What I'm saying is that I never found the user experience on the Nokia
phone convincing -- independent of the question what the application was
programmed in. To some extent the JavaME ones might have been better --
you get the longer startup time, but at least they don't crash your
phone by
Joshua Marinacci wrote:
So I think you are saying that JavaME has been useful, but fallen
behind the times. It is now far from cutting edge and you wouldn't
target it for new products. I agree. Sun is aware of this and we have
been are taking steps to address it. The partnerships and
You say you're seeing a lot: what does joe the average do with them?
Email, browsing, yellow-pages, stocks, currencies, TV-guide etc., much
the same as I see for the iPhone (but don't see for Nokia's). You
raise an interesting aspect though, of the few J2ME applications I
have run into in the
Casper Bang wrote:
On 1 Jul., 14:30, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it
wrote:
Can you define popular? Possibly in terms of number of installations?
Thanks. :-)
I can try, although I won't jump on the number bandwagon as I think
that's utterly pointless. Most people
Casper Bang wrote:
- Android is a superset of J2ME and supports generics etc. making J2ME
looking more stale than ever.
J2ME *is* stale. It's stuck with the Java language as it was prior to
Java-5 -- and neither Sun nor any J2ME partner (at least none I asked at
JavaOne) has any plans to
Yes then you are right, if you only wish to focus on something
quantifiable as potential installation numbers in the wild, then the
discussion is pointless and starts to look like you're just bull-
baiting me into coming up with a number. However I would still love to
know what then you think of
On 1 Jul., 17:14, Joshua Marinacci jos...@gmail.com wrote:
This is incorrect. There are over a billion installations of Java on
cellphones. Google has made J2ME based clients before Android and
continues to do so. If you want to hit more than 5% of the market you
have to use Java.
Whether
Pointing out that Google also targets J2SE doesn't prove much, given
that they are also more than willing to make Obj-C clients for the
iPhone and other non-J2ME devices. Google is just like that, they go
after the marked and tries to win the hart of users regardless of
underlying
I give up, seems like everyone equates popularity with potential
marked share regardless of how many actually USES their Symbian phone
for anything but calls and messages (I have yet to meet one). I think
it's naïve to care only for such a marketing metric, but if that's
your definition of
You were talking about why developers, and Google in particular, might
or might not target JavaME. I'm telling you why. Google is practical
and targets large markets, so they build JavaME clients. A much
better question is why does Google target the iPhone which has such a
small
I think the average user profile for a Symbian phone user is very different
from that of an average iPhone (and now Android) user. Most people using
J2ME-capable mobile devices aren't nearly as likely to want to spend money on
3rd party apps as their iPhone and Android counterparts. So it's
From what I've heared from sources in the industry whom I unfortunately
cannot name, developing for J2ME is less pleasant than stabbing yourself in
the face with a sharp and rusty object repeatedly.
So basically: It doesn't matter how many installations there are, very few
people like to stab
Viktor Klang wrote:
From what I've heared from sources in the industry whom I
unfortunately cannot name, developing for J2ME is less pleasant than
stabbing yourself in the face with a sharp and rusty object repeatedly.
So basically: It doesn't matter how many installations there are, very
The point, as Joshua said, is that TODAY
Android is only a very small fraction of the market. Since it's pushed
by Google, it can do very well, but - again - I'm not talking of trends
and predictions; it's an argument that I'm not interested of. I posted
in this discussion only to argue
I actually have a few things installed on my E65, although the only J2ME
app I currently use is 5ud0ku :-)
And to support your point:
- I would not consider myself an average user
- my next phone is certainly not going to be Nokia or Symbian-based
I have used a few things on the phone over the
Casper Bang wrote:
See that's because you equate popularity with runtime distribution
count, which is a red herring.
Casper, please don't assert I'm saying things that I'm not saying :-)
Let's talk about USE, but explain how it's possible that people feel
most popular a thing that most
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