[Fwd: 2.4 vs 2.6 [WAS: Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages]]

2006-03-17 Thread Venki Iyer
Missed the cc: earlier ... --- Begin Message --- 2.4 is fine as-is: people using it for production systems are not likely to move off it for a long time (if ever). You have it, it works, there's little impetus in general to move to anything else, with all the additional effort/risk/cost i

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-17 Thread Mike Noyes
On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 10:51, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 09:14, David Douthitt wrote: > > The makebootfat utility that was mentioned previously should be able to > > do that. According to their docs: > > > > The USB-HDD (Hard Disk Drive) standard is the preferred > > choice

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-17 Thread Mike Noyes
On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 09:14, David Douthitt wrote: > The makebootfat utility that was mentioned previously should be able to > do that. According to their docs: > > The BIOS USB boot support is generally differentiated > in three categories: USB-HDD, USB-FDD and USB-ZIP. > > The USB

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-17 Thread Mike Noyes
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 17:24, Mike Noyes wrote: > Looking a bit further on the puppy linux site revealed they have a > script for initializing a bootable usb drive. > > http://puppylinux.org/wikka/USB > "Another alternative is that you can install Puppy > tot

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-17 Thread David Douthitt
Charles Steinkuehler wrote: It should be possible to make an image that has an HDD partition table with a smallish (ie: maybe 8 Megs or so, still a *LOT* bigger than a floppy) FAT partition containing the boot files as the first partition. The remaining space could be unused, or formatted and us

RE: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-17 Thread Mike Noyes
On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 08:50, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 00:59, Luis.F.Correia wrote: > > But I'm willing to 'sacrifice' one of my USB sticks Luis, I think backing up your USB drive's MBR using dd should avoid any sacrifice. It should probably be a recommended first step. So

RE: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-17 Thread Mike Noyes
On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 00:59, Luis.F.Correia wrote: > > From: Charles Steinkuehler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > This should make it unnecessary to know the size of the USB > > key (as long as the key is bigger than the boot partition > > size). The geometry issue shouldn't generally be a > > p

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-17 Thread Andrea Fino
I am available too for testing. having different epia, and a couple of assembled pcs. Regards, Andrea -- Andrea Fino 8-) - "Sistemi su misura di qualita' industriale" "Handcrafted systems with industrial quality" [Web: http://www.faino.org ]+[Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] ---

RE: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-17 Thread Luis.F.Correia
: leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: RE: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages > > Hi! > > > -Original Message- > > From: Charles Steinkuehler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > IIRC, a USB keys can be formatted as a "floppy" type device &

RE: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-17 Thread Jorn Eriksen
f needed. Jorn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Luis.F.Correia Sent: 17. mars 2006 10:00 To: leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages Hi! > -Original Message- > From: Charles Steinkuehler

RE: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-17 Thread Luis.F.Correia
Hi! > -Original Message- > From: Charles Steinkuehler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > IIRC, a USB keys can be formatted as a "floppy" type device > (ie: one partition), or as a HDD (ie: 4 primary partitions). > > It should be possible to make an image that has an HDD > partition table

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-16 Thread Mike Noyes
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 17:12, Mike Noyes wrote: > I found this usb page at the Puppy Linux project. I know it's not much. > I hope Charles' suggestion is of better utility. > > The Puppy Working USB Page > http://puppylinux.org/wikka/USBWorking Eric, Looking a bit further on the pu

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-16 Thread Mike Noyes
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 07:47, Mike Noyes wrote: > Understood. I'll keep looking. Eric, I found this usb page at the Puppy Linux project. I know it's not much. I hope Charles' suggestion is of better utility. The Puppy Working USB Page http://puppylinux.org/wikka/USBWorking -- Mik

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-16 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric Spakman wrote: > Hi Mike, > > The problem with this kind of tools is that they expect a real USB-key > available with a certain size. The problem is that we need to create and > image where a few aspects are uncertain: > -The size of the usb-key

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-16 Thread Mike Noyes
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 11:56, Eric Spakman wrote: > The FAT fs has my preference, the driver is compiled in the kernel and > it's easier to copy packages to it from a Windows computer. Eric, Understood. I'll continue searching for a solution. -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ S

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-16 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Mike, >> I am wondering if may be used an ext2 filesystem. With that and >> extlinux (present in the last syslinux distribution) I think it's easy >> to boot from usb (and others). >> >> Regards, >> Andrea >> > > Eric, > Does Andrea's suggestion help? > The FAT fs has my preference, the driv

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-16 Thread Mike Noyes
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 09:07, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 08:11, Andrea Fino wrote: > > I am wondering if may be used an ext2 filesystem. With that and extlinux > > (present in the last syslinux distribution) I think it's easy to boot > > from usb (and others). > > Does Andrea's sug

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-16 Thread Mike Noyes
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 08:11, Andrea Fino wrote: > Mike Noyes wrote: > >On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 02:43, Eric Spakman wrote: > >>Can someone take a look at this link and create some script around it > >>which creates an USB-flash image? > >> > >>>Makebootfat Bootable FAT Disk Creation > >>>7 Multi Stand

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-16 Thread Mike Noyes
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 07:20, Eric Spakman wrote: > The problem with this kind of tools is that they expect a real USB-key > available with a certain size. The problem is that we need to create and > image where a few aspects are uncertain: > -The size of the usb-key (Mbytes) > -Geometry Eric, >Fro

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-16 Thread Eric Spakman
Hi Mike, The problem with this kind of tools is that they expect a real USB-key available with a certain size. The problem is that we need to create and image where a few aspects are uncertain: -The size of the usb-key (Mbytes) -Geometry We need a generic tool which creates a bootable image that

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-16 Thread Mike Noyes
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 02:43, Eric Spakman wrote: > Can someone take a look at this link and create some script around it > which creates an USB-flash image? > > > Makebootfat Bootable FAT Disk Creation > > 7 Multi Standard USB Booting > > http://advancemame.sourceforge.net/doc-makebootfat.html Er

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-16 Thread Nathan Angelacos
On Wednesday 15 March 2006 17:19, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 12:50, Nathan Angelacos wrote: > > On Wednesday 15 March 2006 15:03, Eric Spakman wrote: > > > Who is going to put the available lwp packages in > > > leaf/bin/config/webconf? Just a question. > > > > I can take care of the

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-16 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello all, Can someone take a look at this link and create some script around it which creates an USB-flash image? Eric > > Eric, > Does document help? > > > Makebootfat Bootable FAT Disk Creation > 7 Multi Standard USB Booting > http://advancemame.sourceforge.net/doc-makebootfat.html > > > -- >

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 16:21, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote: > I'd like to ask, what's your experience using a 2.6 kernel compared to a 2.4 > kernel for a router? KP, I think Tom Eastep might have a list of a few benefits of kernel 2.6 over 2.4 for firewalls. Ray and Charles may have some insights on the

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Am Mittwoch, 15. März 2006 16:29 schrieb Venki Iyer: > In any case, I did roll a 2.6-based version of Bering late last year > (started out as a project effort, turned into a labor of love - thanks > guys!), could probably push it back into one of the project trees if > there is any interest. I'm no

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Venki Iyer
Eric, Absolutely yes! Still haven't received your own email on this topic, though I'm seeing others from you - I'll pop you email offlist ... -Venki On 03/15/2006 02:37 PM, Mike Noyes wrote: On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 12:20, Eric Spakman wrote: Instead of creating a new branch, we can al

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 12:50, Nathan Angelacos wrote: > On Wednesday 15 March 2006 15:03, Eric Spakman wrote: > > Who is going to put the available lwp packages in leaf/bin/config/webconf? > > Just a question. > > I can take care of the ones that are in my devel area. (That would be all of > them

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 12:49, Venki Iyer wrote: > Yes to the first, the second needs some work ... :-) Venki, I apologize. You're already a leaf project member. I really should check our developer list. Just another example of a mistake I wouldn't have made before my accident. :-( http://s

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 12:49, Venki Iyer wrote: > Yes to the first, the second needs some work ... :-) Venki, Please send me your SF user name, and I'll make you a leaf project member. Note to self: Review all messages marked important for new project member additions. -- Mike No

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Eric Spakman
Hi Nathan, >> If the directory is populated we have to change our image script to >> download the webconf packages from this location (this is a reminder for >> myself ;). > > You already do, so no changes needed. > We use a script to download the lwp files from your CVS space for creation of CD

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Nathan Angelacos
Hi Eric & Mike, On Wednesday 15 March 2006 15:03, Eric Spakman wrote: > Hello Mike, > > Thanks! > > Who is going to put the available lwp packages in leaf/bin/config/webconf? > Just a question. I can take care of the ones that are in my devel area. (That would be all of them, AFAIK) > If the d

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Venki Iyer
Hi Mike, Yes to the first, the second needs some work ... :-) -V On 03/15/2006 02:11 PM, Mike Noyes wrote: On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 07:29, Venki Iyer wrote: In any case, I did roll a 2.6-based version of Bering late last year (started out as a project effort, turned into a labor of love

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 12:29, Eric Spakman wrote: > Looks promising! Thanks for searching. Eric, You're most welcome. I'm glad I was able to locate something that might prove useful. :-) > >>> This would be the same sort of setup we would use: > >>> fdisk the pendrive, make it bootable, copy the c

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 12:20, Eric Spakman wrote: > Instead of creating a new branch, we can also join effort? Eric, Yes. That is always an option. :-) > > On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 07:29, Venki Iyer wrote: > >> In any case, I did roll a 2.6-based version of Bering late last year > >> (started out as

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Mike, Looks promising! Thanks for searching. Eric >>> This would be the same sort of setup we would use: >>> fdisk the pendrive, make it bootable, copy the contents, syslinux it >>> and edit some files. This is no image setup and that's where I'm >>> looking after. >> >> Ok. I'll see

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:59, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:09, Eric Spakman wrote: > > > http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb > > > > > This would be the same sort of setup we would use: > > fdisk the pendrive, make it bootable, copy the contents, syslinux it and > > edit some files. This

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 12:03, Eric Spakman wrote: > Who is going to put the available lwp packages in leaf/bin/config/webconf? > Just a question. Eric, It depends on who we want to grant write access to in avail. Existing binary lwp packages, already stored elsewhere in our repository, will require

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 07:29, Venki Iyer wrote: > In any case, I did roll a 2.6-based version of Bering late last year > (started out as a project effort, turned into a labor of love - thanks > guys!), could probably push it back into one of the project trees if > there is any interest. I'm not s

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Mike, Thanks! Who is going to put the available lwp packages in leaf/bin/config/webconf? Just a question. If the directory is populated we have to change our image script to download the webconf packages from this location (this is a reminder for myself ;). Eric > On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 11

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 11:13, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:54, Nathan Angelacos wrote: > > That way a developer could also upload a binary lwp (or lrp, yes, there are > > webconf lrps) > > Ah. I missed the bin/ in Eric's post. Not something that I'd have missed > before. :-( >

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:54, Nathan Angelacos wrote: > On Wednesday 15 March 2006 13:40, Mike Noyes wrote: > I'm ok with it; although it should probably be combined with Eric's > suggestion of leaf/bin/config/webconf > > That way a developer could also upload a binary lwp (or lrp, yes, there are

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:09, Eric Spakman wrote: > > http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb > > > This would be the same sort of setup we would use: > fdisk the pendrive, make it bootable, copy the contents, syslinux it and > edit some files. This is no image setup and that's where I'm looking > after. Er

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Nathan Angelacos
On Wednesday 15 March 2006 13:40, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:09, Nathan Angelacos wrote: > > What's NOT in leaf/src/config/webconf is all of the .lwp's (anything > > beyond webconf.lrp / webconf.lwp)Perhaps there's a place for them in > > the same spot. > > Nathan, > How abou

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:34, Eric Spakman wrote: > > What's NOT in leaf/src/config/webconf is all of the .lwp's (anything > > beyond webconf.lrp / webconf.lwp)Perhaps there's a place for them in > > the same spot. > > > leaf/bin/config/webconf? > Mike, do you agree? Eric, Either location is a

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:09, Nathan Angelacos wrote: > What's NOT in leaf/src/config/webconf is all of the .lwp's (anything beyond > webconf.lrp / webconf.lwp)Perhaps there's a place for them in the same > spot. Nathan, How about a new directory in src/config called lwp? We can open that di

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Nathan, >>> Also it would be >>> nice if the contents of Nathan's CVS space could be moved to a more >>> generic place (I think we need Kp for this). >> >> This requires opening a SR with the SF staff. Any one of our project >> admins can do this. > > Clarfication - > > > webconf (the core)

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 09:58, Nathan Angelacos wrote: > I fully recognize that nobody else is stepping up as "Documentation/Website > Admin", and we all appreciate the job you are doing. Nathan, Unfortunately, I'm not doing a very good job. :-( > On Wednesday 15 March 2006 11:02, Mike Noyes wrote

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Nathan Angelacos
On Wednesday 15 March 2006 12:48, Mike Noyes wrote: > > Also it would be > > nice if the contents of Nathan's CVS space could be moved to a more > > generic place (I think we need Kp for this). > > This requires opening a SR with the SF staff. Any one of our project > admins can do this. Clarficat

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Mike, > >> -Does someone know how to create an image which can be installed on a >> USB-flash key? Is there some sort of tool (GPL) available which creates >> such an image and/or makes a flash disk bootable? > > I think DSL has documentation on this. > > > http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Nathan Angelacos
Mike, I fully recognize that nobody else is stepping up as "Documentation/Website Admin", and we all appreciate the job you are doing. I hope you'll take these as comments of what one person sees could make things a little better. Its just my perspective - and you are more than welcome to

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 08:57, Eric Spakman wrote: > To get things going: can you make a link from the mainpage to the lwp > development documentation in the Bering-uClibc section? Eric, I think an article for the hub is in order. That would give links and information. KP or I can post it, but I thi

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Mike, >>> I agree. I thought this content was incorporated into the >>> bering-uclibc documentation. :-( >> >> It is: >> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/buc-devel.html >> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/buc-install.html >> > > Eric, > Hum, a google search using "site:leaf.sourcef

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 08:03, Eric Spakman wrote: > > I agree. I thought this content was incorporated into the bering-uclibc > > documentation. :-( > > It is: > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/buc-devel.html > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/buc-install.html Eric, Hum, a google search

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Mike, >> To get to these links, I went to http://leaf.sourceforge.net -> >> Developers (box at top) -> Angelacos, Nathan (What's Related Box) -> >> Webconf >> (UI Box) Not exactly where I would look it I wanted to develop a web >> interface for LEAF > > I agree. I thought this content was

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 07:09, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 15. März 2006 15:48 schrieb Mike Noyes: > > Have you or anyone else on the bering-uclibc team asked for help? > > Yes, the framework and the lack of lwp's has been mentioned from to time on > the leaf lists. KP, Do you have a pla

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 07:22, Nathan Angelacos wrote: > > Have you or anyone else on the bering-uclibc team asked for help? > > I have. If you have time, please search the mailing lists for the words > "webconf development" [BTW - Webconf isn't just bering-uClibc - it works > with classic Ber

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Venki Iyer
I'm sort of echoing Mike's comment here, but I started to move away from LEAF because a) it remained "floppy" centric, b) no 2.6 support, c) the ipkg guys have come up with a good scheme for automatable over the wire updates. On the other hand, I still do like the "liveCD" aspects, if stand

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Nathan Angelacos
Mike, > Eric, > Have you or anyone else on the bering-uclibc team asked for help? I have. If you have time, please search the mailing lists for the words "webconf development" [BTW - Webconf isn't just bering-uClibc - it works with classic Bering as well. Please don't blame lack of exposur

Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Am Mittwoch, 15. März 2006 15:48 schrieb Mike Noyes: > On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 01:43, Eric Spakman wrote: > > I think other projects are gaining users because they have a nice > > webconf interface and are easier to setup by less advanced users, not > > because they're technical better (in the contra

[leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages

2006-03-15 Thread Mike Noyes
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 01:43, Eric Spakman wrote: > I think other projects are gaining users because they have a nice > webconf interface and are easier to setup by less advanced users, not > because they're technical better (in the contrary). We have a nice > webconf framework, written by Nathan, b