[The Java Posse] Re: Excellent article about Google's response to Oracle

2010-10-19 Thread Casper Bang
You're making a logic insinuation here that anything C# does is good enough for Java. Well I could've picked from several other languages, i.e. Ruby [http:// ruby-doc.org/core/classes/Float.html] but it just so happens that C# is the closest younger sibling to Java. Is it a good name? Not

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Excellent article about Google's response to Oracle

2010-10-19 Thread Miroslav Pokorny
Who does not love mscorlib.dll, now if only java.* was sun.java.* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to

[The Java Posse] Re: Excellent article about Google's response to Oracle

2010-10-19 Thread Casper Bang
For sure one has to love the 2MB size of mscorlib.dll, compared to rt.jar of 52MB. On Oct 19, 9:02 am, Miroslav Pokorny miroslav.poko...@gmail.com wrote: Who does not love mscorlib.dll, now if only java.* was sun.java.* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Creative solution for the equality problem: Am I missing something?

2010-10-19 Thread Kevin Wright
I've done some more checking and there IS a fatal flaw in my scheme: Even a .getMethod() lookup on a public method runs a security check and can thus result in a SecurityException. No clue why. I guess one could catch the SecurityException and guess, but that's a very bad idea as it would

[The Java Posse] Re: Creative solution for the equality problem: Am I missing something?

2010-10-19 Thread Casper Bang
Am I the only person who read the title of this thread and though great, another hair-brained scheme to get more women into CS? Nope. And it's probably the single best argument for seeking an alternative language, I have seen in a while here - we need a reboot. -- You received this message

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Excellent article about Google's response to Oracle

2010-10-19 Thread Miroslav Pokorny
My main point was Microsoft says that they say c# and the clr are a standard, so they dont include microsoft in their packages(namesspaces) naming and yet we have mscorlib.dll. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this

[The Java Posse] Re: Excellent article about Google's response to Oracle

2010-10-19 Thread Carl Jokl
I don't ðink ðat it is a fair like for like comparison. Given ðat .Net is made up of modules and ðe JDK is all in one blob, mscorlib is only equivalent to ðe most core part of ðe Java runtime. Project Jigsaw seems to be getting Java to be modularised in a similar way to .Net. If you were to look

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Excellent article about Google's response to Oracle

2010-10-19 Thread Miroslav Pokorny
But why call it mscorlib why not keep nice vendor names out and name it corlib ? On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Carl Jokl carl.j...@gmail.com wrote: I don't ðink ðat it is a fair like for like comparison. Given ðat .Net is made up of modules and ðe JDK is all in one blob, mscorlib is only

[The Java Posse] Re: Excellent article about Google's response to Oracle

2010-10-19 Thread Casper Bang
You are whining over the fact that the name of a binary assembly possibly hints at an implementation provider? I don't actually think your comparison makes sense, as Java completely lacks the concept of versioned assemblies (hopefully Jigsaw will change that) - you either have JSE, or not. When

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Excellent article about Google's response to Oracle

2010-10-19 Thread Kevin Wright
Surely you mean: I don't ðink þat it is a fair like for like comparison. Given þat .Net is made up of modules and þe JDK is all in one blob, mscorlib is only equivalent to þe most core part of þe Java runtime. Project Jigsaw seems to be getting Java to be modularised in a similar way to .Net. If

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Excellent article about Google's response to Oracle

2010-10-19 Thread Kevin Wright
On 19 October 2010 12:28, Carl Jokl carl.j...@gmail.com wrote: I apologise. I am not properly trained to use these characters. I am still not sure what the rule is to use the spoken or unspoken character. I will refrain from using them temporarily until I am properly trained. The trick I

[The Java Posse] POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-19 Thread Christian Catchpole
screen colour = black border colour = black cursor colour = white (and i remembered that from 1987) http://twitpic.com/2yzlcp -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Creative solution for the equality problem: Am I missing something?

2010-10-19 Thread Ricky Clarkson
No real shame on Java though; equality is broken to varying degrees in most programming languages. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Gabriel Claramunt gabriel.claram...@gmail.com wrote: Coincidentally, I was reading the same Effective Java chapter and it dawned to me that the generalization of

[The Java Posse] Re: Creative solution for the equality problem: Am I missing something?

2010-10-19 Thread grydholt
On Oct 19, 4:01 am, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote: I guess search in PDF is broken. The equals contract, nor any other, stipulate that you need to adhere to Liskov. They do, however, stipulate the transitive, reflexive, symmetric rule. The suggested equals implementation is

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Creative solution for the equality problem: Am I missing something?

2010-10-19 Thread Liam Knox
Don't worry think first about Quantum Dynamics before getting into these over philosophical dialogs about an equals method On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Ricky Clarkson ricky.clark...@gmail.comwrote: No real shame on Java though; equality is broken to varying degrees in most programming

[The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-19 Thread CKoerner
I remember poking my TRS-80 Color Computer, which awesome chicklet style keyboard and 4K of ram. Fire up the cassette player we have programs to load! I have to wonder how kids today would react if you sat them down at a computer and it booted into basic. Ha! -- You received this message

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-19 Thread Josh Berry
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:50 PM, CKoerner chessm...@gmail.com wrote: I have to wonder how kids today would react if you sat them down at a computer and it booted into basic.  Ha! To be fair, it isn't like most kids back in the day were excited about this style thing. :) -- You received this

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-19 Thread Alexey Zinger
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Just give them a snazzy new phone with a camera and music and maps and whatever and stick a BASIC app on it. If you market it as retro and hacky, so much the better. Maybe sell it with a fix gear bicycle rebate coupon -- they'll eat that

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Excellent article about Google's response to Oracle

2010-10-19 Thread Miroslav Pokorny
English also needs more vowels letters even for diphthongs(sp?)... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to

[The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-19 Thread Christian Catchpole
from memory 3C8 is the IO port for character ram?? You needs something with a loop :) Hows about my old favourite on the C64. Increment the border colour in a tight loop. .C:c000 EE 20 D0 INC $D020 .C:c003 4C 00 C0 JMP $C000 Good old SYS 49152 http://twitpic.com/2z3ucr On Oct

Re: [The Java Posse] POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-19 Thread Jonathan Fuerth
Or POKE 646,1 to turn the cursor white, I recall... Fun times! -Jonathan On Oct 19, 2010 8:57 AM, Christian Catchpole christ...@catchpole.net wrote: screen colour = black border colour = black cursor colour = white (and i remembered that from 1987) http://twitpic.com/2yzlcp -- You

[The Java Posse] Re: POKE 53281,0; POKE 53280,0; CTRL 2

2010-10-19 Thread Christian Catchpole
yes, i did think Joe should have approached that more programatically On Oct 20, 9:04 am, Jonathan Fuerth fue...@fuerth.ca wrote: Or POKE 646,1 to turn the cursor white, I recall... Fun times! -Jonathan On Oct 19, 2010 8:57 AM, Christian Catchpole christ...@catchpole.net wrote: screen