Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
TheOldFellow wrote: > In that way when a triple (IP,sender,destination) is checked against > the greylist dbase, the IP is masked first, so all the IPs in a range > are treated as the same. This is what is in the default client whitelist for postgrey (the one that whitelists senders) for google:

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread TheOldFellow
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 22:32:54 -0500 Bruce Dubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem as we can tell is that many large ISPs use multiple > servers for outgoing MTAs. This causes a delay for every server. > Additionally, the retry time is up to the sender and delays of hours > is not uncommon

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
TheOldFellow wrote: > Did you see this system for 'autowhitelisting' that works with postgrey? > > http://oc-co.org/p2pwl/ I looked at this. Postgrey already does autowhitelisting internally. I'm not sure which is more effective. -- JH -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FA

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > Forcibly removing the user from the lists and restarting postfix and > mailman _seems_ to have fixed the issue. Although why one unresolvable > domain was causing so much trouble, I'm not sure. I'm looking into it > further... Just to reiterate, greylisting was *not* th

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > Jeremy Huntwork wrote: >> Digging deeper... > > Time test to lfs-dev, 0046 EDT - please ignore This one came through right away. There was a user subscribed to alfs-discuss and lfs-support that was using an unresolvable domain. Mailman was attempting to deliver to this

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > Digging deeper... Time test to lfs-dev, 0046 EDT - please ignore -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > We're sorry about the delays today There still seems to be a delay to the lists. And FWIW, if you were monitoring the lists at all the past _week_ or so you would have noticed that there was a delay on the lists. I only implemented greylisting on quantum yesterday. Obviousl

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Randy McMurchy wrote: > Randy McMurchy wrote these words on 04/08/07 15:43 CST: > >> All mails appear to lag about 30 minutes. From everyone. I'm going >> on the time the email is sent by the sender, and the time it hits >> my mailbox. My polling for mail is not the issue. > > There was no reply

Two typos

2007-04-08 Thread Fix
Two typos there are in my copy of the BLFS book version 6.2. Installation of the xterm: [QUOTE] Install xterm by running the following commands: TERMINFO=/usr/lib/terminfo ./configure $XORG_CONFIG \ --enable-luit --with-wide-chars \ --with-app-default=$XORG_PREFIX/share/X11/app-defaults &

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Randy McMurchy wrote: > Randy McMurchy wrote these words on 04/08/07 15:43 CST: > >> All mails appear to lag about 30 minutes. From everyone. I'm going >> on the time the email is sent by the sender, and the time it hits >> my mailbox. My polling for mail is not the issue. > > There was no reply

Testing time response

2007-04-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Time now 2211 CDT -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Randy McMurchy
Randy McMurchy wrote these words on 04/08/07 15:43 CST: > All mails appear to lag about 30 minutes. From everyone. I'm going > on the time the email is sent by the sender, and the time it hits > my mailbox. My polling for mail is not the issue. There was no reply to my comments. And emails throug

Re: Default filesystem

2007-04-08 Thread Ismael Luceno
Dan Nicholson escribió: > On 2/3/07, TheOldFellow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What I need is something it can't handle, like Udev for several months a >> year ago, or a new booting scheme... > > This is actually something I want to bring up. Our booting is dog > slow. Maybe it's time to look int

Re: [new XSL] Ready for inputs.

2007-04-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Manuel, I pulled the new style sheets from svn. How do you use them? Do you just have a temporary symbolic link from the trunk/BOOK/stylesheets to ../../branches/new-xsl/ ? -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe

Re: [new XSL] Ready for inputs.

2007-04-08 Thread M.Canales.es
El Domingo, 8 de Abril de 2007 22:32, Bruce Dubbs escribió: > > I'll pull the xsl and look some more. > Great, I need inputs about the explanatory comments. -- Manuel Canales Esparcia Usuario de LFS nº2886: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org LFS en castellano: http://www.escomposlinux.org/l

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 04/08/07 15:06 CST: > I don't see anything *from* you that has been delayed, but it would be > easy to miss something. > > I'll continue to investigate. All mails appear to lag about 30 minutes. From everyone. I'm going on the time the email is sent by the sender

Re: [new XSL] Ready for inputs.

2007-04-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
M.Canales.es wrote: > What I noticed, is that in Acrobat Reader 5.0 the fonts looks nice, but in > KGoshtView looks a little ugly. Maybe due that Acrobat Reader uses their own > fonts while other readers uses the ones from gs? Sounds right. I was using xpdf. > In new-xsl/stylesheets/pdf/lfs-a

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
TheOldFellow wrote: > I have had two instances where a big server farm insisted on sending > the retrys from many different IPs. This can confuse some greylisters - > glst/xmail has a method of handling this, but it needs careful setup. > The culprit is gmail/googlemail!! I expect the postgrey sy

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Randy McMurchy wrote: > Jeremy Huntwork wrote these words on 04/08/07 12:47 CST: > >> Anyway, the fact that we are having this conversation and that mailman >> is processing fewer junk emails shows that it is working as we hoped. > > But it appears that mails are taking 30 minutes or more to be

Re: [new XSL] Ready for inputs.

2007-04-08 Thread M.Canales.es
El Domingo, 8 de Abril de 2007 21:10, Bruce Dubbs escribió: > > Is this a function of the reader's system or the system that renders the > pdf. I thought the actual fonts used were enclosed in the file. I'm > not 100% sure though. For specifications, the Base-14 fonts must be available to all P

Re: [new XSL] Ready for inputs.

2007-04-08 Thread M.Canales.es
El Domingo, 8 de Abril de 2007 20:52, Bruce Dubbs escribió: > One place that is still a problem is the last paragraph of 8.2 (page > 212). The long config variables, CONFIG_NLS_DEFAULT, > CONFIG_SMB_NLS_DEFAULT, CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_CODEPAGE, and > CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_IOCHARSET throw off the word sp

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jeremy Huntwork wrote these words on 04/08/07 12:47 CST: > Anyway, the fact that we are having this conversation and that mailman > is processing fewer junk emails shows that it is working as we hoped. But it appears that mails are taking 30 minutes or more to be delivered, even for whitelisted

Re: Cups-1.2.10

2007-04-08 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 04/08/07 13:06 CST: > Randy McMurchy wrote: >> 3. Use the larger patch (706998 bytes) and call it 'upstream_fixes' >>or something. >> >> Which way should we go? > > I understand that the tests fail due to test suite problems, but does > the program itself fail

Re: [new XSL] Ready for inputs.

2007-04-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
M.Canales.es wrote: >> 1. The font on the headers doesn't seem right. Most of the text is >> standard serif fonts (computer modern?). That looks fine. The headers >> are sans-serif and bold. The bold seems a little too wide. > > My acroreader say that the used ones are this > > Arial-BoldMT

Re: [new XSL] Ready for inputs.

2007-04-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
M.Canales.es wrote: > El Domingo, 8 de Abril de 2007 17:33, M.Canales.es escribió: > >> The URLs hyphenation support on the old stylesheets and FOP-0.20 was very >> ugly. I will test if the current one is more usable and, if true, trying to >> extend the support also to filenames. > > And done: >

Re: [new XSL] Ready for inputs.

2007-04-08 Thread M.Canales.es
El Domingo, 8 de Abril de 2007 19:30, Bruce Dubbs escribió: > > I like this a lot better. Thanks. > Now I'm going to get a bit picky about the pdf, but its offered in a > constructive manner. Don't feel obligated to fix any of these issues. > I'd like to see other opinions too. Starting with m

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread TheOldFellow
On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:40:12 -0600 Jeremy Huntwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greetings All, > > Inspired by an email from Richard Downing, I decided to look into > using greylisting to help fight spam. If you haven't heard of it > before see: http://www.greylisting.org Did you see this system

Re: [new XSL] Ready for inputs.

2007-04-08 Thread M.Canales.es
El Domingo, 8 de Abril de 2007 17:33, M.Canales.es escribió: > > The URLs hyphenation support on the old stylesheets and FOP-0.20 was very > ugly. I will test if the current one is more usable and, if true, trying to > extend the support also to filenames. And done: http://www.lfs-es.info/new-l

Re: Cups-1.2.10

2007-04-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Randy McMurchy wrote: > Hi all, > > Currently, the book has CUPS-1.2.7. 1.2.10 is the current version. > > However, the current version fails the test suite miserably. It is > a known bug, and fixed in SVN. I made a very small patch that updates > the 1.2.10 'test' directory to SVN, and all but 1

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread TheOldFellow
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 09:17:03 -0500 Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jeremy Huntwork wrote these words on 04/07/07 20:40 CST: > > > I tried a Postfix implementation called Postgrey on my own personal > > server and the results were very good. (See > > http://postgrey.schweikert.ch/). Ba

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 10:28:06AM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > You haven't been seeing it because we've been managing it. This action > was to try to reduce the management workload. > Thanks for what you guys have been doing. Hope this works. ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, das andere Ma

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Bryan Kadzban wrote: > Yeah, but how hard would it be to add retrying to a spammer's botnet > software? I'm going to predict that within the next year, if > greylisting is implemented widely (and I've been hearing about it a lot, > but I don't know how many servers actually do it), the spammers wi

Re: [new XSL] Ready for inputs.

2007-04-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
M.Canales.es wrote: > El Domingo, 8 de Abril de 2007 04:28, Bruce Dubbs escribió: > > Please, try to keep the CC to lfs-dev. Yes, I was a little too quick in replying. I think the lfs-dev is the proper place for this discussion. >> I do think that each section in Chapters 5 and 6 that install a

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Bryan Kadzban wrote: > Yes, but my ISP's mailer doesn't retry for at least 10 minutes. The > message I sent whose date was 9:06 AM EST didn't actually get delivered > to me until 9:18 AM EST; the intervening time was the server delay. Not > that that's bad, mind you, but I don't think it's speci

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Bryan Kadzban
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > The systems is supposed to just give a temporary failure. And it does -- after the RCPT TO, it gives a "450 4.7.1 : Recipient address rejected: greylisted, see " type response. So at least the postgrey people were smart enough to do that. ;-) > Many times spammers use cut d

Re: [new XSL] Ready for inputs.

2007-04-08 Thread M.Canales.es
El Domingo, 8 de Abril de 2007 04:28, Bruce Dubbs escribió: Please, try to keep the CC to lfs-dev. > > I do think that each section in Chapters 5 and 6 that install a new > package should start on a new page, but places like Chapters 8 and 9 and > possibly 1, 2, 3, 4, and 7 should 'flow'. Yes, I

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Randy McMurchy wrote: > Jeremy Huntwork wrote these words on 04/07/07 20:40 CST: > >> I tried a Postfix implementation called Postgrey on my own personal >> server and the results were very good. (See >> http://postgrey.schweikert.ch/). Based on those results it was decided >> to implement this se

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jeremy Huntwork wrote these words on 04/07/07 20:40 CST: > I tried a Postfix implementation called Postgrey on my own personal > server and the results were very good. (See > http://postgrey.schweikert.ch/). Based on those results it was decided > to implement this service on Quantum. Who decided

Re: Fighting spam via greylisting

2007-04-08 Thread Bryan Kadzban
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > The basic idea is that whenever a new MTA (one that is not in the > greylisting database) attempts to deliver mail, the mail is > automatically rejected. If the MTA is a valid MTA, it will retry to > deliver the mail after a few minutes. Assuming the user doesn't get a