Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-11 Thread Daniel Convissor
Hi Steph: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 07:02:35PM -, Steph Fox wrote: > > In the last two upgrading guides, we've repeated much of what is already > in the NEWS file or in the release notes. This makes me wonder what the > point is of having an upgrading guide...? Because the guide is in the man

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-11 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
Hey Steph, Personally I think we should list all changes. For certain changes we should devote some explanations (like E_DEPRECATED). For the most part I see this document as a place where we provide an overview of things which then gives them the right key word to look in the documentation

[PHP-DEV] [Patch] Security checks to allow secure suexec CGI / FastCGI support

2009-02-11 Thread Andrew
Hi all, Please find a patch attached which makes it possible to have secure suexec CGI / FastCGI PHP scripts without using safe_mode (note that this configuration is currently widely used, for example by shared web hosts, but there is no way to make it secure with an unpatched PHP version). For

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-11 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 20:55, Steph Fox wrote: > Please go back to the original discussion about the purpose of this guide. > It was aimed primarily at sysadmins. If we turn it into a prettier version Then I guess I need to read the archives. I can't imagine why a system admin would give a damn

[PHP-DEV] Re: RFC for new INI's

2009-02-11 Thread Karsten Dambekalns
Hi. On 11.02.2009 15:26 Uhr, Christian Schneider wrote: session.bug_compat_42 = Off ; Why should devel/production differ? Because in dev a warning should be shown, but the warning setting only has an effect if this setting is on (at least that way it is documented in php.ini). Regards, Kar

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-11 Thread Steph Fox
An upgrade is not only about problems, it is also about solutions. You need a problem before providing a solution. Really. A kind of tutorial on how to use all the changes in a given release in your applications. It often helps to clean codes, remove work 'round, etc. An upgrade guide is often

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-11 Thread Pierre Joye
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Steph Fox wrote: >> IMHO listing new functions is useful - there could be a name collision >> with >> a function in users code (I know it is improbable, because the functions >> are >> named extname_funcname, but still possible) > > Improbable indeed. The nearest w

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-11 Thread Steph Fox
IMHO listing new functions is useful - there could be a name collision with a function in users code (I know it is improbable, because the functions are named extname_funcname, but still possible) Improbable indeed. The nearest we ever came to that was with the Date class (because PEAR alread

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-11 Thread Vesselin Kenashkov
IMHO listing new functions is useful - there could be a name collision with a function in users code (I know it is improbable, because the functions are named extname_funcname, but still possible) On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Steph Fox wrote: > > But this was actually an add-on after I put

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-11 Thread Steph Fox
But this was actually an add-on after I put the initial 5.1 upgrading guide together. A 200-line document became a 500-line document overnight, and voila - nobody reads the thing. Actually I'm wrong - that was 5.2. The 5.1 upgrade guide appears to be as-was. So again, why are we listing ne

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-11 Thread Steph Fox
Hi Hannes, Think about the online manual. In 2 years from now people should still be able to read the upgrading guide and it should still make sense without needing to hunt down random release announcements or outdated NEWS files. The upgrade which gets committed to php-src will be taken, word

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-11 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 20:02, Steph Fox wrote: > In the last two upgrading guides, we've repeated much of what is already in > the NEWS file or in the release notes. This makes me wonder what the point > is of having an upgrading guide...? Think about the online manual. In 2 years from now peopl

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-11 Thread Steph Fox
Hi Lukas, all, 'Scuse top-posting, no >>> history marks here. It's not actually 'open' so much as 'under way' - the file's in place and has content, it just needs some thought applying to it. In the last two upgrading guides, we've repeated much of what is already in the NEWS file or in the

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC for new INI's

2009-02-11 Thread Christian Seiler
Hi, > variables_order: They should be the same on dev and prod. > > request_order: Seems like it should be the same. Caution! I've read several times in this thread that request_order should be set to something that also contains C. This is DANGEROUS. request_order was specifically introduced

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC for new INI's

2009-02-11 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Hi 2009/2/11 Guilherme Blanco : > Hey, > > IMHO dev environment should be E_ALL | E_STRICT | E_DEPRECATED E_DEPRECATED is apart of E_ALL (like Lukas just said), so I'd say: ; Development error_reporting = E_ALL | E_STRICT (5.3) error_reporting = E_ALL (6.0+) ; Production error_reporting = E_ALL

[PHP-DEV] 5.3 todos

2009-02-11 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
Hi, It seems aside from some smaller commits, the last minute closure change has gone through without issues. Our todo list however doesnt have that many checked off items: http://wiki.php.net/todo/php53#next_release_beta2rc1 To me the biggest issue is the UPGRADING README. So please approach

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC for new INI's

2009-02-11 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 11.02.2009, at 17:19, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: On 11-Feb-09, at 11:11 AM, Daniel Convissor wrote: Hi Eric: On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 09:27:03PM -0500, Eric Stewart wrote: http://wiki.php.net/rfc/newinis Thanks for the work. I noticed the actual directives in the files are the same. I g

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC for new INI's

2009-02-11 Thread Guilherme Blanco
Hey, IMHO dev environment should be E_ALL | E_STRICT | E_DEPRECATED Regards, On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > > On 11-Feb-09, at 11:11 AM, Daniel Convissor wrote: > >> Hi Eric: >> >> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 09:27:03PM -0500, Eric Stewart wrote: >>> >>> http://wiki.php.

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC for new INI's

2009-02-11 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
On 11-Feb-09, at 11:11 AM, Daniel Convissor wrote: Hi Eric: On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 09:27:03PM -0500, Eric Stewart wrote: http://wiki.php.net/rfc/newinis Thanks for the work. I noticed the actual directives in the files are the same. I guess you just focused on the Quick Reference secti

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC for new INI's

2009-02-11 Thread Daniel Convissor
Hi Eric: On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 09:27:03PM -0500, Eric Stewart wrote: > http://wiki.php.net/rfc/newinis Thanks for the work. I noticed the actual directives in the files are the same. I guess you just focused on the Quick Reference section and getting the comments set up the way you want. L

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC for new INI's

2009-02-11 Thread Richard Quadling
2009/2/11 Ilia Alshanetsky : > > On 11-Feb-09, at 9:26 AM, Christian Schneider wrote: > >> Eric Stewart wrote: >>> >>> A new RFC for PHP's proposed INI files have been added to the wiki. Below >>> is >>> a direct link to the page. >>> http://wiki.php.net/rfc/newinis >> >> Good work IMHO. >> >> Simi

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC for new INI's

2009-02-11 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
On 11-Feb-09, at 9:26 AM, Christian Schneider wrote: Eric Stewart wrote: A new RFC for PHP's proposed INI files have been added to the wiki. Below is a direct link to the page. http://wiki.php.net/rfc/newinis Good work IMHO. Similar to what Karsten Dambekalns wrote I think we should only

[PHP-DEV] Re: RFC for new INI's

2009-02-11 Thread Christian Schneider
Eric Stewart wrote: > A new RFC for PHP's proposed INI files have been added to the wiki. Below is > a direct link to the page. > http://wiki.php.net/rfc/newinis Good work IMHO. Similar to what Karsten Dambekalns wrote I think we should only have a difference between devel and production for disp

[PHP-DEV] About GSoC 2009

2009-02-11 Thread Johannes Schlüter
Hi, last weekend at FOSDEM in Brussels Leslie Hawthorn announced this year's Google Summer of Code program. Meanwhile the FAQ including the timeline has been published. http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html According to that participating organizations are published on March 18.

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC for new INI's

2009-02-11 Thread David Zülke
Am 10.02.2009 um 03:27 schrieb Eric Stewart: A new RFC for PHP's proposed INI files have been added to the wiki. Below is a direct link to the page. http://wiki.php.net/rfc/newinis For -development, display_errors should *definitely* be on, and error_reporting should be E_ALL | E_STRICT.