[LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Simon Hart
Couldn't agree more with this. http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/sacking-mcdermott-did-cellino-do-the-right-thing-in-the-wrong-way/ A good manager / coach will take a group of players and improve them. Look at Poyet at Sunderland and even McLaren at Derby. Both made a big difference in a short s

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Richard Naef
Simplistic to say the least, plenty of good managers have taken a lot longer than 2/3 of a season to change things especially in a disfunctional club like ours. Poyet inherieted a large squad and was able to bring in new players at will and his team are still in the Bottom threeand no better off t

Re: [LU] Brighton

2014-02-12 Thread Richard Naef
First game I have been to for a long time sober and it was pretty dreadful. 2 very average teams. Kebe is far to lightweight and seems to lack basic ball control skills. Tonge and Poleon must be really crap to be behind Pugh and Hunt. I'm used to watching dross, but this match was especially rui

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
Someone dares say what so many are thinking secretly Brian is a great guy. His 'vision' is spot on. His coaching is tripe. I am beginning to appreciate the difference between manager of football and team coach. Michael Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- my

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
You are not answering that so many players have got worse or not shown up at all. Apart from McCormack the whole team sadly falls in that category. That alone needs a bloody good answer. Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http:/

Re: [LU] Brighton

2014-02-12 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
Why gas chamber chants at the their GK? Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com http://www.myRay.org -- Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com A

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Simon Hart
Yes, it's very simple. He's had plenty of time to make a difference to the team. He hasn't. I would take Malky Mackay. Has Cellino even heard of him though? On 12 February 2014 11:34, Richard Naef wrote: > Simplistic to say the least, plenty of good managers have taken a lot > longer > than 2/3

Re: [LU] Brighton

2014-02-12 Thread Richard Naef
their keeper is Polish and played for Manu !??!! From: beden...@gmail.com [mailto:beden...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Dr Michael Benjamin Sent: 12 February 2014 11:40 To: Richard Naef Cc: Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Brighton Why gas chamber chants at the their GK? Dr Michael Benjamin, Com

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Ian Murray
McKay wouldn't come to us, surely? Plus he is not Italian. Sent from my iPhone > On 12 Feb 2014, at 19:41, "Simon Hart" wrote: > > Yes, it's very simple. He's had plenty of time to make a difference to the > team. He hasn't. > > I would take Malky Mackay. Has Cellino even heard of him though?

Re: [LU] Brighton

2014-02-12 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
Weird buggers. Where were the officials? Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com http://www.myRay.org -- Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com ---

Re: [LU] Brighton

2014-02-12 Thread Richard Naef
making sure people weren't standing in the aisles! I'm ashamed I didn't say or do anything to be honest. From: beden...@gmail.com [mailto:beden...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Dr Michael Benjamin Sent: 12 February 2014 13:26 To: Richard Naef Cc: Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Brighton Weird bug

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Phill Shields
I agree with this. Under him in the last month or so we had two back to back results/performances that are amongst the worst in the club's entire history. On Feb 12, 2014 11:09 AM, Simon Hart wrote: Couldn't agree more with this. http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/sacking-mcdermott-did-cellino-

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Simon Hart
He's out of a job so I don't see why not. On 12 February 2014 13:17, Ian Murray wrote: > McKay wouldn't come to us, surely? > > Plus he is not Italian. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 12 Feb 2014, at 19:41, "Simon Hart" wrote: > > > > Yes, it's very simple. He's had plenty of time to make a d

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread David W
I think he is still in dispute with Cardiff over his dismissal from there, so am not sure if he would take another job until that is resolved. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubs

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Richard Naef
> I think he is still in dispute with Cardiff over his dismissal from there, so am > not sure if he would take another job until that is resolved. plus as far as I am aware he's not clinically insane ;) People need to realise at the moment we aren't an attractive destination for ambitious manage

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Richard Naef
> I think he is still in dispute with Cardiff over his dismissal from there, so am > not sure if he would take another job until that is resolved. .also I expect he's waiting for the Norwich job to come up. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and optio

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Paul Cundell
Are we really comparing like with like here? McLaren took over from a young upcoming manager who had over a long period of time developed a young balanced squad and shouldn't have been sacked. McDermott took over a has been squad from a has been manager who should never have been allowed near our c

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Mark
Given that McDermott's primary function is to coach and develop players that then improve our team, can anyone list players that have improved under his tutelage? I don't see any reflection on the pitch that shows anything is being accomplished during the long hours of training and coaching each

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread David W
I'd say Pearce has got better than he was under Warnock (he may have done so anyway, through settling at the club). McCormack has got better (again you could argue he would have anyway, but still). Smith has improved over the season. On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Mark wrote: > Given that

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Mark
Is the improvement of three players in an entire squad acceptable? I would say "no". Have any of our younger players improved such as Lees and Byram? Cheers Mark El Presidente Wisconsin Whites Leeds United Chicago Fire Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:23:41 +0100 Subject: Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott:

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread seanscribe
Alex Mowatt. I thought his contributions to the first team last season were pretty insignificant. -Original Message- From: Mark To: Paul Cundell ; Simon Hart Cc: leedslist Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 11:12 am Subject: Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Richard Naef
Of the team at the moment; McCormack & Pearce defo better. Austin has been up and down , but maybe his ups are higher than before and lows not quite as excrable. Removing the captaincy has helped. Byram has only really got back from injury so to early to tell, but maybe suffering from difficult

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread David Brennan
All this talk of improvement, or lack of it. Aren't we now just a regulation Championship side - sometimes okay (Wigan), sometimes fantastic (second half Huddersfleld), sometimes unlucky (Leicester), sometimes lucky (Charlton away) and sometimes completely and utterly shite (Sheff W)? I'm sure

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread David W
It's not black and white. Some older players have limited scope left to improve / change and/or are in career wind down (aka the washed up players of Colin) - Norris, Kenny, Green, Brown, Varney, Tonge, Diouf, Pugh and (to a lesser extent) Warnock. Byram has had a difficult season due to injury.

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Phill Shields
I don't see any point looking at the improvement in individual players - his job is to get the group of players playing coherently as a team using tactics/strategies that maximise their attributes. The football we are watching is as bad if not worse than under Colin. I accept he has got some ru

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Simon Austin
We have those every year... at home usually. Losing 6-1 to Watford last year. 5-0 to Blackpool the year before. That 3-0 up to 6-4 down to Preston the year before. 5-2 to Barnsley and 4-0 to Cardiff in that season as well. And our cup runs have only flattered recently because we've been mainl

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Jim Moran
No club achieves anything by sacking managers regularly, unless they are bankrolled by a billionaire. -- > On 12 Feb 2014, at 19:47, Simon Austin wrote: > > We have those every year... at home usually. > > Losing 6-1 to Watford last year. 5-0 to Blackpool the year before. That 3-0 > up to 6

[LU] La Dolce Vita

2014-02-12 Thread Nicholas Armit
Are we Italian yet? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHI

Re: [LU] La Dolce Vita

2014-02-12 Thread Paul Cundell
No and it could be weeks before the FL ratify his takeover. On 12 February 2014 19:54, Nicholas Armit wrote: > Are we Italian yet? > ___ > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Mark
> From: j...@jimmoran.co.uk > No club achieves anything by sacking managers regularly, unless they are > bankrolled by a billionaire. True, but no club achieves anything by having an incompetent manager either. If someone is demonstrating an inability to perform at their job then they have to

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Jim Moran
You might be right. But might as well wait until the end of the season now. New manager wouldn't be able to do anything in such a short time, and a string of poor results would undermine their reputation. -- > On 12 Feb 2014, at 19:57, Mark wrote: > > > From: j...@jimmoran.co.uk > > No club

Re: [LU] La Dolce Vita

2014-02-12 Thread Jim Moran
But isn't he buying back Elland road tomorrow? Assuming it hasn't blown away. -- > On 12 Feb 2014, at 19:57, Paul Cundell wrote: > > No and it could be weeks before the FL ratify his takeover. > > >> On 12 February 2014 19:54, Nicholas Armit wrote: >> >> Are we Italian yet? >>

Re: [LU] La Dolce Vita

2014-02-12 Thread nat...@sky.com
That was when he was buying LUFC today !  Some quotes mentioned Thursday others were 'the day after the takeover' So much too soon to decide if he is telling the truth about it Dave From: Jim Moran To: Paul Cundell Cc: leeds list Sent: Wednesday, 12 Februar

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Paul Cundell
Why is McDermott incompetent? Because he can't make a premiership side out of a League One squad? Have we swapped places with Yeovil and Barnsley? Is it just me or do the main 'BMc out' voices come from overseas listers? Is it because they don't get the local radio and tv coverage? For instance, af

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Mark
I base most of my comments on what other listers who attend or watch games are saying. And too consistently I hear those that attend the games speak of us being second best, puzzling tactics and team selections, etc. I trust the match reports and comments of those that are on our list over the m

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Paul Cundell
My apologies if I was unclear, I didn't mean to insult you in a 'overseas listers know nowt' kind of way. As we all know there is more to supporting a football team than just results and the best players otherwise we'd all be supporting premiership winning clubs. There's an ethos to supporting a te

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Phill Shields
I am not disputing the bloke's integrity. His behaviour and the way he talks are exemplary. I just wonder how long he (and you) can hide behind being lumbered with Warnock's signings. He has made a number of signings Paul and not one have made any impression. The quality of the football is as b

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Ben Thorpe
I think you're spot on Paul. This is not the time for a knee jerk reaction. Who knows what is still going on behind the scenes, and how that may be affecting things. MOT and BMcD in Ben -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Paul Cundell
How long? How about till someone comes along with some money and we shed Colin's dead wood? His 'number of signings' is 4 and 2 loanees! Smith, Murphy, Hunt and Wootton signed, 3 of them were free. He's loaned in Stewart and Kebe. I'd say both Smith and Murphy have made an impression. So that's no

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Phill Shields
I've followed em for 50 years and I will always support them but if what I am watching is crap I will say it. Sorry I got too technical for you but playing style does not refer to "style" it refers to the football philosophy of the manager which should run through every team in the club. Did yo

Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

2014-02-12 Thread Paul Cundell
It was crap 12 months ago and it's crap now is no surprise as nothing has really changed. Why do you avoid answering the questions? Sorry but football style or philosophy is developed over many years from the ground up not usually through journeymen has beens looking for that last big pay day. D