Hey all,
I'd like to add my 2c:
I agree that php.net is not the right place to express our personal citizenship.
It's better to use Twitter, Facebook, or another social network for these
purposes.
If you believe that the PHP community is obliged to show solidarity on the
php.net,
and not
Hey Paul, All.
On 03.03.22 00:45, Paul Dragoonis wrote:
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 11:11 PM Paul Crovella
wrote:
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:08 PM Stanislav Malyshev
wrote:
That said, if somebody were to design a logo version with Ukraine flag
In case anyone has use for it:
On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 5:42 AM Tim Düsterhus, WoltLab GmbH <
duester...@woltlab.com> wrote:
> Hi Tyson
>
> On 2/13/22 16:50, tyson andre wrote:
> > Currently, there doesn't seem to be an exact fit for indicating that a
> method isn't supported on an object by design (and will throw
>
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 11:11 PM Paul Crovella
wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:08 PM Stanislav Malyshev
> wrote:
> >
> > That said, if somebody were to design a logo version with Ukraine flag
> >
>
> In case anyone has use for it: https://svgshare.com/i/epJ.svg
>
> Colors are #0057b7 and
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:08 PM Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
>
> That said, if somebody were to design a logo version with Ukraine flag
>
In case anyone has use for it: https://svgshare.com/i/epJ.svg
Colors are #0057b7 and #ffd700, from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ukraine#Design, with a
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 4:17 PM Larry Garfield
wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022, at 8:00 AM, Craig Francis wrote:
> > On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 12:26, Dik Takken wrote:
> >
> >> So, to get this crystal clear, this is my understanding of what you are
> >> proposing for passing null to a non-nullable
Hello all,
I do not know if anybody here knows much about me personally, but I was
born in Ukraine, lived there for all my youth and my relatives and
friends are still there. You can imagine my feelings about this horrible
attack on Ukraine that is going on right now.
I am sincerely and
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 18:07, Chase Peeler wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 12:03 PM Alain D D Williams
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 05:43:25PM +0100, Victor Bolshov wrote:
> > > Just one more thing: as of yesterday, in response to western sanctions
> > and
> > > supplies of letal arms
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 12:03 PM Alain D D Williams
wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 05:43:25PM +0100, Victor Bolshov wrote:
> > Just one more thing: as of yesterday, in response to western sanctions
> and
> > supplies of letal arms to Ukraine from EU countries, Putin has ordered
> > Russian
Den ons. 2. mar. 2022 kl. 18.33 skrev Victor Bolshov :
> This is going to cause debate, I was sure about it. And if the community
> agrees at least to state "NO WAR", that is already something.
PHP is not a media, it is an open source project. While our individual
contributors can choose to
On Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 05:43:25PM +0100, Victor Bolshov wrote:
> Just one more thing: as of yesterday, in response to western sanctions and
> supplies of letal arms to Ukraine from EU countries, Putin has ordered
> Russian nuclear forces to switch to a special alert regime, which means they
>
Just one more thing: as of yesterday, in response to western sanctions
and supplies of letal arms to Ukraine from EU countries, Putin has
ordered Russian nuclear forces to switch to a special alert regime,
which means they will be ready to strike at any moment. Anything that
can help stop this
This is going to cause debate, I was sure about it. And if the
community agrees at least to state "NO WAR", that is already something.
To provide more context on Putin's propaganda: he has been consistently
putting more and more restrictions on nearly each and every independent
media. I can
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 15:21, Andreas Leathley wrote:
> This is the behavior for explicit type casting (strval) and the implicit
> casting when using a variable in a string context, like echo or print.
>
But that's what the RFC is about.
Although you do raise a good point, why does
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 14:58, Andreas Leathley wrote:
> Comparisons with == are quite worthless
Yep, but I'm focusing on how PHP works today, and while I welcome and
encourage improvements to the language, it has to be done gracefully...
forcing strict type checking on everyone (even if it's
On 02.03.22 16:00, Craig Francis wrote:
I'll note that converting from NULL is used all the time, and is well
defined:
https://www.php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php
"null is always converted to an empty string."
https://www.php.net/manual/en/language.types.integer.php
"null is
Den ons. 2. mar. 2022 kl. 14.51 skrev Marco Pivetta :
> Please GTFO: we don't need more of Putin's propaganda over here, as they're
> busy enough with butchering civilians over there.
I heavily agree with this matter, the PHP project should remain
neutral. Seeing this thread already makes me
Am 02-Mar-2022 16:02:41 +0100 schrieb der...@derickrethans.nl:
> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022, naitsi...@e.mail.de wrote:
>
> > I only wanted to make clear, that if we start to support Ukraine as
> > the victimized party in this conflict we have to do that in other
> > conflicts, too.
>
> This is a
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022, naitsi...@e.mail.de wrote:
> I only wanted to make clear, that if we start to support Ukraine as
> the victimized party in this conflict we have to do that in other
> conflicts, too.
This is a logical fallacy called whataboutery, and an invention of the
Soviet Union
Am 02-Mar-2022 15:19:54 +0100 schrieb andr...@heigl.org:
> Hey.
>
> On 02.03.22 14:56, naitsi...@e.mail.de wrote:
> >
> >
> > Am 02-Mar-2022 13:51:07 +0100 schrieb ocram...@gmail.com:
> >>
> >> Hey Christian,
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM wrote:
> >>> this is exactly the problem.
On 2 Mar 2022, at 14:39, Andreas Leathley wrote:
> Type coercion already often does not work - giving the string "s" to an
> integer-typed argument will lead to a TypeError, it will not be coerced.
> I would prefer less coercions rather than more.
Hi Andreas,
I'll note that converting from
On 02.03.22 15:27, Craig Francis wrote:
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 14:17, Larry Garfield wrote:
Null is not an empty string. Null is not a string. Null is not 0. Null
is not an integer.
So what should this do?
$name = ($_POST['name'] ?? NULL);
var_dump($name == '');
Is that now going to be
On 02.03.22 15:00, Craig Francis wrote:
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 12:26, Dik Takken wrote:
So, to get this crystal clear, this is my understanding of what you are
proposing for passing null to a non-nullable function parameter
(hopefully my ASCII art will come through ok):
which |
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 14:17, Larry Garfield wrote:
> Null is not an empty string. Null is not a string. Null is not 0. Null
> is not an integer.
>
So what should this do?
$name = ($_POST['name'] ?? NULL);
var_dump($name == '');
Is that now going to be false?
Hey.
On 02.03.22 14:56, naitsi...@e.mail.de wrote:
Am 02-Mar-2022 13:51:07 +0100 schrieb ocram...@gmail.com:
Hey Christian,
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM wrote:
this is exactly the problem. Russia did not just invaded Ukrainia out of
nowhere. The story started in 2014 with the illegal
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 8:34 AM Aaron Junker
wrote:
> Hi all
>
> As I see this there is strong agreement against war, but not for taking a
> side on a conflict.
>
> So then why not showing a banner or something against war. No war or side
> in particular just for humanity and peace.
>
> I think
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022, at 8:00 AM, Craig Francis wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 12:26, Dik Takken wrote:
>
>> So, to get this crystal clear, this is my understanding of what you are
>> proposing for passing null to a non-nullable function parameter
>> (hopefully my ASCII art will come through ok):
śr., 2 mar 2022 o 14:56 napisał(a):
>
>
> Am 02-Mar-2022 13:51:07 +0100 schrieb ocram...@gmail.com:
> >
> > Hey Christian,
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM wrote:
> > > this is exactly the problem. Russia did not just invaded Ukrainia out
> of nowhere. The story started in 2014 with the
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 12:26, Dik Takken wrote:
> So, to get this crystal clear, this is my understanding of what you are
> proposing for passing null to a non-nullable function parameter
> (hopefully my ASCII art will come through ok):
>
>
> which | strict_types | PHP 8.0| PHP 8.1|
Hey Aaron.
On 02.03.22 14:34, Aaron Junker wrote:
Hi all
As I see this there is strong agreement against war, but not for taking a side
on a conflict.
So then why not showing a banner or something against war. No war or side in
particular just for humanity and peace.
I think that's
Am 02-Mar-2022 13:51:07 +0100 schrieb ocram...@gmail.com:
>
> Hey Christian,
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM wrote:
> > this is exactly the problem. Russia did not just invaded Ukrainia out of
> > nowhere. The story started in 2014 with the illegal coup d'etat against
> > Viktor
śr., 2 mar 2022 o 14:34 Aaron Junker napisał(a):
> Hi all
>
> As I see this there is strong agreement against war, but not for taking a
> side on a conflict.
>
> So then why not showing a banner or something against war. No war or side
> in particular just for humanity and peace.
>
> I think
śr., 2 mar 2022 o 14:00 Andreas Heigl napisał(a):
> Hey All
>
> On 02.03.22 13:50, Marco Pivetta wrote:
> > Hey Christian,
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM wrote:
> >
> >> this is exactly the problem. Russia did not just invaded Ukrainia out of
> >> nowhere. The story started in 2014 with
Hi all
As I see this there is strong agreement against war, but not for taking a side
on a conflict.
So then why not showing a banner or something against war. No war or side in
particular just for humanity and peace.
I think that's something everyone could agree with.
Let me know what you
Hey All
On 02.03.22 13:50, Marco Pivetta wrote:
Hey Christian,
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM wrote:
this is exactly the problem. Russia did not just invaded Ukrainia out of
nowhere. The story started in 2014 with the illegal coup d'etat against
Viktor Yanukovych and its acceptance by the
śr., 2 mar 2022 o 13:51 Marco Pivetta napisał(a):
> Hey Christian,
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM wrote:
>
> > this is exactly the problem. Russia did not just invaded Ukrainia out of
> > nowhere. The story started in 2014 with the illegal coup d'etat against
> > Viktor Yanukovych and its
Hi Victor,
I have strong feelings about the war and that people should be taking
whatever personal action they can (check my pinned tweet, @MrDanack),
but:
i) PHP Internals is for discussion of PHP internals.
ii) We have contributors on both sides of the conflict. There are also
many other
Hey Christian,
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM wrote:
> this is exactly the problem. Russia did not just invaded Ukrainia out of
> nowhere. The story started in 2014 with the illegal coup d'etat against
> Viktor Yanukovych and its acceptance by the western countries. Or even
> earlier, with the
>
> Von: naitsi...@e.mail.de
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. März 2022, 12:16
> An: andr...@heigl.org; internals@lists.php.net; crocodil...@gmail.com
> Betreff: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop
> Russian agression
>
> Am 02-Mar-2022
On 01-03-2022 19:10, Craig Francis wrote:
I'm pretty confident the best solution is to keep all parameter types the
same (I could argue that some parameters could do with a "cannot be empty"
exception, to reject NULL and an Empty String, but that would be a
different RFC)... and anyone using
Hi Christian
> I'd support this, if there will be added flags of all countries where armed
> conflicts are going on. There's a list on Wikipedia[1] were those are shown.
> Otherwise the people in those areas are discriminated.
You have a valid point, however it's not always clear which side is
Am 02-Mar-2022 11:39:01 +0100 schrieb andr...@heigl.org:
> Hey All
>
> On 02.03.22 11:16, Aaron Junker wrote:
> > I'm not an internal, but I support this idea.
> >
> > From: Lynn
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 10:36:32 AM
> > To: Victor Bolshov
> > Cc: PHP
Hey All
On 02.03.22 11:16, Aaron Junker wrote:
I'm not an internal, but I support this idea.
From: Lynn
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 10:36:32 AM
To: Victor Bolshov
Cc: PHP internals
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop
I'm not an internal, but I support this idea.
From: Lynn
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 10:36:32 AM
To: Victor Bolshov
Cc: PHP internals
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop
Russian agression
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 10:31 AM
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 10:31 AM Victor Bolshov
wrote:
> Hello internals.
>
> In these dark days for humanity, we as people of civilization, people
> of sanity, kind and caring people with children and families - we have
> to speak up, loud and clear, in support for Ukraine. To stop Russian
>
Hello internals.
In these dark days for humanity, we as people of civilization, people
of sanity, kind and caring people with children and families - we have
to speak up, loud and clear, in support for Ukraine. To stop Russian
aggression.
I suggest to add Ukranian flag and a supportive
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