RE: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-10 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
My explanation was clear and covered all concerns about my algorithm (as it is not the CGA at all and so no IPR), so I also don't think there is any need to explain more. Otherwise somebody else still has a problem and not convinced. > >> IPRs *are* a problem. If you think you know better, talk to

Re: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-10 Thread Fernando Gont
Hosnieh, We have already been down this road where I feel you don't seem to listen/read what I say. I won't comment any further, except for one small comment. On 08/10/2013 04:43 AM, Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: >> On 08/09/2013 07:39 PM, Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: > Check here please: > > http:/

RE: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-10 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Added key pair to the CGA as well :-) > On 08/09/2013 07:39 PM, Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: > >>> Check here please: > >>> > >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/138/ > >>> > >>> b) _X__ Royalty-Free, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory License to > >>> All Implementers > >> > >> This is a non-starter f

RE: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-10 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
> On 08/09/2013 07:39 PM, Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: > >>> Check here please: > >>> > >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/138/ > >>> > >>> b) _X__ Royalty-Free, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory License to > >>> All Implementers > >> > >> This is a non-starter for many free-software projects. > > > > A

Re: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Fernando Gont
On 08/09/2013 07:39 PM, Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: >>> Check here please: >>> >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/138/ >>> >>> b) _X__ Royalty-Free, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory License to All >>> Implementers >> >> This is a non-starter for many free-software projects. > > As I explained before

Re: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Andrew Yourtchenko
Hosjieh, Of three problems that the draft aims to solve, 1st (EUI64 addresses) does not really seem to be much of a problem as everyone does privacy addresses today (you saw stats yourself at ipv6-hackers meeting), the second (not changing the address) is an implementation choice, so the third

RE: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
> > Check here please: > > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/138/ > > > > b) _X__ Royalty-Free, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory License to All > > Implementers > > This is a non-starter for many free-software projects. As I explained before my algorithm is not CGA anyway. But, what I know a

RE: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Hi Andrew, Thanks for your comments. >Of three problems that the draft aims to solve, 1st (EUI64 addresses) does not >really seem to be much of a problem as everyone does privacy addresses today >(you saw stats yourself at >ipv6-hackers meeting), the second (not changing >the address) is an imp

Re: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Fernando Gont
On 08/09/2013 06:57 PM, Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: >> I won't fight this one with you, Hosnieh. You have received my input. >> It's up to you what you do with it. >> > Check here please: > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/138/ > > b) _X__ Royalty-Free, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory License to Al

RE: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
> > I believe your underestimating IPRs, and also think that introduing an IPR to > RFC4941 (as this document is indirectly doing) is an extremely bad idea. There is no IPR for my algorithm. You can name it Pseudo CGA or xxx. I only used a hash function, i.e., SHA256 that anyone can use a hash f

Re: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Fernando Gont
On 08/09/2013 06:25 PM, Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: >> Besides, there are IPRs on the CGA algorithm... but RFC4941 itself doesn't > have >> any. SO this document would essentially IPR-encumber >> RFC4941 -- the farther that you can get from that, the better, I'd say. > :-) > > CGA has IPR but it does no

RE: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Hi there, > Just focus on the problem you're trying to solve, and provide references where > necessary. > Ok :-) > > > IMO, reason "1" is void: If an implementer is going through the effort of > implementing this document, he/she'd rather implement a god PRNG. > > Regarding "2", do you realy

Re: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Fernando Gont
On 08/09/2013 05:34 PM, Hosnieh Rafiee wrote: > >> * In Section 1, you should probably remove some of the general discussion > on >> security and privacy here. For instance, some of your definitions seem >> incomplete. > > Ok, I think I just did not want to jump to the topic and have a kind of >

RE: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-09 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Fernando, Thanks for your comments. > * In Section 1, you should probably remove some of the general discussion on > security and privacy here. For instance, some of your definitions seem > incomplete. Ok, I think I just did not want to jump to the topic and have a kind of introduction. Maybe I

Re: ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-08 Thread Fernando Gont
Hosnieh, Some comments: * In Section 1, you should probably remove some of the general discussion on security and privacy here. For instance, some of your definitions seem incomplete. * Section 6 is fine... but I don't think the rest of the stuff is needed. * Section 7 should probably be remove

ra-privacy : new version accomodated all the comments

2013-08-08 Thread Hosnieh Rafiee
Hello and thank you so much for your comments. I applied your comments and submitted a new version of the ra-privacy draft. I also removed the text concerning the application layer based lifetime from this draft. This draft, thus, just focuses on a few updates to RFC 4941 that address some defi