[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-26 Thread Peter Becker
Isn't that one of the reasons why you are supposed to load your favorite JS libraries from a content delivery network? That way they get cached across multiple applications, but since you can refer to a particularly version you can upgrade at your liking. Peter Michael Kimsal wrote: > Bun

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-26 Thread Michael Kimsal
Bundled doesn't mean that they could not be upgraded. Pre-loaded might be a better term, but I didn't think people would misinterpret bundled. If FF3 comes bundled with my Linux distro, that doesn't mean that I can't upgrade to FF4 when it comes out, it just saves me the time and hassle of instal

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-26 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 08:57:10AM -0400, Michael Kimsal wrote: > I think that may have been misunderstood. I'm suggesting that browser > makers might actually bundle the javascript libraries with the browser > directly, such that no downloading of anything extra (other than your app's > js code)

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-26 Thread Joshua Marinacci
On Mar 26, 2009, at 5:57 AM, Michael Kimsal wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Joshua Marinacci > wrote: > > On Mar 24, 2009, at 9:23 AM, Michael Kimsal wrote: > >> To whatever extent RIA tech (Silverlight, Flex, JavaFX, whatever) >> forces people to upgrade rather than offering t

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-26 Thread Michael Kimsal
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Joshua Marinacci wrote: > > On Mar 24, 2009, at 9:23 AM, Michael Kimsal wrote: > > To whatever extent RIA tech (Silverlight, Flex, JavaFX, whatever) forces > people to upgrade rather than offering them a 'less than current but still > functional' experience, it'll

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-26 Thread Steven Herod
Josh: I've had more than one AIR app fail to start because it was for an earlier version of the AIR runtime than I had, the EXT-JS online help was one of them, so versioning of AIR apps/runtimes has been an issue for me. Joe D: There is an important difference between Silverlight/Air and JavaFX (

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-25 Thread Joe Data
On Mar 25, 1:54 pm, Joshua Marinacci wrote: > That's why caching is   > important and why JavaFX hitting 100m downloads of the runtime is   > important. It means that there are 100m desktops that can run your   > JavaFX app without having to download the runtime. (100m was in feb,   > i'm sure it

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-25 Thread Joshua Marinacci
Mar 24, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Alexey Zinger > wrote: > > > Yahoo Mail does this kind of rich text editor (including dragging > images off other browser windows). I haven't looked very deeply > into it yet, but it seems to be done primarily with JavaScript. > > Alexe

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-25 Thread RogerV
First order of business for Sun marketing is never pay any mind or give any notice of the second string competition of the likes of Silverlight. Concentrate on the #1 player - Adobe Flex/AIR. Second item - go after Adobe AIR. This is the place where JavaFX (founded on a Java SE runtime) can defin

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-24 Thread Steven Herod
ow so used to, > > such as addressability and uniformity? > > > /Casper > > > On 24 Mar., 17:39, Alexey Zinger wrote: > > > > Just checked, and you're quite right. > > > > Alexey > > > > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, phil swenson wrote: >

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-24 Thread Michael Neale
"If you really want to provide something interesting I'd build a rich text editor that can be easily embedded in a web app. " That would be awesome - if it was as simple to use as ... (and free/libre) I would provide my first born. Sure she would put up a fight, but dad knows best. On Mar 25, 1:

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-24 Thread phil swenson
editor > > > (including dragging images off other browser windows).  I > > > haven't looked very deeply into it yet, but it seems to > > > be done primarily with JavaScript. > > > > > Alexey > > > > > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, phil swenson > > >

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-24 Thread Casper Bang
> Alexey > > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, phil swenson wrote: > > > From: phil swenson > > Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for > > Java / JavaFX coders  with time on their hands... > > To: "The Java Posse" > >

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-24 Thread Casper Bang
checked, and you're quite right. > > Alexey > > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, phil swenson wrote: > > > From: phil swenson > > Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for > > Java / JavaFX coders  with time on their hands... > >

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-24 Thread Alexey Zinger
Just checked, and you're quite right. Alexey --- On Tue, 3/24/09, phil swenson wrote: > From: phil swenson > Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for > Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands... > To: "The Java Posse&qu

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-24 Thread Michael Kimsal
ext editor (including dragging images > off other browser windows). I haven't looked very deeply into it yet, but > it seems to be done primarily with JavaScript. > > Alexey > > > > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, phil swenson wrote: > > > From: phil swenson > &g

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-24 Thread phil swenson
done primarily with JavaScript. > > Alexey > > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, phil swenson wrote: > > > From: phil swenson > > Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for > > Java / JavaFX coders  with time on their hands... > > To:

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-24 Thread Alexey Zinger
: [The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for > Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands... > To: "The Java Posse" > Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 10:53 AM > Uploaders are all over the place in Flash and I really doubt > that Java > can do

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-24 Thread phil swenson
Uploaders are all over the place in Flash and I really doubt that Java can do a better job than Flash. Flash's install is nicer, faster, smaller, and has more market share. If you really want to provide something interesting I'd build a rich text editor that can be easily embedded in a web app.

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-24 Thread Michael Kimsal
If you were google or facebook, what would be the 'win' for writing a Java uploader at this point in time? To say that you've got one? To make people choose between the two? To have to write extra code to detect and choose a 'best' one? To write more code to remember which uploader a person cho

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-24 Thread fcassia
On Mar 23, 8:03 pm, Michael Neale wrote: > I have noticed facebook use a signed applet apploade for images (or at > least they used to). But I wouldn't be surprised if they moved to > flash as well (just slightly less intrusive user experience). I know > java 6u10 fixed a lot of this, but its

[The Java Posse] Re: Getting Google to embrace JavaFX -> Idea for Java / JavaFX coders with time on their hands...

2009-03-23 Thread Michael Neale
I think they would be looking at flash: GMail now uses a flash based uploader. I have noticed facebook use a signed applet apploade for images (or at least they used to). But I wouldn't be surprised if they moved to flash as well (just slightly less intrusive user experience). I know java 6u10 fi