hi,
On Thursday 27 March 2008 10:26:57 pm Richard Lynch wrote:
> Just recently, somebody wondered why PHP had the CORRECT time when
> their web-server didn't...
and vice versa. see for example:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471104
if there were an *option* for php to
>2008/3/27, Richard Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> As I understand the situation, if you can get ALL the sysadmins of the
> world to update their [bleep] timezonedb frequently, PHP can drop the
> internal timezonedb.
OS vendors release timezone updates frecuently, there is no need for
such bundl
On Thu, March 20, 2008 12:40 pm, sean finney wrote:
> sorry for digging up this dead horse...
>
> On Thursday 10 January 2008 01:05:35 pm Joe Orton wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 09:03:02PM +0100, Derick Rethans wrote:
>> > On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Joe Orton wrote:
>> > > It's a bit of a maintenance
hi everyone,
sorry for digging up this dead horse...
On Thursday 10 January 2008 01:05:35 pm Joe Orton wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 09:03:02PM +0100, Derick Rethans wrote:
> > On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Joe Orton wrote:
> > > It's a bit of a maintenance headache for distributions when
> > > packages
On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 09:59:46AM +0100, Derick Rethans wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, Joe Orton wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 09:03:02PM +0100, Derick Rethans wrote:
> > > It's not used (anymore). However, there is a PHP function
> > > timezone_identifiers_list that uses the index informatio
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, Joe Orton wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 09:03:02PM +0100, Derick Rethans wrote:
> > On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Joe Orton wrote:
> >
> > > It's a bit of a maintenance headache for distributions when
> > > packages include their own copy of the timezone database, since this
> > >
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, Cristian Rodriguez wrote:
> 2008/1/10, Pierre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > If distros start to use the
> > system timezone
>
> Distros use system timezonedb for %99 of the other components(some of
> them far more critical than PHP) , why PHP has to be special ?
Because if PHP
Hi,
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:02:17 -0300, in php.internals
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Cristian Rodriguez") wrote:
>> If distros start to use the
>> system timezone
>
>Distros use system timezonedb for %99 of the other components(some of
>them far more critical than PHP) , why PHP has to be special ?
Beca
2008/1/10, Rasmus Lerdorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Making this an option for the distros is something we pretty much have
> to do.
Yes, or otherwise distros will simple implement their own options. ;-)
> And yes, I know it makes life harder for people writing portable
> apps, but that's just the w
2008/1/10, Pierre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Besides the issues listed by Derick, there is two problems with these
> choices (distro making design changes to upstream software).
> Please don't add the timezone to the list
> of troubles.
The vast mayority of PHP users obtain it via their OS vendor, is
hey pierre,
(removed some folks from the cc)
On Thursday 10 January 2008 11:22:52 am Pierre wrote:
> Besides the issues listed by Derick, there is two problems with these
> choices (distro making design changes to upstream software). First it
that's sort of the point of open-source software, tho
hi derick,
On Thursday 10 January 2008 09:50:14 am Derick Rethans wrote:
> > Personally I think this patch would be great, and I will recommend it to
> > the other debian php maintainers for review.
>
> Let me just remind you:
> This patch BREAKS functionality.
which of course should be avoided i
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
On Jan 10, 2008, at 1:05 PM, Joe Orton wrote:
I'm not sure I find the logic of the "but the system-provided data will
become stale" arguments convincing; systems which are left unmaintained
by the administrators will have old versions of software on; that's a
given. I
On Jan 10, 2008, at 1:05 PM, Joe Orton wrote:
I'm not sure I find the logic of the "but the system-provided data
will
become stale" arguments convincing; systems which are left
unmaintained
by the administrators will have old versions of software on; that's a
given. I can't see why adding
Thanks for all the feedback.
On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 09:03:02PM +0100, Derick Rethans wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Joe Orton wrote:
>
> > It's a bit of a maintenance headache for distributions when
> > packages include their own copy of the timezone database, since this
> > needs to be updated
Hi Sean,
On Jan 10, 2008 5:10 AM, sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Ilia, Joe,
>
> On Wednesday 09 January 2008 08:50:59 pm Ilia Alshanetsky wrote:
> > The reason we do not use the system database is because it is
> > inconsistent and likely is updated less frequently then the one
> > in
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, sean finney wrote:
> On Wednesday 09 January 2008 08:50:59 pm Ilia Alshanetsky wrote:
> > The reason we do not use the system database is because it is
> > inconsistent and likely is updated less frequently then the one
> > included with PHP.
>
> Personally I think this patch
On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Larry Garfield wrote:
>
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:14:29 -0300, "Cristian Rodriguez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > 2008/1/9, Derick Rethans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >> Why do you need this?
> >
> > It is simple, even releasing an update for a particular extension,
> > tri
Hi Ilia, Joe,
On Wednesday 09 January 2008 08:50:59 pm Ilia Alshanetsky wrote:
> The reason we do not use the system database is because it is
> inconsistent and likely is updated less frequently then the one
> included with PHP.
>
> -1.
Personally I think this patch would be great, and I will re
On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:14:29 -0300, "Cristian Rodriguez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> 2008/1/9, Derick Rethans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> Why do you need this?
>
> It is simple, even releasing an update for a particular extension,
> trigger the whole manteniance and QA in distributions, and it
>
2008/1/9, Derick Rethans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Why do you need this?
It is simple, even releasing an update for a particular extension,
trigger the whole manteniance and QA in distributions, and it
unneccesary work , when the system tz is used you have QA and mantain
just one component, the "tim
On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Cristian Rodriguez wrote:
> 2008/1/9, Ilia Alshanetsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > The reason we do not use the system database is because it is
> > inconsistent and likely is updated less frequently then the one
> > included with PHP.
>
> please consider this patch as an alterna
On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Joe Orton wrote:
> It's a bit of a maintenance headache for distributions when
> packages include their own copy of the timezone database, since this
> needs to be updated frequently.
There is a PECL extension to provide those updates:
http://pecl.php.net/package/timezonedb
2008/1/9, Ilia Alshanetsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> The reason we do not use the system database is because it is
> inconsistent and likely is updated less frequently then the one
> included with PHP.
please consider this patch as an alternative for us !!
in anycase, you will probably find this pat
The reason we do not use the system database is because it is
inconsistent and likely is updated less frequently then the one
included with PHP.
-1.
On 9-Jan-08, at 9:15 AM, Joe Orton wrote:
Hi folks. It's a bit of a maintenance headache for distributions when
packages include their own
2008/1/9, Joe Orton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hi folks. It's a bit of a maintenance headache for distributions when
packages include their own copy of the timezone database, since this
needs to be updated frequently.
It is also a bit of a headache when a server does not have a complete
timezone da
2008/1/9, Joe Orton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi folks. It's a bit of a maintenance headache for distributions when
> packages include their own copy of the timezone database, since this
> needs to be updated frequently.
>
+1000 :-D
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Definitely a great idea, since most linux distributions already bundle this
information and update it frequently.
BTW, your implementation seems to require some security checks for timezone
names like "../../../etc/passwd".
Nuno
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