Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-30 Thread Tim Chown
On 29 Apr 2013, at 20:39, Ray Hunter v6...@globis.net wrote: Christian Huitema wrote: The problem here is that don't have all the names/IDs we'd like. For example, using the MAC address as the Interface_ID would do for this purpose... but the the IPv6 address is tied to the MAC address, and

Re: Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-30 Thread Ray Hunter
Tim Chown wrote: On 29 Apr 2013, at 20:39, Ray Hunter v6...@globis.net mailto:v6...@globis.net wrote: Christian Huitema wrote: The problem here is that don't have all the names/IDs we'd like. For example, using the MAC address as the Interface_ID would do for this purpose... but the the

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-29 Thread Fernando Gont
On 04/29/2013 01:13 AM, Mark Smith wrote: This gets a bit interesting when thinking about the USB NIC situation. Plugging the USB NIC into different USB slots would change the interface ID if the slot is used to assign it a persistent interface ID. I'd argue that this would be a desirable

RE: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-29 Thread Christian Huitema
The problem here is that don't have all the names/IDs we'd like. For example, using the MAC address as the Interface_ID would do for this purpose... but the the IPv6 address is tied to the MAC address, and would change upon replacement of the NIC (which is generally undesirable)...

Re: RE: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-29 Thread Ray Hunter
Christian Huitema wrote: The problem here is that don't have all the names/IDs we'd like. For example, using the MAC address as the Interface_ID would do for this purpose... but the the IPv6 address is tied to the MAC address, and would change upon replacement of the NIC (which is generally

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-29 Thread Fernando Gont
On 04/29/2013 12:03 PM, Christian Huitema wrote: The problem here is that don't have all the names/IDs we'd like. For example, using the MAC address as the Interface_ID would do for this purpose... but the the IPv6 address is tied to the MAC address, and would change upon replacement of the

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-29 Thread Doug Barton
On 04/29/2013 12:39 PM, Ray Hunter wrote: Christian Huitema wrote: The problem here is that don't have all the names/IDs we'd like. For example, using the MAC address as the Interface_ID would do for this purpose... but the the IPv6 address is tied to the MAC address, and would change upon

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-29 Thread Fernando Gont
On 04/29/2013 05:00 PM, Doug Barton wrote: I only peripherally followed the early discussion about this topic (only so many hours in the day). I confess that I never got the need for this, but lots of people seemed enthusiastic about it, so I put it in the category of things to figure out

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-29 Thread Doug Barton
On 04/29/2013 01:12 PM, Fernando Gont wrote: On 04/29/2013 05:00 PM, Doug Barton wrote: I only peripherally followed the early discussion about this topic (only so many hours in the day). I confess that I never got the need for this, but lots of people seemed enthusiastic about it, so I put it

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-29 Thread Brian Haberman
All, I just want everyone to be aware that I have stopped the publication process on this document and sent it back to the WG. There was significant feedback that I felt needed to be dealt with and that the resulting changes may alter the document significantly. The author and the

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-29 Thread Fernando Gont
On 04/29/2013 07:04 PM, Doug Barton wrote: Let's assume that there are 2 broad categories that cover a statistically significant percentage of the possible use cases, home and business. I don't see any scenario where the home user would be benefited from stable privacy addresses beyond what

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-28 Thread Mark Smith
Atkinson rja.li...@gmail.com; t.petch daedu...@btconnect.com Sent: Friday, 26 April 2013 9:01 AM Subject: Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name Hi, Mark, Thanks so much for your feedback! -- Please find my comments in-line On 04/25/2013 06:13 PM, Mark

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-28 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 29/04/2013 16:13, Mark Smith wrote: ... I don't think it is specifically defined. For example, I understand Linux just uses an incrementing allocation counter, which is why the order of interface initialisation or insertion matters. On routers etc., this sort of scheme also seems to be

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-26 Thread Ray Hunter
Mark Smith mailto:markzzzsm...@yahoo.com.au 25 April 2013 23:13 Hi Fernando, I think listing those desired properties would be useful, and then describing examples of actual interface identifiers that would qualify if available e.g., persistent ifindex values or persistent interface

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-26 Thread t . petch
Original Message - From: Fernando Gont fg...@si6networks.com To: 6...@ietf.org Cc: 6man-cha...@tools.ietf.org; RJ Atkinson rja.li...@gmail.com; Brian Haberman br...@innovationslab.net; t.petch daedu...@btconnect.com Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:01 PM Folks, During IETF LC, a

RE: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-25 Thread Christian Huitema
My take would be to replace Interface Index in the expression with an abstract Interface_ID, and then explain that Interfae_ID can be either the Interface Index or the Interface name, and include some of the text above (explaining why an implementation might want to include one or the

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-25 Thread Fernando Gont
Hi, Ray, On 04/25/2013 11:21 AM, Ray Hunter wrote: Since both Interface_Index and Interface name are anyway both implementation dependent, why would you need to precisely standardise the exact meaning, or the exact source of the information? AFAICS this wouldn't significantly affect inter-op,

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-25 Thread Fernando Gont
Hi, Christian, Thanks so much for your feedback! Please find my comments in-line... On 04/25/2013 10:41 AM, Christian Huitema wrote: My take would be to replace Interface Index in the expression with an abstract Interface_ID, and then explain that Interfae_ID can be either the Interface Index

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-25 Thread Mark Smith
daedu...@btconnect.com Sent: Friday, 26 April 2013 2:47 AM Subject: Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name Hi, Ray, On 04/25/2013 11:21 AM, Ray Hunter wrote: Since both Interface_Index and Interface name are anyway both implementation dependent, why would you need

Re: LC comments on stable-privacy-addresses: Interface Index vs. name

2013-04-25 Thread Fernando Gont
Hi, Mark, Thanks so much for your feedback! -- Please find my comments in-line On 04/25/2013 06:13 PM, Mark Smith wrote: I think listing those desired properties would be useful, and then describing examples of actual interface identifiers that would qualify if available e.g.,