[The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

Don't mean to lower your hopes, guys, but last week we had another round of layoffs in NetBeans. 6 people were fired for (cca. 10% of the NB staffing) among them the owner of the maven support. In addition to that almost whole QE was reassigned to ADF testing. But officially NB is not being dropped

[The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

> @Casper, dont be a fanboi, they=Google!= the guy who sells pop corn in > the canteen.. Stop calling people fanboys and come up with solid argumentation instead, we are all here, at some level, a fanboy! >What "subtle degradation of Netbeans" are you referring to? Mind you, I never said they we

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: News from Oracle.

It may not be a patent troll today, O obviously started with some small items as a warning. They wont stop and will bring out patents at a later stage until they are satisfied. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this gr

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

> > Stop calling people fanboys and come up with solid argumentation > > @Casper, dont be a fanboi, they=Google!= the guy who sells pop corn in I only said fanboi (with my silly hat on) because it was you said Google made no money from Android when we all know that they make the money from ads and

[The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

> I only said fanboi (with my silly hat on) because it was you said Google > made no money from Android when we all know that they make the money from > ads and so on as has been discussed Yeah they have alternative/indirect motives based on their existing portfolio of revenue streams, but unlike

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/17/10 23:59 , Kirk wrote: > I visited the NetBeans profiling guys in Prague in June. If they > were being dropped, they certainly didn't know about it. In fact > they've been given quite a task to improve visualvm so I think > support for NBP is

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/18/10 09:10 , Jaroslav Bachorik wrote: > Don't mean to lower your hopes, guys, but last week we had another > round of layoffs in NetBeans. 6 people were fired for (cca. 10% of > the NB staffing) 10% is not 100%, right? :-) - -- Fabrizio Giudi

[The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

Well, yes. There is still some meat to cut. We got used to it :) There were 3 rounds of layoffs during the last year, each time cca. 10%. It becomes a kind of quarterly event LOL JB On Aug 18, 10:07 am, Fabrizio Giudici wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 8/18/10 09:1

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/18/10 03:04 , work only wrote: > @casper > > "I am certain Android attracts engineers over because it's open" - > that was my point (warm and fuzzy) and they do this to get > engineers to come to Android. > > It not like they are opening their se

[The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

> Add to this that if you publish an app on the Market, they don't > either open the statistics about YOUR app, if not for the two obvious > ones (downloads and active installations). They also know geographic > segmentation of users, brand/model segmentation and the reasons for > which an app has

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/18/10 11:19 , Casper Bang wrote: > Are you expecting Google to have no proprietary/closed corners at > all? No, it's a few days that we're saying that Google has got many closed corners :-) - -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manag

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

We cant judge a company and its motive based on the good motives of some or even all their employees. In the end like in this situation, its the outcome and not the fact that the Androiders are nice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" gr

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/18/10 10:14 , Jaroslav Bachorik wrote: > Well, yes. There is still some meat to cut. We got used to it :) > There were 3 rounds of layoffs during the last year, each time cca. > 10%. It becomes a kind of quarterly event LOL There have been massi

Re: [The Java Posse] News from Oracle.

On 8/17/2010 9:28 PM, Sean Comerford wrote: The big thing I keep seeing in all this "concern about Oracle" is that people continually forget or ignore WHY Sun and Java is now owned by Oracle: Sun focused on the wrong things (including being OVERLY concerned with the community) which led to the

Re: [The Java Posse] News from Oracle.

Honestly, I foresee the integration of Java with other suits of Oracle products... Logic is simple, profits... Sun might have made mistakes but surely there were some good points too.. I am just concerned that Oracle ,with time as profits start coming in, change its strategy and hurt the community

[The Java Posse] Re: Oracle Java suit -- could Google Web Toolkit be next?

A jewel is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Compared to Android, GWT has no monetary value to Oracle. -Brian On Aug 17, 1:36 am, mP wrote: > This is just a warning shot, the jewel in the crown is "Java" and what > it represents. -- You received this message because you are sub

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle Java suit -- could Google Web Toolkit be next?

I am not sure about that. Java is being used in an uncomfortable way in gwt..If the details are specific then no issues.However, it does seem like this were not specifically mentioned by Google. It may get into trouble... Thanks, JD On 8/17/10, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: > The lawsuit is about

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle Java suit -- could Google Web Toolkit be next?

It is not the GWT,but the lawsuit will sureely get them money/... Really..GWT must be having some worth..Don't forget the loss of opportunities here.. please... jd On 8/18/10, Brian Reilly wrote: > A jewel is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Compared > to Android, GWT has no mo

[The Java Posse] VJUG to close because Oracle has cast a long shadow over Java's future

On Aug 17, 11:44 am, Michael Neale wrote: > I think in summary of the last weeks happenings, we have our answer in > how Oracle will treat the community. VJUG (Victorian Java Users Group) will close because of the bad feelings brought on by Oracle suing Google. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/

Re: [The Java Posse] VJUG to close because Oracle has cast a long shadow over Java's future

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/18/10 16:41 , Robert Mark Bram wrote: > On Aug 17, 11:44 am, Michael Neale > wrote: >> I think in summary of the last weeks happenings, we have our >> answer in how Oracle will treat the community. > > VJUG (Victorian Java Users Group) will clos

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Oracle Java suit -- could Google Web Toolkit be next?

GWT could well be using the GPL'd version. With GWT, Google aren't actually shipping a product "containing" Java, instead they're "selling" a service that runs on top of a copy of the Java runtime that they have internally. This also means they can change as much as they want, without having to rel

[The Java Posse] About GPLv2 and patents

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have posted the following question to http://blog.headius.com/2010/08/my-thoughts-on-oracle-v-google.html, but it has been lost someway. There were other considerations too, but I'll focus on a single point. In the end, all the fears around are ab

[The Java Posse] Re: Are there invites for App Inventor?

I don't think invites are going out to the general public. I specifically got an invite, because I promised to present the tool at an Android Users Group, and a Google Technology Group (of which I am an organizer). While I may be "one of the lucky ones picked by google" - I make my own luck by be

[The Java Posse] Re: VJUG to close because Oracle has cast a long shadow over Java's future

There is no ONE community, but many fractions. Just as people will disagree over which IDE, which ORM etc. so will they disagree over the importance of this. I do understand the reactions especially from the most recent part of the community, those who do not have a prior substantial engagement wit

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: VJUG to close because Oracle has cast a long shadow over Java's future

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/18/10 18:34 , Casper Bang wrote: > There is no ONE community, but many fractions. Just as people will > disagree over which IDE, which ORM etc. so will they disagree over > the importance of this. I do understand the reactions especially > from t

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

@Casper :) "open stuff " again that's my point, they only open stuff up so developers with code for them because they know that this will grow Android. Google if a business and they are cut throat, they want Android to grow so they can make MONEY and that's all. Do you think if Google sold Andr

[The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

No, oracle dealing more damage to FOSS in one year than microsoft in the past ten is not a 'fact' at all. Exhibit A: Microsoft heavily sponsored Daryl McBride and company. And with this exhibit A, I'll now judge-dredd style act as jury and judge too, and call microsoft a bunch of FOSS hating liti

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

Thanks for saying that. I totally agree. > No, oracle dealing more damage to FOSS in one year than microsoft in > the past ten is not a 'fact' at all. > > Exhibit A: Microsoft heavily sponsored Daryl McBride and company. > > And with this exhibit A, I'll now judge-dredd style act as jury and > jud

[The Java Posse] Re: News from Oracle.

Due to continuing inane stupid commentary by Miroslav, Jitesh, and a few others, as well as a bunch of folks engaging in logical fallacies, such as claiming that corporations, being focussed on the money, are all equally bad for a community, I'm abandoning these threads and I'm not going to continu

[The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

> The real open source companies are companies that give away important code > like Facebook with *Apache Cassandra * and > Twitterhttp://twitter.com/about/opensource Ohhh "important code", if only you had mentioned that to begin with... here I am going on and on abou

[The Java Posse] Re: Are there invites for App Inventor?

I got it by submitting a request through their app inventor announcement page. I did say that I have a podcast of my own and I will be trying it out and provide a review. On Aug 18, 10:18 am, Mike Wolfson wrote: > I don't think invites are going out to the general public. > > I specifically got

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

I should have thought that guice and guava collections are pretty important, no? On 18 August 2010 19:18, Casper Bang wrote: > > The real open source companies are companies that give away important > code > > like Facebook with *Apache Cassandra * and > > Twitterht

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: News from Oracle.

Excuse me..I never said that all are like that..You must be really mistaken..No two oraganizations are the same in principles or even their ways of doing business. I think you need to cool down and look at other people's perceptions with a little more courage.. By the way, please dont dare call m

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: News from Oracle.

I'll forever be in awe of Xerox for inventing the GUI, and Smalltalk They must surely have inspired the Sun-that-was. On 18 August 2010 20:15, jitesh dundas wrote: > Excuse me..I never said that all are like that..You must be really > mistaken..No two oraganizations are the same in principles o

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: News from Oracle.

Yup I agree with you Kevin.Interesting pointers.. Again,Bell Labs is another super place USA has produced some really good scientists in the past ..Tim Berners Lee is like God to me.. Thanks, JD On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Kevin Wright wrote: > I'll forever be in awe of Xerox for inv

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: News from Oracle.

On Thu, 2010-08-19 at 01:11 +0530, jitesh dundas wrote: [ . . . ] > USA has produced some really good scientists in the past ..Tim Berners > Lee is like God to me.. He is from the UK. Research done that made him famous done in Switzerland. -- Russel.

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: News from Oracle.

1)Ya i KNow..Those were two separate statements.Sorry I was not clear in my writing.. 2) Do you know that maximum % of the nobel laureates are from USA? Hope that clarifies the reply..Thanks for your reply..I didnt know about his research part though.Thanks.. Regards, JD On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at

[The Java Posse] Desktop application and browser communication

What is the best way for communication between browser and desktop application? One of the scenario is like, while user browsing a site, he clicks on a button. On click of that, we want the browser to communicate to swing application running on user's desktop. Once the communication is initiated, t

[The Java Posse] Re: Desktop application and browser communication

I'd recommend a Jabber (XMPP) solution -- most often used as a chat protocol, it has a lot of flexibility, and it's great for this kind of direct communication. Smack is a well-known Java implementation. There seem to be several projects out there that offer AJAX to XMPP bindings, which could hand

[The Java Posse] Re: Desktop application and browser communication

Thanks for the suggestion, I will look into it. But here the important thing is, the communication is initiated by the browser, and then the client just continues. Otherwise client have no clue when to start communication. As I said, I do not know if xmpp takes care of that. But I will definitely l

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: News from Oracle.

Do you mean: a) Of all Nobel laureates, the most commonly occurring nationality is USA Or that: b) the proportion of USA citizens holding a Nobel laureate is higher than the proportion of nationals of any other country Because a) is a useless statement, it hasn't normalised against the relative p

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: News from Oracle.

B) IS CORRECT..THANKS.. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Kevin Wright wrote: > Do you mean: a) Of all Nobel laureates, the most commonly occurring > nationality is USA > Or that: b) the proportion of USA citizens holding a Nobel laureate is > higher than the proportion of nationals of any other c

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: News from Oracle.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Oracles-Google-Lawsuit-All-About-Ego-Money-and-Power-278678/ http://www.pcworld.com/article/203238/oracle_v_google_farreaching_implications_of_the_lawsuit.html iS THIS Useful ? On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:25 AM, jitesh dundas wrote: > B) IS CORREC

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: News from Oracle.

but maybe thats because people get their education somewhere else and then go to the states for research (and money and so on) and end up citizens there before getting the nobel price.. These statistical comparisons are always close to pointless if you take a detailed look.. manfred > B) IS CORR

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: News from Oracle.

I agree to an extent..However, that is true that USA has done well in giving good scientists to the world..No bias her.I am sure that other countries are doing well too.. UK,China has a good resource pool in this direction.. Coming back to the Topic we are following so closely.. *http://java.dz

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: News from Oracle.

Based on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_country I can see that the UK has 117 laureates, and the US has 320 laureates Giving the US roughly 2.7 times as many laureates as the UK Furthermore, from here:

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: News from Oracle.

Sigh, sorry to be rude but you people are way off topic :) Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Kevin Wright wrote: > Based on this: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_country > > I can see that the UK has 117 laureates, and the US has 320 laureates > Giv

[The Java Posse] Re: News from Oracle.

Yes, the US is far from the top per capita. Though if you look at only hard sciences laureates for the past 60 years alone the US will slide up the list a bit. (Who cares about peace and literature anyway [sic]) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_country_per_capita I think th

[The Java Posse] Re: VJUG to close because Oracle has cast a long shadow over Java's future

Hi Fabrizio, > There's clearly a missing point. I'm not arguing about the > interpretation of the facts: I'm the first one who's not sure of > anything and I can't exclude that things will go really bad. I'm > arguing that one might take drastic decisions, such as shutting down a > JUG, after just

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: VJUG to close because Oracle has cast a long shadow over Java's future

I would think JUG's in many places are struggling. It takes a lot of work and needs a group of people, not just one or two champions. Many people go to these meetings when they have something to gain. Free training, interesting topics, free food, etc. The number of people giving talks at the JUG ne

Re: [The Java Posse] VJUG to close because Oracle has cast a long shadow over Java's future

Mmmm, we ( Auckland Java User Group ) here in New Zealand were planning a big 3hour ish Android session for our next JUG event, which is hosted at the Oracle offices here in town, now we're wondering if we should go ahead, or find an alternative venue - or a permanent alternate venue -- Pull

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

Of course we are talking about "important" or "significant" code when we are discussing Googles contributions back to OSS. The only or perhaps the most significant tool they have donated and made open is GWT. Even after the end of Wave, i am not sure why they made the server side stuff available bu

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Disappointment in Oracle

Guava is great but a library not a complete platform. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googleg

[The Java Posse] Re: About GPLv2 and patents

Interesting thoughts. This article kind of touches on it (as does the link through to Carlo Daffara's blog). http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/08/oracles-java-lawsuit-undermines-its-open-source-credibility.ars IANAL but I think the question (yet to be answered / tested in court perhap

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: News from Oracle.

Dear Kevin, Thanks for your reply .I beg to differ on this. Nobel prize isn't a com,odity that any one gets.it is the quality & not the quantity of people that matters. Furthermore,what has number of people got to do with this..Your parameters are wrong.. Anyways,2000 or 30 ,what matters is

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: News from Oracle.

Perfectly said Matthew..Explains my point of view better..Kevin my friend, I hope you listen.. Just FYI..I got into Oxford last year for a Phd and couldnt persue due to funding issues..:(.. I like UK too but let us talk science here - specifically the NEWS FROM ORACLE stuff.. Thanks, jd On Thu,

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: News from Oracle.

Must not forget that South Africa dropped a world cup when Gibbs dropped Waugh. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to jav