Microsoft made it abundantly clear
that they would use their patent portfolio to prevent the spread of GPL
software.
Did something like that happen in LA too? If not then it's not
something worth
On 07/02/07, Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Mahesh T. Pai [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 07-Feb-2007 21:56
Subject: Choice of scripting language on http://courtnic.nic.in
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sirs,
I am trying to
On 2/7/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 07-Feb-07, at 5:24 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:
hold that doing so is the biggest danger to the development of
software. So the analogy is exact.
Wouldn't you call making money from software being in the software
business?
making
On 2/7/07, Parthan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anupam Jain wrote:
I
see nothing wrong with letting MS parade the choices it has for offer
and us parading what we have. If MS pays us good money to hold such a
showoff and that too *on our turf* then what is the problem?
Why should MS parade
On 2/7/07, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anupam Jain wrote:
I really don't understand what the big deal is. If the agenda was
sabotaged by Microsoft by just being a partrner/sponsor then let's
hear it in concrete terms *how*.
This was supposed to be a Linux promotion event.
On 2/7/07, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
vivek khurana wrote:
--- Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 07-Feb-07, at 12:56 PM, vivek khurana wrote:
Just one presentation with no explaination from
any
reperesntative regarding the purpose of
presentation.
Hi friends,
Pls allow me to clarify.
1. We had informed most speakers in advance about Microsoft's presence,
and sponsors too. At least all who had signed in after the deal.
2. We never intended to hide the fact. We had mentioned the possibility of
Microsoft coming in as a sponsor even during
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 01:07:31AM +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
PS: Interestingly, I CANNOT find any news item on the ET website with the
title MS takes linux world by storm...can you?
Must add, I did try to google this titlethere's one find...of an ET
entry...same date...but
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Of Akshay Lamba
The way I see it there are 3 stands here:
1. The event organizers really believes in the stand they took and are
ready to defend it
2. The event organizers is justifying it's stand by sugar
Wow! thanks Ashish.
Seems like this original article got changed within the same day or the
Delhi article replaced the Chennai version! Kudos to the editor (of ET),
for having realised the complete picture soon enough :-)
And thankfully, though the stated title is there---the text seems to have
On 2/7/07, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
vivek khurana wrote:
--- Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 07-Feb-07, at 12:56 PM, vivek khurana wrote:
Just one presentation with no explaination from
any
reperesntative regarding the purpose of
presentation.
On 2/7/07, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is more of a 'for info' thing than any help / answer to the
questions raised earlier...
Just heard that the ministry of information technology has installed
its version of the Linux operating system (BOSS) on around 40
computers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
4. VERY IMP POINT!!!
Interestingly, the para selected for the discussion SEEMS TO BE A GREAT
EXAMPLE OF SELECTIVE EDITING. No URL for this story was provided for all
of us to view the complete story.
Our PR agency recently sent us press-clippings of LinuxAsia. A
Quoting Sudev Barar [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 07/02/07, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The only sparks that flew where when Microsoft made it abundantly clear
that they would use their patent portfolio to prevent the spread of GPL
software.
Did something like that happen in LA
when an event of big scale is to be organized the
planning has to be
well in advance.. engaging with the community has
to begin early on
not at last minute.. with less than a month left for
the event!
I would second that. I have come to know preparations
for LCA start 18 months in
Quoting Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Cmon are all sponsors necessarily connected with Linux? Most companies
sponsor events because they want advertising, not because they believe
in the cause.
BS - pure BS. Take a look at the sponsorship list at foss.in. Most companies
sponsor foss
Quoting Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
And in this case LA was our turf, our event.
it wasnt. never was. it is a commercial event involved with linux, and the
organisers wanted to involve the community too. Unfortunately, they went about
it the wrong way and the community did not respond very
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi friends,
Pls allow me to clarify.
1. We had informed most speakers in advance about Microsoft's presence,
and sponsors too. At least all who had signed in after the deal.
which Indian speakers did you inform?
2. We never intended to hide the fact.
why
Hi there,
1. Why are we scared of Microsoft being there in the
event?
2. BTW as for the reason, Microsoft have their Linux
infrastructure in house to work on and do research.
They are taking on things that work in Linux and make
changes to their own products.
3. By similar argument, why
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On Thursday 08 February 2007 00:30, Anupam Jain wrote:
[snip]
I liked ILUGD better when it wasn't committee-ised and decisions
were not taken by individuals for the whole LUG. The freedom to
fork is good but not the decision to do so on the
Quoting Naresh Narang [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi there,
1. Why are we scared of Microsoft being there in the
event?
who is scared?
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Naresh Narang wrote:
Hi there,
1. Why are we scared of Microsoft being there in the
event?
s/Scared/Pissed Off ;)
2. BTW as for the reason, Microsoft have their Linux
infrastructure in house to work on and do research.
They are taking on things that work in Linux and make
changes to
Parthan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Anupam Jain wrote:
Asia' ? what products that MS exhibited there has relation to Linux.
Their OS, probably? It is a competition to Gnu/linux, no? and that is
relationship enough, no?
They are the first and biggest ones again Linux and what they are doing
Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Also, does anyone have info on exactly what is the real development
going on at CDAC ?
Develop project proposals for government funding??
(sorry, but, the experience of indlinux team makes me sarcastic)
--
Mahesh T. Pai
Quoting Mahesh T. Pai [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Also, does anyone have info on exactly what is the real development
going on at CDAC ?
Develop project proposals for government funding??
(sorry, but, the experience of indlinux team makes me
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Second--since LA 04, we've been wanting Microsoft to participate in
LinuxAsia. In fact, it did present a couple of talks in the first
Ah. The decision was made way back, 2 years ago.
a) Microsoft, due to its recent Novell deal, has entered the Linux
Sudev Barar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 07/02/07, Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fit case for submission on to hall of shame if they do not do anything
Worse. I will be faced with the horrid situation where I will have to
file a case against the Hon'ble High Court of Kerala. And
Ah. Took me sometime to realise that bosslinux is your baby.
Now, where do I discuss thing about it?
I have some suggestions like removing 'contrib' and 'non-free'
sections (since they are likely to be misused in an organisation
without you) and replacing them with
Quoting Mahesh T. Pai [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Ah. Took me sometime to realise that bosslinux is your baby.
un-realise it, its not my baby. I work out of NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC, BOSS is the
child of NRC-FOSS at CDAC.
Now, where do I discuss thing about it?
with CDAC, Chennai
Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Can anyone help Pragya out? Please CC replies to her.
I am using the gmane interface on gnus; and gmane obfuscates
emails. so, is there any means of doing this?
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This, the government is saying, is the first such
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Quoting Mahesh T. Pai [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
un-realise it, its not my baby. I work out of NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC, BOSS is the
child of NRC-FOSS at CDAC.
so, what is the difference between [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why did both choose identical names?
--
Quoting Mahesh T. Pai [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Quoting Mahesh T. Pai [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
un-realise it, its not my baby. I work out of NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC, BOSS is
the
child of NRC-FOSS at CDAC.
so, what is the difference between [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PS: Interestingly, I CANNOT find any news item on the ET website with the
title MS takes linux world by storm...can you?
I have been reading this thread and as of right now - why don't we just
let it go ? Much as we try
On 08-Feb-07, at 10:28 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote:
Let's leave the hoary discussion aside and move on as to how and
what to
do in future event where this is going to happen again and again.
this discussion is not about convincing LA or about condemning them.
It helps us clarify
--- Mahesh T. Pai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nah. They are not against _linux_ but against GPL.
Agsint freedom;
against freesoftware. It is is Linux's fault if it
is gpl'ed and Free
a.k.a swatantra.
GOT IT?
Inviting flames
No, I didn't get it. Example, I couldn't find any
On Thursday 08 February 2007 10:07, Mahesh T. Pai wrote:
Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Can anyone help Pragya out? Please CC replies to her.
I am using the gmane interface on gnus; and gmane obfuscates
emails. so, is there any means of doing this?
Send to the list then, I'll forward
Hi all!
First off, let me tell you that I had and have no intention of jumping into
this debate, though I've been quietly watching it since the thread started.
Second, let me tell you that I'm pro-OSS but not anti-Microsoft and that's
not abnormal... many won't admit it if you do a +1 voting
--- Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rahul, in what way was my selective editing
misrepresentative of my
point? I copy pasted the relevant content from
ET's epaper edition. In
any case, would I be so stupid to misquote from an
easily verifiable
source - that too a very
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On Thursday 08 February 2007 10:57, Janani Gopalakrishnan wrote:
[snip]
Isn't open source about being 'open', isn't it about a free
market, isn't is about giving everybody a chance, isn't it about
higher talent and ideals winning over lower ones,
On 08-Feb-07, at 10:57 AM, Janani Gopalakrishnan wrote:
Hi all!
First off, let me tell you that I had and have no intention of
jumping into
this debate,
unfortunately you *have* jumped in
though I've been quietly watching it since the thread started.
Second, let me tell you that I'm
On 08-Feb-07, at 11:41 AM, Raj Mathur wrote:
I think the questions being asked here (I could be wrong, of course)
i think you are wrong
are (a) What is Linux-Asia's focus and
to publicise LFY and sister publications and make money
(b) Does MS' presence at LA
contribute to that focus or
it isnt - it is a philosophy on how to make software.
I know it's off-topic, but since you say this... what a narrow view,
Kenneth, it's a pity you think of free and open source as a philosophy
applying only to software. Check out creativedot for example! A real
philosophy, in my view, breaks
(b) Does MS' presence at LA
contribute to that focus or detract from it
contributes
+1. By actually spending a lot of money on LinuxAsia, Microsoft has
publicly acknowledged that fact that F/OSS is a force to be contend
with. This wasn't the case sometime back; and therefore, this is a
Inviting flames
No, I didn't get it. Example, I couldn't find any
good video drivers for ATI Radeon 7000 card for Fedora
4. Are going to write them for me for free? And yes,
please make sure that quality of driver is good. Don't
forget to write document and installation notes.
g,dr
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