On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 4:26 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark Pace
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I just thought you had a real argument I was missing.
Not likely, knowing you, and considering the source of your confusion.
Mark Pot
On Nov 29, 2007, at 3:34 PM, John Summerfield wrote:
Don't forget the Windows doesn't actually run very well on Zeds.
I'd say
doesn't run, but someone here will stick his hand up and say, I've
done it.
Fine, fine, I've done it.
Well, it wasn't a Z. It was a P390 or maybe an IS.
Adam
I don't to run one LINUX on a z/series, I want to run 1000 z/LINUX on
one
z/series.
And I want 200 of them in 6RU. With 3TB of disk. And a pony. *grin*
Now go do some math ..
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Adam Thornton wrote:
On Nov 29, 2007, at 3:34 PM, John Summerfield wrote:
Don't forget the Windows doesn't actually run very well on Zeds.
I'd say
doesn't run, but someone here will stick his hand up and say, I've
done it.
Fine, fine, I've done it.
Eggzactly.
Last time I blamed you for
Huegel, Thomas wrote:
I don't to run one LINUX on a z/series, I want to run 1000 z/LINUX on one
z/series.
which raises a question I've been pondering for some time...
What's a reasonable upper limit on the number of Linux guests on a
well-proportioned Z these days?
Has anyone pushed up the
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 3:14 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Pieter Harder
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I had a look at the scoundrels gallery and apart from the wonderfull people
in Boeblingen the only one I could identify as certifyably European is Rob vd
Heij. Are we that behind the times
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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:45 PM
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Subject: Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris
running on Systemz
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In any case, once we finish
community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on
Systemz
On Nov 29, 2007 4:18 PM, Anton Britz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, you can call your self brain dead if you have not been part of the
IBM
world for the last 30 years but IBM makes money out of adding a few
buttons
to the same boxes
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 4:18 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Anton Britz
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Yes, you can call your self brain dead if you have not been part of the IBM
world for the last 30 years but IBM makes money out of adding a few buttons
to the same boxes/software every year
Don't forget the Windows doesn't actually run very well on Zeds. I'd
say
doesn't run, but someone here will stick his hand up and say, I've
done it.
Actually, starting with Windows Server 2k3 (where you could actually do
something useful with Windows without the GUI), the architecture of
Anton Britz wrote:
Maybe it's because zSeries and Linux in one sentence, is a contradiction of
purpose.
I have just read the History of Ubuntu and Linux is the answer to Open
Source and no constant Upgrade fees but putting zSeries in the same
sentence, nullifies the whole justification to play
On Nov 29, 2007, at 3:45 PM, David Boyes wrote:
In any case, once we finish Solaris, I'd say VMS (or TOPS-20) is
next on
my list. Something with a real security model and a decent
batch/tape/transactional system.
Dude, just do Multics.
The source is available now, and you have 28 spare bits
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 5:00 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], John Summerfield
-snip-
which raises a question I've been pondering for some time...
What's a reasonable upper limit on the number of Linux guests on a
well-proportioned Z these days?
That's seriously into it depends territory.
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 4:45 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], David
Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Still, if Microsoft were to offer me a reasonable sum of money to do it,
I'd seriously think about it. Why shouldn't it run under z/VM? ... after
all, all the other cool operating
Seriously, what about UBUNTU ?
The conceptual idea and effort of Canonical makes sense to me but I was
told, these different flavors of Linux lack device drivers ex. I have a work
colleague that is struggling with Broadband Wireless Device drivers.
Anton Britz
which raises a question I've been pondering for some time...
What's a reasonable upper limit on the number of Linux guests on a
well-proportioned Z these days?
It's not about size of the machine, it's what you do with it. 8-)
For anything other than trivial workload, hundreds to thousands. It
Seriously, what about UBUNTU ?
Ubuntu is a Debian variant. Debian already exists on System z (and we
did a very nice job on it, too). Free from debian.org, or $150 to get
CD/DVDs from SNA. Most of the stuff in Ubuntu that is not stock Debian
doesn't apply to Z hardware -- no bitmap display.
I believe that the Prov. of Quebec reports that they are now running
650+ Linux guests in support of Oracle workloads on a z9-EC system, with
the intent of going to 900+ Linux images sometime in the near future.
This is product type workloads as well, not simply development images.
David Kreuter
Oh, Oh! TOPS-20! I used it in college and loved it. How would you go
about getting permission to do the port? And where would you get the
source? I wouldn't mind running in on my Intel under VMWare just for
fun
(no profit).
http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/
There is a KL emulator and a
On Nov 29, 2007 11:08 PM, Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But, I have to say, I always wondered if Rob was certifiable or not. Now I
know. Thanks! =:O
That is like in certified insane ?
One of the problems for Europeans is that we come late to any
discussion on the list. At 9am
On Thursday, 11/29/2007 at 05:37 EST, Rob van der Heij [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
One of the problems for Europeans is that we come late to any
discussion on the list. At 9am there's already a thread of 45 msgs and
there's little to add... But less problem for me, because I
misunderstood the
On Nov 29, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Anton Britz wrote:
Seriously, what about UBUNTU ?
You really don't want to run desktop-focussed distributions on zSeries.
You've got no graphics hardware--it's just a framebuffer, and the
CPU--which is slow compared to the IO system--has to do all the lifting.
David Boyes wrote:
Seriously, what about UBUNTU ?
Also, the mainstream desktop Linux vendors have done preintegrated loads
for HP and IBM laptops which include device drivers for the built-in
devices -- for modern laptops.
I have a Thinkpad R40. Everything works with OpenSUSE 10.2.
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 4:34 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], John Summerfield
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Don't forget the Windows doesn't actually run very well on Zeds. I'd say
doesn't run, but someone here will stick his hand up and say, I've
done it.
That would be Adam, but
On Thursday, 11/29/2007 at 03:53 EST, Anton Britz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Maybe it's because zSeries and Linux in one sentence, is a contradiction
of
purpose.
I have just read the History of Ubuntu and Linux is the answer to
Open
Source and no constant Upgrade fees but putting zSeries in the
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 4:51 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Adam Thornton
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On Nov 29, 2007, at 3:45 PM, David Boyes wrote:
In any case, once we finish Solaris, I'd say VMS (or TOPS-20) is
next on
my list. Something with a real security model and a decent
Thanks for the explanation but my background is IBM and maybe I am still
trying to get use to the need to change everything to a Hierarchal file
structure and many Linux's, below VM.
VM, the operating system we all tossed out of the Big Computer Center
window in the 70's..
Based on the
biased. As David said in the interviews that have
been floating around on YouTube, we're not doing the OpenSolaris port
to run on the metal, we're doing it to run under z/VM. This is
largely based on watching the Linux-on-s390-and-z experience, in
which an awful lot of development effort has been
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On Nov 29, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Anton Britz wrote:
In the mean time, we have to gradually interlace Linux with zOS
On Thursday, 11/29/2007 at 06:42 EST, Anton Britz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Thanks for the explanation but my background is IBM and maybe I am
still
trying to get use to the need to change everything to a Hierarchal
file
structure and many Linux's, below VM.
You sound as though you think IBM
Yeah, I was going to mention that. The fact that it's written in PL/I
is
certainly an odd choice, but I guess no stranger than writing an OS in
C.
As a retired Multician, there's nothing at all odd about Multics being
in PL/1. PL/1 is perfectly natural, and has a lot of really nice things
in
This is an interview with David Boyes of Sine Nomine Associates on You
Tube. It's five parts, and you even see a z/VM system in part 4! How
often does that happen on You Tube?
David is clearly not having any fun... :)
Part 1: http://youtube.com/watch?v=cH71qP-yDDI
Part 2:
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 3:33 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rich
Smrcina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's five parts, and you even see a z/VM system in part 4! How
often does that happen on You Tube?
As often as anyone with access to z/VM wants to upload a video? It's not like
it's hard
Before anyone else asks, yes that's *our* Solaris porting project.
http://www.sinenomine.net/node/607 for details.
Grr.
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Before anyone else asks, yes that's *our* Solaris porting project.
http://www.sinenomine.net/node/607 for details.
Grr.
... plan to have it available by 3Q 2006.
Misprint?
Like I said, the press coverage is pretty incompetent. That phrase isn't
in our posting...8-)
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Before anyone else asks, yes that's *our* Solaris porting project.
http://www.sinenomine.net/node/607 for details.
Grr.
... plan to have it available by 3Q 2006.
Misprint?
-jc-
On 2/21/07, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What would be the effort to convert applications from Solaris 10 to
OpenSolaris?
I take it this is the same as any other Solaris to Linux conversion
which can be trivial until you hit the OS specific calls.
Recompile. The APIs are identical
On 2/20/07, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was just browsing the session abstracts for the upcoming IBM zExpo in
Munich, Germany when I found this:
L04 Porting OpenSolaris to zSeries: A Long Way Home
(Dr. David Boyes, Sine Nomine Associates)
What was involved in getting Solaris running
I was just browsing the session abstracts for the upcoming IBM zExpo in
Munich, Germany when I found this:
L04 Porting OpenSolaris to zSeries: A Long Way Home
(Dr. David Boyes, Sine Nomine Associates)
What was involved in getting Solaris running on zSeries? What does it
take to make a new
John McKown said:
Isn't that the 128-bit filesystem? shakes head I don't even have
enough DASD to create a real 64-bit filesystem. 128-bit is just plain
overkill, for me.
Does ZFS have any other enhancements that I'm not aware of?
128 bits is overkill for everyone! That's pretty much the
Hi,
Earlier posts to this list made reference to some work being done on
Opensolaris on System z. I've been experimenting with this for several
months now. There's about 150,000 lines of new or changed code involved.
I thought it'd be useful/interesting to summarize where I'm at.
Below
Curiousity question. Why bother? What does OpenSolaris have that is
needed? Why not one of the BSDs as well / instead?
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Curiousity question. Why bother? What does OpenSolaris have that is
needed? Why not one of the BSDs as well / instead?
ZFS
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Curiousity question. Why bother? What does OpenSolaris have that is
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ZFS
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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Perry
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:52 PM
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McKown, John wrote:
Curiousity question. Why bother? What does OpenSolaris have
Now you tell him... :)
Thomas David Rivers wrote:
Wouldn't it be easier to port the file system to Linux than
to port the OS to z-arch?
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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
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I thought people we working to Make ZFS available for Linux
There is an active project to port zfs underway. I was reading about it
on the Sun blog site.
On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 15:03 -0500, Post, Mark K wrote:
I don't think that would have been possible, given the differences in
licensing. If Sun follows through on some comments they've made in the
Curiousity question. Why bother? What does OpenSolaris have that is
needed? Why not one of the BSDs as well / instead?
Because there's a lot of operations and institutional knowledge about
Solaris in a lot of different places, and while Linux and the *BSDs are
low cost/freely acquirable, skills
] OpenSolaris
Curiousity question. Why bother? What does OpenSolaris have that is
needed? Why not one of the BSDs as well / instead?
Because there's a lot of operations and institutional knowledge about
Solaris in a lot of different places, and while Linux and the *BSDs are
low cost/freely
Good point. Solaris on x86 has a loyal following, but it is a small group of
followers.
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Marcy Cortes
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 1:41 PM
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Subject: Re: OpenSolaris
There's
There's also a ton of vendor sw (systems management and other) on
Solaris. If that doesn't get ported as well, doubtful that any large
corp where solaris has been for years would be able to get much use
out
of it. It's still an evolving story with z/Linux.
All true. But, the first argument
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