Re: Progressing stable-privacy-addresses (bis) (was Re: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt))

2013-06-21 Thread Fernando Gont
Ole, My apologies if my coments cam across the wrong way. PLease find my comments in-line... On 06/21/2013 10:23 AM, Ole Troan wrote: > >> This document has been suffering from unnecessary delays for almost a >> year now. > > this document was returned to the working group by the AD, after the I

Re: Progressing stable-privacy-addresses (bis) (was Re: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt))

2013-06-21 Thread Ole Troan
Fernando, >>> There was a message asking Fernando to wait because of a >>> yet-to-be-written draft. :-) In my opinion the dependency would >>> be non-normative. There doesn't seem to be much room for argument >>> there. >> >> the action is on the chairs to initiate the WGLC, and subsequently t

Re: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt)

2013-06-20 Thread SM
Hi Ole, At 03:20 19-06-2013, Ole Troan wrote: the action is on the chairs to initiate the WGLC, and subsequently to review the document. Ok. given the discussion on the list, we are planning a larger session on privacy, tracking and the interface identifier in Berlin. Ok. I thought it wou

Progressing stable-privacy-addresses (bis) (was Re: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt))

2013-06-20 Thread Fernando Gont
On 06/19/2013 12:20 PM, Ole Troan wrote: >> >> There was a message asking Fernando to wait because of a >> yet-to-be-written draft. :-) In my opinion the dependency would >> be non-normative. There doesn't seem to be much room for argument >> there. > > the action is on the chairs to initiate

Re: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt)

2013-06-20 Thread Ole Troan
>> In relation to draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses I remain >> unconvinced that it is necessary at all, and oppose its publication. > > I think what is proposed is a useful improvement. > > Note that for publication to happen, rough consensus needs to be reached, not > unanimity. >

Re: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt)

2013-06-19 Thread Mark Smith
> >In relation to draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses I remain >unconvinced that it is necessary at all, and oppose its publication.  I think what is proposed is a useful improvement. Note that for publication to happen, rough consensus needs to be reached, not unanimity.   >There are

Re: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt)

2013-06-19 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/19/2013 10:09 AM, Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: In my opinion, if the purpose of your scan is the last one, then this is a security issue. If it concerns users' information, then it is a privacy issue. If you think that it is out of the scope of this group to deal with the users' data, then it is p

RE: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt)

2013-06-19 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Ole, > > I think we in this context only should focus on the effects interface- > ids have on privacy and tracking. the larger issue is out of scope for > 6man. I am not sure about your response. What I understand here is that if you cannot track a node means then the node has privacy and if you

Re: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt)

2013-06-19 Thread Ole Troan
Hosnieh, > In my opinion, if you would prefer an absolute privacy, then changing the IP > address is not a complete solution and you need also to use an encryption > approach to protect users' data at least in higher layers. So all of the > current active drafts can provide privacy to some extend

RE: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt)

2013-06-19 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Ole, In my opinion, if you would prefer an absolute privacy, then changing the IP address is not a complete solution and you need also to use an encryption approach to protect users' data at least in higher layers. So all of the current active drafts can provide privacy to some extend which highly

Re: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt)

2013-06-19 Thread Ole Troan
SM, >> possibly; difficult to argue how dependencies should go for a yet-to-be >> written document. ;-) > > There was a message asking Fernando to wait because of a yet-to-be-written > draft. :-) In my opinion the dependency would be non-normative. There > doesn't seem to be much room for a

Re: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt)

2013-06-19 Thread Fernando Gont
On 06/19/2013 09:48 AM, Ole Troan wrote: >> >> I tend to agree with Fernando. The dependency is the other way round; >> stable-privacy-addresses is a reference for the new draft. > > possibly; difficult to argue how dependencies should go for a yet-to-be > written document. ;-) > we're looking at

Re: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt)

2013-06-19 Thread SM
Hi Ole, At 00:48 19-06-2013, Ole Troan wrote: possibly; difficult to argue how dependencies should go for a yet-to-be written document. ;-) There was a message asking Fernando to wait because of a yet-to-be-written draft. :-) In my opinion the dependency would be non-normative. There doesn

Re: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt)

2013-06-19 Thread Ole Troan
Brian, ping? >>> We are thinking that it would be good to have a separate draft that >>> describes the current approaches to IID creation and how they effect >>> privacy and tracking. Somewhat along the lines of the email and chart >>> sent to the IPv6 list by Alissa Cooper. >>> >>> The stab

Re: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt)

2013-06-18 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Hi, On 18/06/2013 23:17, Fernando Gont wrote: > Ole, > > On 06/18/2013 10:20 AM, Ole Troan wrote: >>> ping? >> We are thinking that it would be good to have a separate draft that >> describes the current approaches to IID creation and how they effect >> privacy and tracking. Somewhat along the li

Re: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt)

2013-06-18 Thread Fernando Gont
Ole, On 06/18/2013 10:20 AM, Ole Troan wrote: > >> ping? > > We are thinking that it would be good to have a separate draft that > describes the current approaches to IID creation and how they effect > privacy and tracking. Somewhat along the lines of the email and chart > sent to the IPv6 list

Re: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt)

2013-06-18 Thread Ole Troan
Fernando, > ping? We are thinking that it would be good to have a separate draft that describes the current approaches to IID creation and how they effect privacy and tracking. Somewhat along the lines of the email and chart sent to the IPv6 list by Alissa Cooper. The stable-privacy draft sho

Re: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt)

2013-06-17 Thread Fernando Gont
ping? On 06/12/2013 07:55 PM, Fernando Gont wrote: > Folks, > > This latest revision addresses the feedback sent by Alissa Cooper. > > Should we progress this document now? > > Thanks! > Fernando > > > > > On 06/12/2013 07:45 PM, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: >> >> A New Internet-Draft i

Re: Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt)

2013-06-14 Thread SM
At 10:55 12-06-2013, Fernando Gont wrote: This latest revision addresses the feedback sent by Alissa Cooper. Should we progress this document now? Yes. The proposal will be implemented. Regards, -sm IETF IPv6 working grou

Progressing draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses (Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt)

2013-06-12 Thread Fernando Gont
Folks, This latest revision addresses the feedback sent by Alissa Cooper. Should we progress this document now? Thanks! Fernando On 06/12/2013 07:45 PM, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a

I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-10.txt

2013-06-12 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IPv6 Maintenance Working Group of the IETF. Title : A method for Generating Stable Privacy-Enhanced Addresses with IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (SLAAC)