I have illustrations for:
Seed headed
Glass headed
Detachable head
Medium pins
Small Pins
Sealing wax head
Bone Pins
Striver
Thorn pins
Corking pins
Long Tom pins
Very long pins
Divider pins
Seed head
So this is the list that is left:
* Burr Heads or Sweethearts. (?seed hea
Thanks to members I have some good pics for this pin.
We can take Divider off the list.
Great stuff.
Brian
I should add that many who wrote to me had no idea there were so many
functional pins in our history. Me too, it is surprising list.
Diana has helped me (or my memory.) I wi
Hello,
Here is your begging cousin from Oz!
I have decided that creating a dictionary is so much more than having a good
collection of bobbins and the issue of illustrating the various pins is
causing me difficulty.
I have an historical list of pins used in lace making, I have a f
You will be able to deduce I am up "D" in the dictionary development.
I do not have a picture of an Antique divider pin. can anyone help please?
Long, specially decorated. You know best
Is it ok I keep asking you good people for help? I could ask my "particular
friends" (Jane Austin) if i
Well, how quick can that be. Thank you
So those who are keen to take pictures for me.. kindly be patient as I am
sure to have another request!
Amazing Arachnids.
Brian
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Hello friends,
It has been so nice to receive your support following my note to you all.
One person has volunteered to edit and chase me up to complete the
"Dictionary" so today I am working on it.
My original intention was to publish it in the normal way, but a better way
would be to
Hello friends,
Yes indeed I am a sleeper on the list, that occasionally bursts into action
when an antique bobbin comes up for comment.
I need to say that though I am not as old as many of my era, ( I am 80) I
am clearly slowing down. I am just not as sharp as I used to be and though
I st
This is not my subject however, as a self appointed guardian of East
Midland lace activities I would like to point you to H J Yallop. The
History of the Honiton Lace Industry. Exeter Press.
I know that Mrs Bury Palliser. History of Lace. Dover Press, does not have a
good reputation for accu
Whiting's books. They are
favourite, but... Exeter... not at all happy.
Brian Lemin
Cooranbong. Australia
www.ukulelejass.com
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Re the exposed piece of thread. Time to re invent the Noquette to keep it
covered.
Brian
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turner with a practical and imaginative mind.
Nice to say hello to you all again!
Brian
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e in power outages to read with. Not the best but it worked.
Brian
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Firstly i do not know the answer to your question.
Do they follow the Spanish styles? If so many would be quite large and fat
and even long. No spangles certainly. However there is a high use of
plain, almost Honiton like bobbins (with no pointed end)
How's that for a useless contribution?
OK I have no idea what is happening.
As for me, i will just stick to plain text and keep my fingers crossed!
Sorry to have messed you all around!
Brian
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That email seemed to come through fine. So this time I am sending it in
HTML.
Unless other have a different experience, it seems that plain text solves the
problems we are having?
I am really guilty of this, as i write as I speak, and put in brackets my
asides and emphasis.
Like Joepie, I thoug
I am really guilty of this, as i write as I speak, and put in brackets my
asides and emphasis.
Like Joepie, I thought it would be solved by setting my default to plain
text. Clearly this is not the case.
I know one member of the list uses different punctuation marks, so without
your kind per
My start in writing articles stemmed from reading some articles and thinking
âI can do better than thatâ.. so I tried and did it.
It was the start of a personal resolution to get something of professional
interest published twice a year. I nearly achieved that in my professional
life, if i ta
I have a couple of offers for which i a most grateful.. so you guys have been
a life saver.
Many thanks.. I respectfully suggest that if all come to fruition i will not
need any more.
Brian
Ps.. as i go through this project I suspect i will be asking for more help.
All should be revealed in about
Can anyone help me with a picture of the above please.
If you can it may well pop up on the internet in a big venture i am working if
that is OK by any donor?
For the most part a picture taken from say 2 feet and in focus usually does.
You can use flash if you like. In-focus is the key thing.
I have been fascinated by this thread, of course not as a lace maker but a
bobbin historian.
My comments are totally subjective and I have not done any analysis of the
correspondence, but some of the comments and advice related to spangles/
continental style bobbins /shape of pillows, and the such
For time to time folks drop me a note to say how hard it is to find my article
that i post, and i can understand that.
I usually give the thus URL with my email :
https://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/lace.html#webdocs. I try and make
it a live link that you will just click on.
On my compu
https://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/lace.html
Special thanks to John Cropper webmaster
Just an excuse to show you some pretty and interesting pictures.
Brian
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Lemin, Brian. The Gertrude Whiting Spangle Illustration, 10 pages. Posted
May 21, 2014
A large and very pretty spangle, that until now we have not been able to see
in full colour unless you visit the Met museums web page.
Brian .
I would love one. Mind you on retirement i told myself that I would not
anymore do two things:
1. Swop and change queues in the Supermarket. I now choose a queue and
wait!
2. I would not practice academic writing anymore. I had my fill of
that -needful- but frustrating discipline. That is
I would love one. Mind you on retirement i told myself that I would not
anymore do two things:
1. Swop and change queues in the Supermarket. I now choose a queue and wait!
2. I would not practice academic writing anymore. I had my fill of that
âneedfulâ but frustrating discipline. That is
I dropped a note to say that i had made some progress on identification of
some Honiton bobbin decorators. Until today i had not seen Janet Ritters
article in Lace 152. I did not know the progress she has made in this
area..., far more advanced than I am.
I apologise and look forward to her futu
John Cropper has kindly posted my first Mills and Boon... bobbin love story!
Lemin, Brian. A Bobbin Love Story, 8 pages. Posted May 18, 2014. found on:
https://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/lace.html#webdocs
Just an excuse to show you a few East Devon Bobbins.
Brian
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As a preliminary communication I need to tell you have pictures of two Downton
gimp bobbins, both of which are older than the Salisbury museum dated bobbin
(1693) ( see my article on webdocs Arizona. England's Oldest Bobbin..etc)
Until this find, the Salisbury museum bobbin was the oldest âdat
Can anyone point me to a source for this information on GW please. I have
only found a few scrappy bits and i would like to know more.
Thanks
Brian
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I have been given the impression that this this person... "Isobel Rendell of
Wells" ...may have a great collection of Honiton bobbins.
I do not want anyone to impinge on that person or families' privacy, but I
would really like to make contact with her.
If anyone can help ethically, I would b
The East Devon work is taking quite a bit of time, meantime I am writing an
article on the most fabulous spangle In Gertrude Whitings book p 207 (item
3)Old time tools and toys of needlework.
I would really like to be able to name the various beads used in the spangle.
I have Christine's booklet a
Dear All,
Trust me to get all excited and have to share it with you. With great
respect to non bobbin enthusiasts, I know only a few will be interested..
That is fair enough.
As Diana has found with East Midland bobbins the issue of alphabet style of
the makers is quite significant when it
This is written in plain text
1. I noticed that my Brackets are a pain when I go to read my posts.
2. It looks as though I can use * * in place of them
3. If i write in plain text will the brackets be OK? ()
I hope to see the answers to my own questions
Thanks
Brian
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Just a note to let you know that my latest flurry of writing and upgrading of
articles to the Arizona site is as followsâ:
The Lace Bobbins of East Devon, 22 pages.
This started life as a possible booklet many years ago. It is time I put it
up for general reading. I have to say that though it
I have popped two articles (thanks to john Cropper) on Arizona:
https://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/lace.html#webdocs
One is a pretty detailed review of East Devon Bobbins that i have sat upon for
long time.
The Lace Bobbins of East Devon, 22 pages
The other is just a brief stab at tryin
I found the archived version of the lace fairy site as i was trying to rescue
stuff i wrote for that site and did not put on to Arizona.
The big problem with the archived site is often there is a lack of images in
many of the articles.
The only article that I am worried about (i.e. did not have b
You will know that I am passionate about lace bobbins. I started with the
East Midland genre, then moved on to East Devon bobbins and for some years i
have been urged to turn my mind to the bobbins of the âEuropeanâ
continent.
Over the years some people have kindly sent me some bobbins either
Just a note to let you know that Diana Smith and I have just sent an article
for possible publication on the Uni of Arizona web site.
https://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/lace.html#webdocs
It proposes that the Lord Nelson MiB hand carved bobbin that appeared on ebay
last year was more than
This is interesting. I found it when i was trying to find an example of lace
made by French Napoleonic PoWs (do you know of any might be around?)
http://unpublishedwriterblog.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/jane-austens-aunt-almos
t-another-criminal-statistic/
But perhaps you all know about this story?
I have now taken some time to look at the printing on the bobbin and comparing
the lettering with other identified makers (Springett)
1. I am as near certain as i can be using photographs on ebay that none of the
Springett makers did that lettering.
2. I have followed up the comments of the selle
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Beautiful-Victorian-antique-inscribed-bone-lace-bob
bin-w-romantic-message-/221414498570?pt=UK_Antiques_AntiqueTextiles_EH&hash=i
tem338d55210a#ht_359wt_1186
There is a gentleman selling a number of his wife's bobbins collected over the
past 20 years. He indicated the po
Trust me to blow it!!
The East Midland bobbins have a rich array of graphics should read "East
Devon"...not East Midland... sorry
Brian
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Thankyou Tess for this news.
Most of you probably know that I use this site for pretty well all of my web
publishing. I have a scad of things up there for those interested in lace
bobbins and their history etc. (Some of you helped me write them in a
collaborative manner... do remember that?)
If you want a non needlework tool suggestion, then a "Knife Rest" might fit
the bill. (Keep it off the table cloth!)\\\Oh well.
Brian
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From: Agnes Boddington
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:11 AM
To: lace@arachne.com
Subject: RE: [lace] Another "lace bobbin" o
As a mere mail, may i apologize for my Freudian slip in the header!!!
Brian
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It is stating what everyone will know that they are not lace bobbins. The
thing is What are they?
Well I looked up my sewing tools books and found nothing, so i am up for a
guessing game.
Say, Chopstick rests? Knife holders? Pretty things to look at!
There are vague likenesses to the Porthole
I have to say that the modern world we live in, that seems not to give a fig
about intellectual property is a great concern. "Stealing" seems to have
taken on a different meaning to many.
I oft-times make model airplanes (RC models) and the convention that we
appear to have taken on is that a
As I do not usually drop in on discussions other than antique bobbins ( I
have been following the 8th) I am bit late on this.
Both Jean (my wife) patch worker, xstitcher and I have benefitted greatly
from LED lamps which seem to be readily available and reasonable cheap in
our area.
Jean w
Though I lurk for 99% of the time, I would like to put on record my grateful
thanks for the support I get when I do burst in upon the Arachne scene.
It would be hard for me to mention all the people who have given me access and
photographs of their antique bobbin collections and have also allowed
I am just researching in preparation for writing and article on the recent
find of a âNelsonâ Bobbin which was sold on ebay with the claim that it
was made the Napoleonic POWs in England. (A claim, which at this point in my
research, seems to be quite reasonable)
I came across this statement
Laurie,
Of course the link you gave us has its own "translator" button on. Very nice
touch.
The page is most informative including a great "X-ray" picture which I found
very interesting.
I am still looking for a date when the bobbin was first invented or marketed.
Clearly he displayed it at the
Laurie,
You are right. I have now bookmarked a "translation" web site.
Thank you for your links.
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From: "Laurie Waters"
To: "Brian Lemin"
Cc: "Laurie Waters"
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:32 AM
Subject: R
I was asked today to date a Cottier Bobbin, I.e. tell the person when it came
on to the market in France. I had no idea and could not find out.. probably
because I hardly even have any schoolboy French these days!
Can anyone help please?
PS It annoys me that I do not know this (not that I think
Before I enlarged the picture I guessed a lifter or a roller for needle lace.
Brian and Jean Lemin
Cooranbong. Australia
You can see my Lace bobbin stuff on:
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I have just super-enlarged it in Photoshop and it looks as though there is a
"knob" of something about 50mm down (2 inches sorry) As I strain my eyes and
sharpen the picture, it could be a winding of a dark thread?
As I came into this late am I talking about the right implement?
Oh dear, I am
( See the "missing Author" mail I sent!)
Diana Sacked me!
Then sent me a huge collection of South Bucks photographs. I presume as a
redundancy pay out.
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I have sent off the Hand Carved bobbin article to go up on Weavers. I will
tell you when it is
I have started to write the promised article and doing reasonable well. I
have omitted the largest group of hand carved/decorated bobbins as they are a
genre to themselves, namely the East Devon/Downton bobbins... also I am
sticking to English antique. The Continental hand carved bobbins are very
I am not sure if I told you, but a very good Arachne friend of mine alluded to
my total lack of knowledge about hand carved bobbins (In a private email) I
took great exception to this comment for one reason only... she was right :(
Happily we are still on "speaking terms". :)
What it did do was
I thought I had some information and pictures about them, but a couple of
months ago I accidentally formatted my data disk and lost every thing. I did
have all my "English stuff" backed up but clearly not my continental stuff
(that will learn me!)
I found this URL which will be a good starter.
What a great question. I will be following this thread with great interest.
I was reminded by Vibeke's scholarly (as always) references regarding the
alternatives to pins, that my knowledge is very parochial and "English"
orientated, with only a smattering of "continental" knowledge.
However, an
I do not know if folk lore ever becomes fact. I do not think the evidence in
terms that we accept in modern days really exists.
I have become very pragmatic about things these days and I seem to think that
the hand me down stories have an element of truth in them, but there seems no
real evidenc
o the
pillow and holding up under tension. I suspect that a poor
lace maker purchased pins in whatever quantity she could
afford, and then guarded them carefully. While thread
supplies must be replenished, pins could last a very long
time if carefully used.
Clay
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Sorry that I have been "missing in action" of late, as like so many of
you,issues of life begin to interfere with important hobbies! I suppose
"busy, busy" describes it!
I cant add much to Diana Smiths letter. While ago she and I had a series of
correspondence as whether bobbin makers' "lodgers"
Re. Diana's comment re smaller lighter lace bobbins.
I have to say on the odd occasions when I dipped my toes into the waters of
lace making I have usually fallen in and drowned. I have made some terrible
mistakes and made all sorts of assumptions in my quest to solve 'problems"
surrounding
Every couple of years I put out a "hopeful" appeal for two hanging bobbins
that seem to have disappeared "off the face of the earth"!!
The First one is: Matthias and William Lilley HUNG 1829. That just "might" be
around somewhere in some lucky persons collection.
The second one I suspect is long
You will all know by now that I have spent a lot of time at the Metropolitan
Museum of Art (NY ) web site.
I went looking for other "glass lace bobbins" using Gertrude Whiting as
starting clues as I thought she had placed another glass bobbin in the museum
as well as the one which I had already fo
Quite fascinating, especially to learn that they came with spools!
The style of bobbin is a well known style and I doubt if we pulled the heads
of these bobbins they would come apart! I would suggest the detachable head
style was made for this system.
Thank you indeed for thinking about me.
Wor
I am going through a bad time realizing how much I do not know and how
handicapped I am by not being a lace maker :(
I have a special area of need that for a few reasons I am troubled about. It
is probably best if a knowledgeable person and patient (very!) person who
thinks that they can talk to
John and I are in contact.
That is a lovely lamp he makes. He has refined the design with a screw thread
instead of a "screw and a slide"
Extremely nice piece of lace ephemera.
Brian and Jean
>From Cooranbong. Australia
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OK guys... I am so sorry..
I clearly can not count as there are more than ten up for sale!! (17 I think
but I am scared to commit myself to your sharp eyes!)
Whoops...there goes another rubber tree plant
Brian and Jean
>From Cooranbong. Australia
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>From time to time I get asked by editors of Newsletters and other lace related
publications if they can have permission to publish any of my articles which I
have put on
http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs.html
The answer is yes, of course you can BUT the one proviso is that any
a
I have just put up the following article
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second look, 8 pages. Posted February 8, 2011. FIRST PAGE. File size 256KB PDF
On
http://www.c
I have just noticed 10 Archibald Abbott bobbin on eBay (270704118177)
Looking at ten of them in a row you can see the huge variation in the shape of
the heads. A recent sale of Abbott bobbins by the Springetts shows the
variations that he does with the tails.
Though I "ID bobbin makers" almost e
I think that modern makers of lace makers lamps do a good job as most follow a
basic design that was published in a Woodwork magazine many years ago. They
combine the candle and the flask in one utility, which to me is a great idea.
I have only ever seen one "Historical/Antique" that has these tw
I have made a few changes to the original article that I published on Lace
Makers Lamps.
'
'Lemin, Brian. Lacemakers Lamps, 12 pages. Note: (updated Jan 2011). Posted
June 10, 2003. FIRST PAGE. File size 416 KB PDF
Found on
http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs.html
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I would like to drop her an email. I have Thumper/South Bucks/Huntingdon
trailer question.
If anyone knows her can you give her my email address please and ask her if
she would be happy to contact me on the above matter.
Thanks.
Brian...very confused at the moment (possibly always)
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I think I have already told you that I am revisiting the "Shepherds Gift"
bobbin from the Fitzwilliam Museum Cambridge.
One very sharp Arachne reader has sent me the above lady's response to the
original Carole Morris article and she seems such a sharp lady herself that I
would love to be able to
In the booklet by Susan Hartley and Pompi Parry: "Downton Lace", published by
the Salisbury and South Wiltshire Museums; they have a picture of a lace
bobbin that has inscribed upon it the date "1693".
Before I start saying it is the oldest inscribed dated bobbin, I thought I had
better ask you g
I am ashamed to say that I have forgotten an Arachne person who has been so
good to me about the bobbins found in Suffolk (Forgive me)
I really want to know *when* they were found and I think the place was Ely
(?). A guy called Geoff (?) Coulton wrote the find up many years ago in the
Englis
I notice I have spelled "designs" wrong in the article title. At least the
web master did not put (sic) as he did when I spelled Calendar wrongly!.
Anyway, I am on the way to being labeled the worst speller in Arachne [should
it be araknee?]. Oh dear! :(
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Don't get too excited. It could be rather boring as it attempts to illustrate
technical turning terms of the shapes that can be found on turned lace
bobbins. Please note it is not strictly decoration, just the turning part of
the bobbin making.
Lemin, Brian. Names and Descriptions of Shapes/De
I said a week or so ago that I would post it on "weavers". Quite rightly they
have asked that I get permission from the publishers before it is posted.
I have written to Luton museum for said permission. They first published his
book in 1958 and in a previous communication they seemed not to h
I love this thought, and I am so glad that there are people who do not want to
to lose these ancient symbols and meanings.
It is especially interesting to me and my colleague who are currently doing
some work (mainly my colleague.. not so much me) on the decoration of East
Devon Bobbins. What do
Sue,
Has anyone ever called you a "stirrer"?
Just when I thought the issue was settled!!
With smiles.
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Alex,
That is a great thought from a "real" lace maker, not a hanger on like me!
:)
There are also a number of issues with that short communication, because
filing down poor pewter only further weakens it and it will fall out quicker.
So that advice will be commented upon when I get to it in the
I am sorry that you found "King" on it.
We were all having such fun with our ideas of the origin of it!
I had a few favorites among the suggestions. However, the evidence pretty
well points to "Religious"
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Last night I took the opportunity of re reading :A Bead Primer: (I notice
that I bought it from Carole Morris)
It would appear that they were produced by "Lamp work" (Suppialume) and all
that I can find on the net indicates that they had some form of air pump and
oil lamps to soften/melt the glas
Well, I have read few articles on how they historically made the beads. ( I.e.
the cottage industry approach) Some say they used a candle and decanter
stopper for the glass. That is rubbish,,, it just does not work,(well the
candle part anyway) I have tried it. I suppose a lot of time and a lot o
I have started writing the article on restoration of lace bobbins, and have
started with the spangle, being the most frequent restoration that is
undertaken.
Most historical beads are produced by modern bead makers, but I do not know if
I have ever seen modern "square cuts" with the file indentatio
Of course I have done some restoration in the past, in fact the only bobbins I
used to buy were those I could restore. I will get down and write the
proposed article but few comments before I write it. This is only brief
communication.
1. Any restoration must be able to be undone.
I agree in p
That is a good find. I will subscribe and try put some influence on her for
detailed photos of a couple of them.
Of course they are East Devon (Honiton if you must) bobbins. Two of them are
of special interest.
You may know that I am currently looking closely at East Devon Bobbins and
another r
I want to write an article in favour of restoring antique lace bobbins, but I
am afraid that I might lose too many lovely friends on Arachne if I put it in
writing!
It was seeing a poorly restored bobbin that got me going! It would have to be
done "properly" and as far as possible "historically"
I love the carthorse thought!
My wife (a farmers daughter) remembers her carthorses very fondly (and their
Names) and thinks this was quite possible. ( she also rattled off a long
list of the cows names too!!!)
Because she was so sure of that, I have accused her of being around in the mid
1800s
I think within the bobbin context that Pharaoh should be classified as a
Biblical Inscription probably Freemans classification "xx" though it does not
fit that classification exactly.
I will put a copy of Freemans bobbin classification up on
http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs.htm
DianaWhoops.Neither do subscribe to "Chat".
That is why I said Private emails are welcome. I will send you my email
address! :)
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This bobbin has the most exquisite printing of any bobbin maker. If you have
any of his bobbins I would love to see them please. :)
http://tinyurl.com/4qn7r9w
This time I have used tiny URL for the first time incase the list messes it
up. you an also see the other cross hatch at the same place
I will join the surname thing. "Lemin" pronounced Le Min but not written
that way. Lemon is standard!
What fun to read all your comments.
To the TARDIS questions... My construction only allows short visits to lace
making communities in the 16 and 17th centuries. Yes, it is an old Police
teleph
Re Antique bobbin.
One bobbin maker uses, rather infrequently, a red cross-hatching band above
and below his inscriptions. You can see a black and white example in
Springett Page 2 fig 1.2 MARTHA.
I have posted a colour version on my photobucket page at the following URL
http://s239.photobucket
I notice that in parenthesis, Diana Smith says "640 name "only"!!!
What a wonderful state to be in as a collector! She is also a dedicated and
innovative researcher.
I must say, she is a great bobbin friend and so very generous with her
knowledge and and resources.
I think that most of you know
Firstly... thank you.
Miss-spellings I really feel for. Even with a spellchecker I make hideous
spelling mistakes! So HIDE=HYDE? OK lets move on.
I am beginning to get hooked on this "ancestry" thing. A few good folks have
sent me some good stuff on names. I love it... thank you
I love the
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