[JSMentors] Re: Today, Web Development Sucks

2011-02-04 Thread Rey Bango
I'm closing this topic because it's not productive at all. Please everyone, let's focus on solving real problems, not bickering over personal feelings about libraries. Rey -- To view archived discussions from the original JSMentors Mailman list:

Re: [JSMentors] Re: Today, Web Development Sucks

2011-02-03 Thread Sergio Cinos
2011/2/3 Guillaume Andrieu gh...@taleo-initiative.org: What should I recommend to new employees in my company when they have to learn Javascript, who have to start coding with Javascript without having had any proper formation ? Why do you have people that needs to start coding JavaScript

[JSMentors] Re: Today, Web Development Sucks

2011-02-03 Thread RobG
On Feb 3, 6:39 pm, Guillaume Andrieu gh...@taleo-initiative.org wrote: Hi Rob. A consequence of using most general purpose libraries is that because they only support a small number of current browsers and don't tolerate new browsers very well (a consequence of their poor code quality

Re: [JSMentors] Re: Today, Web Development Sucks

2011-02-03 Thread Chris Heilmann
Well written, robust code that uses appropriate feature detection and fall back strategies is not difficult to write. That's why the web is full of that, right? If you write for yourself or an app for your hairdresser, yes. If you write in a company decisions are made by committee, not

[JSMentors] Re: Today, Web Development Sucks

2011-02-03 Thread Michael Haufe (TNO)
On Feb 3, 6:38 am, Chris Heilmann code...@gmail.com wrote: Well written, robust code that uses appropriate feature detection and fall back strategies is not difficult to write. That's why the web is full of that, right? If you write for yourself or an app for your hairdresser, yes. If you

Re: [JSMentors] Re: Today, Web Development Sucks

2011-02-03 Thread Chris Heilmann
Some cheese with that whine? All the big libraries are open source and very much in use. If you really are that gifted and care about what people use on the web, file bugs and fix these oh so poorly written libraries. I see comments like this often, but this is easier said than done and I

Re: [JSMentors] Re: Today, Web Development Sucks

2011-02-03 Thread Ryan Grove
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Garrett Smith dhtmlkitc...@gmail.com wrote: And I've filed well over a dozen bugs on YUI. I've submitted patches and even forked YUI so that I could help with that (my Github username is GarrettS) YUI bugs didn't get fixed. I've gone into more detail about that

Re: [JSMentors] Re: Today, Web Development Sucks

2011-02-03 Thread Garrett Smith
On 2/3/11, Ryan Grove r...@wonko.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Garrett Smith dhtmlkitc...@gmail.com wrote: And I've filed well over a dozen bugs on YUI. I've submitted patches and even forked YUI so that I could help with that (my Github username is GarrettS) YUI bugs didn't get

Re: [JSMentors] Re: Today, Web Development Sucks

2011-02-03 Thread Ryan Grove
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Garrett Smith dhtmlkitc...@gmail.com wrote: http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/1922892 Patched that myself too. I can't speak for anyone else, but the insulting tone you used in the comment on this ticket can't have helped your chances of convincing

Re: [JSMentors] Re: Today, Web Development Sucks

2011-02-03 Thread Garrett Smith
On 2/3/11, Ryan Grove r...@wonko.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Garrett Smith dhtmlkitc...@gmail.com wrote: http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/1922892 Patched that myself too. I can't speak for anyone else, but the insulting tone you used in the comment on this ticket

Re: [JSMentors] Re: Today, Web Development Sucks

2011-02-03 Thread Garrett Smith
On 2/3/11, Ryan Grove r...@wonko.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Garrett Smith dhtmlkitc...@gmail.com wrote: http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/1922892 Patched that myself too. I can't speak for anyone else, but the insulting tone you used in the comment on this ticket

[JSMentors] Re: Today, Web Development Sucks

2011-02-02 Thread RobG
On Feb 3, 6:17 am, Guillaume Andrieu subtena...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 February 2011 20:22, Garrett Smith dhtmlkitc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Garrett. Thanks for your critic eye to this article. But I'd like you to expand a bit on this: JS Libraries are by and for incompetents. I wonder