[lace] Hand or machine

2007-12-10 Thread Jean Nathan
I agree that if you can't mount by hand, the a sewing machine is fine. If you can't do it by hand because of dexterity problems, then neat sewing machine mounting is much better than poor hand sewn mounting. If it was a piece of lace that I though was special (like the garter for my niece's we

[lace] Hand or machine

2007-12-11 Thread Beth Schoenberg
Lynn in Wollongong wrote: I did a Christening gown with my handmade torchon attached with a machine and then had the audacity to do machine embroidery on the gown. I didn't put it in a competition because I was told it wasn't traditional and that it wouldn't "comply" - do I care - nope -

[lace] hand or machine

2008-06-20 Thread Agnes Boddington
What about cheating: use the sewing machine but with invisible thread? Agnes Boddington - Ellougthon UK www.sixpennybobbins.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[lace] Hand or Machine

2008-06-20 Thread Barry & Joyce Moes
Now then do you hand sew or machine sew your lace on to material. I machine sew the fabric to create an imitation spoke stitch. Then hand sew the lace to the fabric with very fine cotton. My hope is that if the lace is caught the stitching may break rather than the lace. It also enables the l

[lace] lace Hand or Machine

2007-12-09 Thread Daphne Martin
Hello Everyone. Surely using a sewing machine or hand sewing should be up to the lacemaker. I agree with what Carol said about Arthritis in the hands. I have the same problem. A while back in Lace magazine. The Chairman I think it was posed this question. She finally decided that sewing

Re: [lace] Hand or machine

2007-12-10 Thread clayblackwell
Once again, I think it's time to remember that there really aren't any "lace police" who will confiscate our work and destroy it if it has been worked or finished in non-traditional ways! It really is a matter of personal choice - every step of the way - and if the end result pleases you, then

Re: [lace] Hand or machine

2007-12-10 Thread robinlace
Once again, I think it's time to remember that there really aren't any "lace police" who will confiscate our work Maybe not confiscate, but I've known Lace Police who will tell someone to her face that she's an inferior lacemaker because she mixed techniques, tell her she's not good enough to

RE: [lace] Hand or machine

2007-12-11 Thread Noelene Lafferty
Robin, I couldn't agree more about the rudeness of just the occasional rare lacemaker who puts others off making lace. A met a lady recently who had just sold her pillow, bobbins and the couple of books she had because of such a remarkI'm attempting now to get her interested again - she has on

RE: [lace] Hand or machine

2007-12-11 Thread Lynn Scott
Does it ever occur to the "tradition" fusspots that if those women had machines, better lighting, better pins, etc., they would not have availed themselves of the convenience of machine sewing their lace onto garments so they had more time to make lace? I did a Christening gown with my handmade

Re: [lace] Hand or Machine?

2008-06-10 Thread Alice Howell
Leavers lace is definitely machine made. Nottingham is one variety of Leavers lace. The 'handmade' in the title was either an error (since I didn't see if in the other titles of lace she is selling), or just an attempt to attach more search words to the item. If the word has been removed, the

[lace] Hand or Machine Sew

2008-06-20 Thread Wendy Davies
Hi Spiders I thought I would post this to start a debate ( maybe the wrong word) but hopefully you will know what I mean.. Now then do you hand sew or machine sew your lace on to material. I was told once that it is better to machine sew than have a loose piece of lace in your workbox but then w

Re: [lace] hand or machine

2008-06-20 Thread Clay Blackwell
In my experience with invisible thread, it works well on pieces that are heavy by nature, and therefore do not have much drape - for instance, in applique quilting. Even then, the thread ends always seem to manage to escape and are like little barbs on the back of your work... and very hard t

[lace] Hand or Machine Sew

2008-06-20 Thread Elizabeth Ligeti
I always hand sew my lace onto fabric. I usually use the four-sided stitch, and work 2 rows of it - the first row into the lace edge, and the second row with the excess fabric folded over,. then I justtrim away the excess. I used the Satin stitch type mounting once, on a doily, and the lace, after

[lace] hand or machine sewing

2008-06-21 Thread Sue
My first lace hanky was hand sewn and with my glasses of the time and complicated eyes I found it very difficult, only managing to see to work about an inch at a time. Eventually I did get it complete (but not entirely happy with that). Last year after making the first set of napkins I had the s

[lace] hand or machine sew

2008-06-21 Thread Wendy Davies
Hi All thanks for the advise on this matter and sorry if I have asked a question you have covered in the past but I will soon catch up with you all. I think I will try both ways on the cloak and see which looks the best my problem is that even though I can cross stitch etc I can't for the life of

Re: [lace] lace Hand or Machine

2007-12-09 Thread bevw
Hello Daphne and everyone I agree! On Dec 9, 2007 3:35 PM, Daphne Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We may make an old craft, but we do live in the modern world. > So why can`t we use things that would help us??? > Does anyone agree???Daphne Wet Wet Wet Norfolk England > If sewing by hand

Re: [lace] lace Hand or Machine

2007-12-10 Thread sue
When I attached the lace by machine, it left me more time to make the lace:-) and more lace. Sue T, Dorset, sunny today but windy. Hello Everyone. Surely using a sewing machine or hand sewing should be up to the lacemaker. I agree with what Carol said about Arthritis in the hands. I

Re: [lace] lace Hand or Machine

2007-12-10 Thread Ilske Thomsen
Hello Everyone, In my opinion it is better to do the sewing nicely with the machine than not so nice by hand. It's up to each of us and there is no police controling about it. Happy sewing Ilske from grey and wet Hamburg in Germany - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containi

[lace] Re: lace Hand or Machine

2007-12-10 Thread Joy Beeson
On 12/9/07 6:35 PM, Daphne Martin wrote: She finally decided that sewing machines were not around when our sister lacemakers made lace for a living. If they had been I feel they would have used them. They would have been too poor to afford them. And the lacemakers didn't mount the lace -- the

[lace] Hand or machine- emerging sensibilities?

2007-12-11 Thread Dmt11home
Clay speaks of doing laborious hand mounting only of things to be judged. Speaking from the perspective of a person who has been called in to judge lace on occasion, I find the hand-finishing issue troubling. Some pieces are very beautifully hand finished, representing a huge amount of time

Re: [lace] Hand or Machine Sew

2008-06-20 Thread Sue Duckles
Morning All I would hand sew, but that's because I can do it in the garden, the car, and not have to worry about the sewing machine being heavy!! Also, I learned to sew before I went to school!! Sue in EY On 20 Jun 2008, at 10:18, Wendy Davies wrote: Hi Spiders I thought I would post t

Re: [lace] Hand or Machine Sew

2008-06-20 Thread Adele Shaak
Now then do you hand sew or machine sew your lace on to material. I was told once that it is better to machine sew than have a loose piece of lace in your workbox but then while at Laceday last year we had Biggins there and she said she always machine sews hers. I use small handstitches to u

Re: [lace] Hand or Machine Sew

2008-06-20 Thread Brenda Paternoster
I usually hand sew hand made lace to fabric, but I would much rather see well mounted lace which is machine stitched to the fabric than badly hand stitched. Do whichever you can achieve the best results with. I thought I would post this to start a debate ( maybe the wrong word) but hopefully

RE: [lace] Hand or Machine Sew

2008-06-20 Thread Karen
:41 PM To: Wendy Davies Cc: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Hand or Machine Sew I usually hand sew hand made lace to fabric, but I would much rather see well mounted lace which is machine stitched to the fabric than badly hand stitched. Do whichever you can achieve the best results with

Re: [lace] Hand or Machine Sew

2008-06-21 Thread Carol
get it in soft back, possibly from Amazon.But - if you want any forther info, do feel free to eMail me! Carol - in Suffolk UK - Original Message - From: "Wendy Davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: [lace] Hand or Machine Sew

Re: [lace] Re: lace Hand or Machine

2007-12-11 Thread Brenda Paternoster
If I mount by machine I use a narrow zig-zag with the distance of the lengthways holes about the same as the distance from one side to the other - similar spacing to the hand sewn triangular stitch but on a smaller scale than I can manage by hand! Brenda On 11 Dec 2007, at 07:28, Joy Beeson w

Re: [lace] Hand or machine- emerging sensibilities?

2007-12-11 Thread Laceandbits
"Even on a point system divided between different aspects, a nicely hand finished piece picks up 10 points over one that  is not. But my emerging feeling is that, since judging impacts  the development of the craft, I would like to encourage more and better  lacemaking, not laborious French sewing.

Re: [lace] Hand or machine- emerging sensibilities?

2007-12-11 Thread robinlace
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much credit should be accorded on finishing? Even on a point system divided between different aspects, a nicely hand finished piece picks up 10 points over one that is not. But my emerging feeling is that, since judging impacts the development of the craf

Re: [lace] Hand or machine- emerging sensibilities?

2007-12-12 Thread clayblackwell
I've judged at our State Fair, and in that venue there is no requirement for things to be hand finished. And yes, it is sad to see a beautiful piece of lace badly mounted (regardless of *how* it's mounted). Most competitions are specific in their requirements, and this is the time to consider w

Re: [lace] Hand or machine- emerging sensibilities?

2007-12-12 Thread Sue Babbs
On the other hand, I am personally committed to learning to attach lace by hand (that's my obsessive choice. ;)). It seems absurd to have spent ten years learning to make exquisite lace as it was made in the 17th - 18th centuries, and then blow off the finishing. It takes me the better part

Re: [lace] Hand or machine- emerging sensibilities?

2007-12-12 Thread Sue Babbs
to do it for me in an expert fashion and leave me the time free to make lace. yes, I wondered what the rules on finishing would be in a competition Sue - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:24 AM Subject: R

Re: [lace] Hand or machine- emerging sensibilities?

2007-12-12 Thread Laceandbits
Even in Bruges today, the lacemakers don't (mostly) mount their own lace.  There are still specialist needlepersons who do it for them.  Some of my students try to make sure their Flanders /Binche lace is finished to coincide with a trip, so the overlap join and mounting task can be handed over to

Re: [lace] Hand or machine- emerging sensibilities?

2007-12-12 Thread Aurelia Loveman
I'm with you, Clay. After reading everybody's thoughts and climbing in and out of everybody's shoes, and sympathizing absolutely with everybody's opinion in turn, I think you've got it, Clay! -- Aurelia I've judged at our State Fair, and in that venue there is no requirement for things to

Re: [lace] Hand or machine- emerging sensibilities?

2007-12-12 Thread the Mouzons
I love what has been said by Clay about "finish"... In a little self published booklet(1984), "Laces for a Lady" (which is one of my most prized books), the compiler, Fiona Birchall quotes from the "Complete Book of Baskets & Basketry" by Doreen Wright, in which the author states, "Craftsmansh

Re: [lace] Hand or machine- emerging sensibilities?

2007-12-12 Thread Ilske Thomsen
Hello Jacqui and all, in my opnion there is no must except this must you give yourself. So if you feel so you can let do the mounting by another person. And people which do mounting every day are perhaps better in doing so than oneself. till now I did all the work including mounting myself and

Re: [lace] Hand or machine- emerging sensibilities?

2007-12-12 Thread clayblackwell
As I understand it, the people who have been joining and mounting lace professionally (and for such reasonable rates) are getting older and less able to do the fine work. Unless others learn to do this, we may find ourselves with no one to do it for us - yet another reason to learn to do the jo

Re: Traditional Methods ... (was [lace] Hand or machine)

2007-12-10 Thread Carol Adkinson
orrect way! Best wishes to you all, and may your pins never bend. Carol - in Suffolk UK How I agree with the - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jean Nathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lace" Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:59 PM Subject:

Re: [lace] Hand or machine- emerging sensibilities?/judging

2007-12-12 Thread Rochelle Sutherland
I'm a judge in Australia and this is a real problem. The piece is judged overall, so mounting is certainly taken into consideration. You can't know in our competitions if something has been mounted by another person unless you are told by the stewards. They should have asked or be informed when the