We have a bunch of items with "label:bounty". Many come from more
than two years ago, so I'm not certain if bounty is still "open". But
my initial guess is that the following ones are still valid:
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=379
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7;t enough people offering
> > bounties
>
> I am considering to offer commercial support and may be able to do
> that on a part-time basis. However, working on two bounties has
> illustrated that bounty work can be quite tricky.
Indeed; there's almost no relationship betw
Graham Percival writes:
> We have a bunch of items with "label:bounty". Many come from more
> than two years ago, so I'm not certain if bounty is still "open".
Who gets the bounty? Developer or committer?
Maybe I should start setting bounties for patches
(sorry, hit "send" by accident)
We have a bunch of items with "label:bounty". Many come from more
than two years ago, so I'm not certain if bounty is still "open". But
my initial guess is that the following ones are still valid:
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=379
ugly slur
Developer or committer?
Whoever wrote the patch, I assume. But I really don't see this
working as an official system at the moment.
> Maybe I should start setting bounties for patches of my own in order to
> get them committed.
Heh.
BTW, although I gave the generalized markup
tml/lilypond-user/2007-09/msg00076.html>
<http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2009-11/msg00789.html>
Plus, I seem to recall at least two other people willing to chip in for the
bounties on break-alignment with MetronomeMarks, and a real
piano-with-centred-dynamics fix.
[Can&#
Hi David,
> Who gets the bounty? Developer or committer?
Developer. From the person who wants the fix.
For example, I paid Han-Wen to program the lyricMelismaAlignment property.
> Maybe I should start setting bounties for patches of my own
> in order to get them committed.
Sure: then
00789.html>
Plus, I seem to recall at least two other people willing to chip in for the
bounties on break-alignment with MetronomeMarks, and a real
piano-with-centred-dynamics fix.
[Can't find the links right now.]
Yup, here I am for the piano-centered dynamics - same link, 50 EUR
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 06:55:19PM +0200, Alexander Kobel wrote:
> Oh, and of course I know that this amount "is extremely low given the
> work involved", as Graham stated, but ... well - it's better than
> nothing.
Well, some people (not me) might not agree -- I mean, if something
would take
On 2010-05-19 19:08, Graham Percival wrote:
I mean, if something
would take you 20 hours, and somebody offers $10 and a piece of
bubble gum, it's not very encouraging. If ten people offered the
same thing, it would add up, of course.
True. And that's how we all like to see it, right? Alas, t
Graham Percival writes:
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 06:55:19PM +0200, Alexander Kobel wrote:
>> Oh, and of course I know that this amount "is extremely low given the
>> work involved", as Graham stated, but ... well - it's better than
>> nothing.
>
> Well, some people (not me) might not agree -
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Graham Percival
wrote:
> There's a bunch of "ease-of-use" items that have a standard "50 euro
> or double an existing bounty" from Valentin. Since I'm pretty certain
> he's in the worst financial situation of any lilypond developer, I
> personally would take this
Hey bounty hunters,
> We should certainly extend and emphasize the bounty system.
Is there any resistance (philosophically) to using something like Kickstarter
to get/track pledges?
Just a thought...
Kieren.
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pecially if developers start chasing bounties.
At the moment, we might as well continue to add the tag to items
in the issue tracker as appropriate. I mean, if we get so many
pledges that managing them by tagging issues becomes too much
work... well, I'd say that this would be a *fantasti
Hi Graham,
> - we haven't seen much interest from developers in responding to
> pledges. This might change.
> - we haven't seen much interest from users in *making* pledges.
> This might change, especially if we start advertising it, but
> more especially if develope
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Kieren MacMillan
wrote:
> Ok, but I have identified at least three bounties (of my own) that
> weren't/aren't tagged or tracked... so clearly it is already too much work,
> right?
Please give the bug squad a ping when this happens. Even
2010/6/17 Valentin Villenave :
> Absolutely. That's why I've always said that we should have something
> like a "bounty thermometer" (such as the one they use for Blender's
> open movies IIRC, or http://haikuware.com/bounties/ as well).
Agree.
At this tim
On 06/15/2010 09:19 PM, Graham Percival wrote:
> One idea I've toyed with is seeking a grant to work on lilypond.
> Various governments and agencies give research grants; I'm pretty
> certain that we could get a grant to improve medieval chant
> notation or contemporary non-Western scales or whatno
Hi Joe,
> An alternative would be to go directly to the institutions that have an
> interest in notation software -- the (many) music colleges. Most of
> these have large numbers of computers with either or both of Finale and
> Sibelius installed (to say nothing of other music software), and if I
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 3:02 AM, Kieren MacMillan
wrote:
> An excellent idea... and I don't only say that because I'd already set
> something like that in motion. ;)
> I've contacted my alma mater and have initiated just such a conversation --
> will report back as things progress.
Ditto here.
On 06/19/2010 07:50 PM, Valentin Villenave wrote:
> Ditto here. I have contacted dozens of French universities, music
> schools, government-funded music structures and whatnot. Everytime I
> got an answer, the answer was: "Fuck off, we already have Finale".
>
> Or something like that.
What were t
Joseph Wakeling writes:
> On 06/19/2010 07:50 PM, Valentin Villenave wrote:
>> Ditto here. I have contacted dozens of French universities, music
>> schools, government-funded music structures and whatnot. Everytime I
>> got an answer, the answer was: "Fuck off, we already have Finale".
>>
>> Or
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 5:10 PM, David Kastrup wrote:
> People try to be editorially neutral, and not suggest any choice of
> religion like vi, Emacs, whatever.
http://lilypond.org/website/easier-editing.html
"As a general rule, if you are not already familiar with Emacs or Vim,
then you would p
Graham Percival writes:
> On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 5:10 PM, David Kastrup wrote:
>> People try to be editorially neutral, and not suggest any choice of
>> religion like vi, Emacs, whatever.
>
> http://lilypond.org/website/easier-editing.html
>
> "As a general rule, if you are not already familiar
On 06/20/2010 06:10 PM, David Kastrup wrote:
> People want a _solution_ to their problem, not new problems they never
> thought about and which are not actually in their personal problem
> space.
That's true, but it only shows that Lilypond isn't yet capable of
operating as a general-purpose best
Joseph Wakeling writes:
> On 06/20/2010 06:10 PM, David Kastrup wrote:
>> People want a _solution_ to their problem, not new problems they never
>> thought about and which are not actually in their personal problem
>> space.
>
> That's true, but it only shows that Lilypond isn't yet capable of
>
On 06/21/2010 01:46 PM, David Kastrup wrote:
> You wish. It is a problem when Lilypond is the best tool for the job
> and/or the cheapest.
'Cheapest' is IMO nowhere near as relevant as many people think,
especially when it relates to organizations like publishers or
universities that have large b
Joseph Wakeling writes:
> On 06/21/2010 01:46 PM, David Kastrup wrote:
>> You wish. It is a problem when Lilypond is the best tool for the job
>> and/or the cheapest.
>
> 'Cheapest' is IMO nowhere near as relevant as many people think,
> especially when it relates to organizations like publisher
Hi David,
>> As for 'best tool for the job', what job are you referring to? Are
>> you sure it is the job that everyone else is trying to do?
>
> Getting the music from your head to paper.
Not that my opinion matters here, but... :)
That is the *least* important part of Lilypond for me -- in
Kieren MacMillan writes:
> Hi David,
>
>>> As for 'best tool for the job', what job are you referring to? Are
>>> you sure it is the job that everyone else is trying to do?
>>
>> Getting the music from your head to paper.
>
> Not that my opinion matters here, but... :)
>
> That is the *least*
Hi David,
> But when trying to hook people on a large scale on Lilypond, you'll find
> that there is a reason Lilypond was your tool of choice, and not theirs.
Of course. So the point is simply, how much resource do/can we [the community]
spend attempting to lure "the masses"? My guess is, the "
On 06/21/2010 06:37 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote:
> However, for me personally -- i.e., how I will spend my assistance and
> sponsorship time, money, and effort -- trying to make Lilypond a better
> *composing* tool is a total non-issue, whereas fixing the innumerable
> *engraving* problems remain
Hi Joseph,
> it seems there are a bunch of optimizations and improvements
> that would be needed to see Lilypond becoming a serious contender
> on mobile or low-power devices etc.
Agreed -- and I believe that should be a serious short-term objective for the
community.
> I'm speaking purely from
Moving to devel:
I think this bounty slush fund needs to happen soon-ish - there's been
two rounds of talking about it, which is great, but it will remain talk
unless someone does something. I also understand that David is in the
position of not wanting to do a full court press for organizing
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 03:01:50AM -0800, m...@apollinemike.com wrote:
> 1) Create an e-mail address "contrib...@lilypond.org" (this I can't
> do - can someone please do this).
Can't do.
> Seems simple, effective, and startable in the next two weeks. I'm
> sure it is not perfect, but LilyPond i
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:24:40 +, Graham Percival wrote:
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 03:01:50AM -0800, m...@apollinemike.com
wrote:
1) Create an e-mail address "contrib...@lilypond.org" (this I can't
do - can someone please do this).
Can't do.
Seems simple, effective, and startable in the nex
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 03:38:21AM -0800, m...@apollinemike.com wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:24:40 +, Graham Percival wrote:
> >Check your email archives for our discussion on 2011 Dec 2 for all
> >the reasons I think this is a bad idea.
>
> Given that several users have already expressed t
Nice suggestions, Mike!
> 2) Create a PayPal account for said address with one and only one
> person, the € czar, who has access to it. This should be someone
> responsible and respectable.
Hmm. This actually means that PayPal is involved two times, stripping
of 2x3% or more...
What about hav
2012/1/25 Graham Percival :
> Check your email archives for our discussion on 2011 Dec 2 for all
> the reasons I think this is a bad idea.
Sorry, but i'm searching for 10 minutes and haven't found relevant
thread. Can you be more specific?
Janek
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Werner LEMBERG writes:
> Nice suggestions, Mike!
>
>> 2) Create a PayPal account for said address with one and only one
>> person, the € czar, who has access to it. This should be someone
>> responsible and respectable.
>
> Hmm. This actually means that PayPal is involved two times, stripping
>
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 02:29:22PM +0100, Janek Warchoł wrote:
> 2012/1/25 Graham Percival :
> > Check your email archives for our discussion on 2011 Dec 2 for all
> > the reasons I think this is a bad idea.
>
> Sorry, but i'm searching for 10 minutes and haven't found relevant
> thread. Can you
>> Can someone do a survey how other free software projects handle this?
>> We could also set up a Pledgie campaign, however, this also cuts off
>> 3% (or more) of the money.
>
> 97% of something is more than 100% of nothing.
Indeed.
What about setting up a whole bunch of lilypond crowdfunding
c
o this: one is SPI[1], another SFC[2]. I'm not sure about the
particulars of them paying out bounties, but ISTR it happening or at
least being discussed in the past. This would require a bit of
organization on the part of the lilypond project to become an
associated project, but the actual inta
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:09:25PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
> There are already existing free software umbrella organizations that
> do this: one is SPI[1], another SFC[2].
Yes, I've considered suggesting (after Valentin suggested it to
me) that we might want to approach SFC, but it hasn't been
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 02:29:28PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
> I would want to avoid
> the situation where I have money on my hand I can't spend in good
> conscience.
In that case, only accept transfers which you feel cover existing
work (provided the sender realizes this), or transfers which ar
2012/1/24 Janek Warchoł :
>
> Xavier, may i ask you an unusual question? Feel free to ignore it.
> Why could you want to become "bounty hunter" (i.e. person that
> organizes bounties and sponsorship)?
This topic is not that easy, as expresses the numerous replies showing
Kieren MacMillan writes:
> Hi David,
>
>> Who gets the bounty? Developer or committer?
>
> Developer. From the person who wants the fix.
> For example, I paid Han-Wen to program the lyricMelismaAlignment property.
>
>> Maybe I should start setting bounties for pa
Hi David,
> I think that the $50 I'll pay myself when this gets through is well-invested.
> Reducing line counts while extending functionality is a good deal.
Agreed -- it sounds like a great patch!
Looking forward to it being part of the base code.
Thanks,
Kieren.
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Hello all,
A large proportion of my compositions and arrangements include voice. There are
certain (one might almost say “many”) things about Lily’s vocal engraving
engine that need fixing. Hence I was very excited when Janek took that part of
Lily on during his Google Summer of Code stint. How
Am 16.12.2013 21:26, schrieb Kieren MacMillan:
and Janek (who is "on sabbatical” due to physical problems)
Just to clarify: Janek is "on sabbatical" because sometimes he has to
follow the demands of a life beyond LilyPond (concretely a two month
internship).
His "physical problems" are rathe
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