Re: ELKS 0.0.81 slower than the 0.0.76

2000-07-15 Thread Luke Farrar
On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Greg Haerr wrote: the older versions are faster : than the newer. The starting is the same but the shell is slower. : Mods to tty stuff shouldn't give any sort of noticeable difference, or fs : stuff. There is mention of changes to timer code, but I don't see why any

Re: ELKS 0.0.81 slower than the 0.0.76

2000-07-13 Thread Greg Haerr
the older versions are faster : than the newer. The starting is the same but the shell is slower. : Mods to tty stuff shouldn't give any sort of noticeable difference, or fs : stuff. There is mention of changes to timer code, but I don't see why any : stuff like that should make any noticable

ELKS 0.0.81 slower than the 0.0.76

2000-07-12 Thread COIFFIER =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric
I've installed EKLS on an old 386 with 2Mbytes RAM. I've tried several versions and I've remarked that the older versions are faster than the newer. The starting is the same but the shell is slower. The change is appeared between the 0.0.76 version and the next one. Why ?

Help of ELKS(Embeddable Linux Kernel Sunset)!!!-I'm a Korea

2000-07-08 Thread
I'm a Korea. and study a ELKS. And study a network device driver of ELKS. I listen to delvelopment of a ELKS(a Network device driver)-where: to Intenet. so i'm very happy. Help Me!!! I want to get information of a network device driver of ELKS. I want toreceivea E-Mail. E

About installing elks on a 80286

2000-06-22 Thread Jesus Miguel Diaz
I'm trying to install elks on a 286. It is possible? I'm already did two partitions and i installed ms-dos 6.20 on the bootable one. I have already the developer enviroment and the sources files of the kernel. Do i have to make a bootable floppy and then trying to install on the empty

a FAQ on elks ?

2000-06-16 Thread Tim_Ainslie
Hi, can anyone email me a FAQ on ELKS, I dont have www access so an url is no good. thanks.

Re: a FAQ on elks ?

2000-06-16 Thread Patrice Kadionik
Hi tim, It's just a cut and paste of the FAQfrom the ELKS site... May this help you... Cheers; Pat --- ELKS FAQ This a list of answers to Frequently Asked Questions about ELKS, also known as Linux-8086. This FAQ is maintained by Alistair Riddoch, based on the origonal by Brian Candler

Re: Adding networking to the ELKS basic install kit

2000-06-15 Thread Cristi
is if ELKS will need runtime kernel modules or not. I don't understand. What is a runtime kernel module? Jakob

Re: Adding networking to the ELKS basic install kit

2000-06-15 Thread Christoph Plattner
(arp, udp, ping and perhaps bootp) to ELKS to connect a embedded target to a host, and later on I will search a more complex stack (ideas from linux or what ever.) Phil Blundell wrote a very simple TCP in 6502 assembler

Re: Adding networking to the ELKS basic install kit

2000-06-14 Thread Cristi
. Probably the principial question is if ELKS will need runtime kernel modules or not. cristi At 09:11 PM 6/13/00 +, you wrote: On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, Cristi wrote: I would rather wait for a solid kernel and then add networking. I think networking should be a module as you don't need networking

Re: Adding networking to the ELKS basic install kit

2000-06-13 Thread Cristi
with Jedi Knight Computers Just out of curiosity, has someone come up with the idea for networking for ELKS. It seems to me, to be an easy fix. Gregg C Levine mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi Trust in the Force, Luke, and wait. Obi-Wan Kenobi The Force will be with you

Re: Adding networking to the ELKS basic install kit

2000-06-13 Thread Luke Farrar
On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, Cristi wrote: I would rather wait for a solid kernel and then add networking. I think networking should be a module as you don't need networking everywhere. Biulding it modular you can deal with limited resources. I think the origional plan was to have a user

Re: Adding networking to the ELKS basic install kit

2000-06-13 Thread Dido Sevilla
, while it does have performance bottlenecks, is good enough for what ELKS is supposed to do. We're trying to multitask and network on a real-mode processor with at most 640K of RAM... -- Rafael R. Sevilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] +63 (2) 4342217 Mobile Robotics Laboratory +63

RE: Adding networking to the ELKS basic install kit

2000-06-13 Thread Gregg C Levine
e 13, 2000 4:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Adding networking to the ELKS basic install kit On 2000-06-12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello from Gregg C Levine usually with Jedi Knight Computers Just out of curiosity, has someone come up with the idea for

ELKS to do?

2000-06-12 Thread Brent Cook
Hello everyone, I found ELKS a few months ago when I bought a used Tandy 1400 at Good Will. 0.83 seems to run OK (I can use vi, mount and unmount floppies, etc). I read in the TODO file that the serial drivers need to be tested. Since I don't have the hacking skills to build my own comm

Re: ELKS to do?

2000-06-12 Thread Alan Cox
for(i=0; i6; ++i) ; nosound(); } which is way too long (5 seconds) for any 8086 I've ever used (or my Tandy's V-20). Is there something akin to bogomips that is tested by ELKS that can be used to set the loop to some processor speed dependent value? Use the bogomips

Re: ELKS to do?

2000-06-12 Thread Blaz Antonic
Risking getting another message from Topica .. port of the ELKS machine. It seems to work fine both ways at the 9600 bps that is the default using 'cat /dev/ttyS0' though cat seems awfully slow. How do I set the ports to other speeds, other than modifying the kernel source

Re: ELKS and TCP/IP

2000-05-03 Thread Alan Cox
is out there and ported to a micro or two. Only does PPP though. It appears to be derived from KA9Q, BSD and Linux code. I think the site is http://www.ucos-ii.com/ KA9Q is $50 a copy of non education/non amateur radio users Alan

RE: Location of ELKS Archive?

2000-05-03 Thread Juha Siltala
, I'm waiting for the day to install it on my 286. Unfortunately I'm not experienced enough to contribute, except for maybe doing a document translation to German... Anyway, thanks for your work so far. Regards, Michael A compact distro that would fit on a few disks and contain elks, a nice

Re: elks

2000-05-02 Thread Full Turtle
it sounds a bit ridiculous to me to put so much effort in bringing Elks (or Linux) up on too small or too old-fashioned machines. And why use Elks nowadays on Humm, I don't think so! I have a HP200LX 2MB RAM and it's dieing! It's needing a heart (OS) transplant. I want a RDBMS running there.

Re: Re: elks

2000-05-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FullTurtle a heart (OS) transplant. I want a RDBMS running there. I want a X system running there. I'm not sure I would want to run X on the HP200lx. Ok, I know it's a nice palmtop (I have one) but I dont think it would be fast enough or have enough system ram (you only get 640k) to run X

Re: Re: elks

2000-05-02 Thread Thomas Stewart
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" FullTurtle a heart (OS) transplant. I want a RDBMS running there. I want a X system running there. I'm not sure I would want to run X on the HP200lx. Ok, I know it's a nice palmtop (I have one) but I dont think it would be fast enough or have enough system ram (you

ELKS and TCP/IP

2000-05-02 Thread Larry Howard Mittman
Is the TCP/IP project totally dead, or is someone still working on it? I have an ATT PC6300 just waiting for me to install ELKS on it, but without a TCP/IP stack, it is of limited use to me. I **really** want to put it back into service!! Thanks - Larry

Re: ELKS and TCP/IP

2000-05-02 Thread Ken Yap
Is the TCP/IP project totally dead, or is someone still working on it? I have an ATT PC6300 just waiting for me to install ELKS on it, but without a TCP/IP stack, it is of limited use to me. I **really** want to put it back into service!! Thanks - Larry AFAIK nobody's doing anything. I saw

Re: elks

2000-04-29 Thread Alan Cox
Then I am missing quite a bit of recognition of the early work in porting UNIX in the form of Minix by the group of Andy Tanenbaum. We still have the minix format around, but Andy was one of the first the throw open the full source code for Minix in his book: Operating Systems, Design

Re: Location of ELKS Archive?

2000-04-27 Thread Alistair Riddoch
On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 09:57:47PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: Does this mean ELKS has TCP/IP networking with PPP and/or SLIP? Nope. Thats a totally seperate project I have had a few replies along these lines, but networking is as Alan says, a completely different project. It is also something I

Re: Location of ELKS Archive?

2000-04-27 Thread Alistair Riddoch
On Thu, Apr 27, 2000 at 01:12:36PM +0200, Christian Theil Have wrote: Alistair Riddoch wrote: On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 09:57:47PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: Does this mean ELKS has TCP/IP networking with PPP and/or SLIP? Nope. Thats a totally seperate project I have had a few

Re: Location of ELKS Archive?

2000-04-27 Thread Blaz Antonic
. Is there some one who is responsible coordinating for this? I'm sorry about all my clueless questions here, but I i'd really like to know You have right to be confused :-) There is no (public) TCP/IP for ELKS project and never was one. There were only few people claiming they would do something

Re: Location of ELKS Archive?

2000-04-27 Thread Luke Farrar
site and/or mailing list for this project. Is there some one who is responsible coordinating for this? I'm sorry about all my clueless questions here, but I i'd really like to know You have right to be confused :-) There is no (public) TCP/IP for ELKS project and never was one

Re: Location of ELKS Archive?

2000-04-26 Thread Alistair Riddoch
On Tue, Apr 25, 2000 at 11:56:40PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: that is unusable. I was hoping to be able to get a linux derivitive on it in hopes of making it useable for terminal emulation as well as some standard development. I will poke around for a while, but I don't doubt you. Its

RE: Location of ELKS Archive?

2000-04-26 Thread Hofmann Michael
Alistair Riddoch wrote: Looking at the state of the project it is no longer obvious to me which way to proceed. It essentially runs pretty stably on all my test platforms, and I have reached the point where it is no longer obvious to me what to do next. Any ideas anyone? Yes. How

Re: Location of ELKS Archive?

2000-04-26 Thread Full Turtle
Hei, who's that Veronica Parsons? Did I understand right? Did you really got to run ELKS on a HP200lx. If you got, PLEASE let me know how you did! I'm expecting for this moment since I heard about ELKS the first time!!! Thank you for any information! --- Steve Korson [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu

Re: Location of ELKS Archive?

2000-04-26 Thread Alan Cox
Looking at the state of the project it is no longer obvious to me which way to proceed. It essentially runs pretty stably on all my test platforms, and I have reached the point where it is no longer obvious to me what to do next. Any ideas anyone? Call it 0.99 announce it and go on holiday

RE: Location of ELKS Archive?

2000-04-26 Thread Rod Boyce
Does this mean ELKS has TCP/IP networking with PPP and/or SLIP? -Original Message- From: Alistair Riddoch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 26 April 2000 21:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject

Re: Location of ELKS Archive?

2000-04-26 Thread Alan Cox
Does this mean ELKS has TCP/IP networking with PPP and/or SLIP? Nope. Thats a totally seperate project

Re: Is ELKS a good idea for teaching O.S.

2000-04-09 Thread Prem Setu
dosemu is enough for Elks. I did not try yet but it must be light and fast. If someone want to run Elks on non x86, then she need Bochs Also there is alternative of VMware is under development with GPL... http://www.plex86.org/ (it was called FreeMWare). I am expecting this... love setu

Re: Is ELKS a good idea for teaching O.S.

2000-04-09 Thread Alan Cox
dosemu is enough for Elks. I did not try yet but it must be light and fast. If someone want to run Elks on non x86, then she need Bochs Also there is alternative of VMware is under development with GPL... http://www.plex86.org/ (it was called FreeMWare). I am expecting this... Also

Re: Is ELKS a good idea for teaching O.S.

2000-04-09 Thread Prem Setu
Nicola Girardi wrote: On Sun, Apr 09, 2000 at 11:46:54AM +0530, Prem Setu wrote: | dosemu is enough for Elks. I did not try yet but it must be light and fast. | If someone want to run Elks on non x86, then she need Bochs Is there anywhere a howto/guide to set up dosemu to boot elks? Ah

Re: Is ELKS a good idea for teaching O.S.

2000-04-09 Thread Prem Setu
Nicola Girardi wrote: On Sun, Apr 09, 2000 at 11:46:54AM +0530, Prem Setu wrote: | dosemu is enough for Elks. I did not try yet but it must be light and fast. | If someone want to run Elks on non x86, then she need Bochs Is there anywhere a howto/guide to set up dosemu to boot elks? Ah

Re: Is ELKS a good idea for teaching O.S.

2000-04-09 Thread John Galt
On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Prem Setu wrote: dosemu is enough for Elks. I did not try yet but it must be light and fast. If someone want to run Elks on non x86, then she need Bochs Also there is alternative of VMware is under development with GPL... http://www.plex86.org/ (it was called

Re: Is ELKS a good idea for teaching O.S.

2000-04-07 Thread John Galt
But Bochs just went GPL recently, so there is some good coming out of the vmware thing... On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Andru Luvisi wrote: On Sat, 18 Mar 2000, Prem Setu wrote: [snip] Host OS: Linux, Win., Mac Emulator: Vmware, Dosemu, Bochs [snip] For those who care about this sort of thing,

Re: how much memory can ELKS support?

2000-03-18 Thread Leonardo Sampaio Cardoso
rigoo wrote: Hello everyone I want to use ELKS on my miniboard ( 386sx, 4M ram, 8M flash), but I am not sure that ELKS support 4M memory, because ELKS is designd for 8086, and 8086 only support 1M memory, Any information on this matter is going to be greatly

Re: Is ELKS a good idea for teaching O.S.

2000-03-18 Thread Prem Setu
Hi It is good idea to run ELKS on top of another Host OS for teaching or learning. (developing too). Student does not need to have 2 box. They don't need to reboot to switch OS. There are several products to have virtual 8086 PC. Host OS: Linux, Win., Mac Emulator: Vmware, Dosemu, Bochs Also

Re: how much memory can ELKS support?

2000-03-18 Thread Veronica Parsons
] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 17 March 2000 22:02 Subject: how much memory can ELKS support? Hello everyone I want to use ELKS on my miniboard ( 386sx, 4M ram, 8M flash), but I am not sure that ELKS support 4M memory, because ELKS is designd for 8086, and 8086

Does someone else work on ELKS and Minix at the same time?

2000-03-02 Thread ghost
I want to know about some ELKS and Minix possibilities on net. Does anybody knows something about ppp in Minix (especialy for 286), and some posibilites to do that on ELKS? I prefere ELKS, but Minix had network now!(but Minix is too insecure ( I want to compile ssh for Minix and that is priority

Re: Is ELKS a good idea for teaching O.S.

2000-03-02 Thread ghost
s of the 1st edition in the library of your CS faculty. The ISBN of the 2nd edition is 970-17-0165-8 Anyway, If you are very interested in ELKS, you can find some technical papers on the ELKS site. We (at least me!!!) would be very grateful if you wrote some essays that help people to learn how ELKS w

Re: Is ELKS a good idea for teaching O.S.

2000-03-02 Thread Juanjo Marin
I am a beginer with Minix and ELKS, but I prefered ELKS (not MINIX) first because Minixs' bad development. I actually mean that Minix's developers don't work so hard on Minix. At the first time, I asced Al about somethin, and I recived answers very fast, on Minix distribution I asked some

ELKS for ARM

2000-03-01 Thread Byungsoo Jung
Hi Everyone! I have started porting ELKS for ARM. Is is somebody working similar project? I have written ELKS Korean FAQ. Korean is the place which will be held Worldcup in 2002 with Japan. Sincerely, Byungsoo Jung

RE: ELKS for ARM

2000-03-01 Thread Simon Wood
Hi, I've been doing the Psion stuff, and also have an interest in an ARM port. Particularly with the embedded versions that contain a whole load of peripherals (serial/dram controllers/LCD etc. etc.). What platform/processor are you starting with? and (the big question) how far have you got?

Re: ELKS for ARM

2000-03-01 Thread Alan Cox
I have started porting ELKS for ARM. Is is somebody working similar project? I believe there is a ucLinux ARM project for the 7500T. (ucLinux is full Linux without an MMU) Alan

Re: ELKS for ARM

2000-03-01 Thread Byungsoo Jung
I'm sorry for late response. I have to sleep a little :). Hi, I've been doing the Psion stuff, and also have an interest in an ARM port. I've known your great work. And I would like to assitant your work for ARM. Particularly with the embedded versions that contain a whole load of

Re: Is ELKS a good idea for teaching O.S.

2000-02-29 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Alegria Loinaz. Inaki wrote: I am a new participant in the list and after reading FAQs I have a couple of questions: - Is ELKS able to run executable programs from standard Linux? Not directly, since standard Linux programs are in 32bit code, ELKS is mainly for 16bit

Re: Is ELKS a good idea for teaching O.S.

2000-02-29 Thread Alistair Riddoch
On Wed, Mar 01, 2000 at 01:10:52AM +1100, David Murn wrote: On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Alegria Loinaz. Inaki wrote: I am a new participant in the list and after reading FAQs I have a couple of questions: - Is ELKS able to run executable programs from standard Linux? Not directly, since

Re: Is ELKS a good idea for teaching O.S.

2000-02-29 Thread Juanjo Marin
N of the 2nd edition is 970-17-0165-8 Anyway, If you are very interested in ELKS, you can find some technical papers on the ELKS site. We (at least me!!!) would be very grateful if you wrote some essays that help people to learn how ELKS works. About Linux, there are some documents and bo

Re: Is ELKS a good idea for teaching O.S.

2000-02-29 Thread Arnaud Launay
Le Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 04:29:47PM +0100, Juanjo Marin a écrit: About Linux, there are some documents and books about the kernel. There is a translation of David Rusling's "The Linux Kernel" avalaible in any mirror of LuCAS (LinUx en CAStellano). And there is a translation of a French (or

8086 compatible Palmtop for develop ELKS

2000-02-25 Thread Luciano Jose Alves
Hi Anyone know some palmtop (or pda) computer (no HP2000Lx and Psion) based on 8086 compatible processor (or 186 or 286)? Até mais... Luciano José Alves [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ilha.feesc.ufsc.br/~luciano Phones: (055)-048-234-1279 (FEESC)

Re: 8086 compatible Palmtop for develop ELKS

2000-02-25 Thread MagerValp
"Luciano" == Luciano Jose Alves [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Luciano Hi Anyone know some palmtop (or pda) computer (no HP2000Lx Luciano and Psion) based on 8086 compatible processor (or 186 or Luciano 286)? The Atari Portfolio maybe? -- ___ . . . . . + .

Re: 8086 compatible Palmtop for develop ELKS

2000-02-25 Thread MagerValp
"Luciano" == Luciano Jose Alves [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MV The Atari Portfolio maybe? Luciano Tell more about this. It's good for run ELKS ? Not sure. It has DOS 2.11 in ROM, has 128 kB of RAM (a minimum of 32 kB is used as a C: ram disk) and uses battery backed up SRAM cards f

RE: microchannel for ELKS update

2000-02-18 Thread Carey J. V. Platt
guys the man views coding MCA drivers as "Fun" As long as he dos not work for win-DOZe 2000 (Which I now realize refers to the number of bugs in it not the year (Truth in Advertising)) , we shouldn't really put any presure on him, it will all work out . MY (red) hat is off right now

RE: microchannel for ELKS update

2000-02-18 Thread Thomas Stewart
As long as he dos not work for win-DOZe 2000 (Which I now realize refers to the number of bugs in it not the year (Truth in Advertising)) If only there were 'only' 2000 bugs! tom __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Re: microchannel for ELKS update

2000-02-17 Thread Shadow Daemon
: 1) I'm not going to get any code written any time : soon unless I quit school and quit my job and devote : all my time to "fun" coding like this. Well?? Which is it going to be?? I'm afraid I'm going to have to stick with school and work, Greg. ;-) ELKS don't pay the bills

Re: microchannel for ELKS update

2000-02-17 Thread Greg Haerr
: 1) I'm not going to get any code written any time : soon unless I quit school and quit my job and devote : all my time to "fun" coding like this. Well?? Which is it going to be??

microchannel for ELKS update

2000-02-16 Thread Matt Balaun
A few weeks ago, I said I'd see what I could do about writing some preliminary drivers for MCA support under ELKS. Wow. Talk about biting off more than I could chew. I did a lot of library research, looking through books and manuals for technical information about MCA architecture. I found

Re: can elks run on a loner 8086

2000-02-14 Thread Alistair Riddoch
On Sun, Feb 13, 2000 at 09:05:30PM +0500, ghazanhaider wrote: (1)in embedded systems of course you just cant run an OS on a processor with no RAM. but WITH RAM and absolutely nothing else like an 8059 PIC could you run ELKS (preferably) or something else??? You could run ELKS with nothing

can elks run on a loner 8086

2000-02-13 Thread ghazanhaider
(1)in embedded systems of course you just cant run an OS on a processor with no RAM. but WITH RAM and absolutely nothing else like an 8059 PIC could you run ELKS (preferably) or something else??? (2)what is the exact list of the standard PC features ELKS absolutely requires... like can it live

Fw: cvs commit: elks/arch/i86/kernel process.c

2000-01-27 Thread Greg Haerr
Al, I happended to see this bug come across the CVS, and just wanted to make sure that you've double checked it. This was the exact area that had to be changed relating to ELK's sys_brk() bug that disallowed data segments 32k... I can't quite remember the original code. Regards, Greg :

Re: Fw: cvs commit: elks/arch/i86/kernel process.c

2000-01-27 Thread Alistair Riddoch
On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 11:25:08AM -0700, Greg Haerr wrote: Al, I happended to see this bug come across the CVS, and just wanted to make sure that you've double checked it. This was the exact area that had to be changed relating to ELK's sys_brk() bug that disallowed data segments

RE: Fw: cvs commit: elks/arch/i86/kernel process.c

2000-01-27 Thread Greg Haerr
: I think you may be mis-remembering the bug. IIRC the 32K bug was in sys_brk() : and was related to the type of the argument being signed instead of unsigned. I think you're right. The original bug can be reproduced by having a small ELKS program that malloc's memory. We should be able

The ELKS Documentation Project (EDP)

2000-01-23 Thread semjaza
I have begun the ELKS Documentation Project (EDP). I will have all of the READMEs, INSTALLs, FAQs, and technical documents I can get there. COme take a look at what I have so far. http://www.crosswinds.net/~edp Let me know what you think. Any suggestions for additions are welcome. Who's

ELKS 0.0.82 has been released.

2000-01-10 Thread Alistair Riddoch
ELKS 0.0.82 has been released and is available from the following locations:- ftp://linux.mit.edu/pub/ELKS/kernel/elks-0.0.82/elks-0.0.82.tar.gz ftp://ftp.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pub/elks/elks-0.0.82/elks-0.0.82.tar.gz The release directory contains the following files:- elks

RE: Some q's - Driving LCD Display within ELKS.

1999-11-24 Thread Simon Wood
: Re: Some q's On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, William Price wrote: Yes,I have questions about this as well. I wish to someday run ELKS on my Tandy HD 1000 laptop (8086 based) and its screen is LCD. Is anyone working on this, or does anyone have any knowledge about it? William Price

RE: Some q's - Driving LCD Display within ELKS.

1999-11-24 Thread Greg Haerr
, not VGA. Currently, the most-used ELKS console drivers assumes a memory- mapped text screen at B800 or B000 (this is read from the BIOS at startup). There is, however, a BIOS console (which needs updating) that uses BIOS calls for character display. We could very easily enhance this BIOS console driver

Re: ELKS 0.0.81 available from ftp.ecs.soton.ac.uk

1999-11-23 Thread Riley Williams
t this way, and that you actually hook interrupt 0x19. This allows BIOS to detect various hardware, and call any other important ROMs, such as video and disk controller. While you (in theory) can boot directly from the ROM, ELKS won't like you much. Apart from anything else, quite a few driver

Re: KISS networking for elks

1999-11-23 Thread Riley Williams
Hi David. Aren't some people working on network drivers? Are they at the stage where we can transmit and receive ethernet frames yet? I'm not sure, but the sooner it's working, the better IMHO. One good use I can see for networked ELKS is as a print server for the network. Basically, all

Re: ELKS Networking

1999-11-23 Thread Dan Olson
. The obvious question is what network adapters do you use? 3Com Etherlink and Etherlink II (3c501 and 3c503). I guess I have some Arcnet cards toothough I don't see arcnet in Elks' near future :) Dan

Re: ELKS 0.0.81 available from ftp.ecs.soton.ac.uk

1999-11-22 Thread Riley Williams
for testing ELKS alot of the time has cassette BASIC built into its BIOS. I only found out by accident because I took out the harddrive. If I remember right the bios setup replaces the basic, On my 386, if you call basic (with an int or someting, did it years ago and can't remember

Re: ELKS 0.0.81 available from ftp.ecs.soton.ac.uk

1999-11-22 Thread Alistair Riddoch
Riley Williams writes: The original setup was actually quite simple, and worked as follows: 1. On power-up, the CPU switches itself into Real mode and starts running the BIOS POST routines. 2. After completing the POST, the BIOS scans through the rest of the BIOS area looking

Re: ELKS 0.0.81 available from ftp.ecs.soton.ac.uk

1999-11-22 Thread Ken Yap
How do Video BIOS make sure they are executed before everything else? Video BIOSes are looked for as a special case. They are normally located from C to C8000.

ELKS on the TANDY-HD1000?

1999-11-17 Thread William Price
. I know Tandy's flavor of DOS was mandatory for *some* reason, but I haven't looked into it again since I first tried two years ago. I would dearly love to use an 8086 laptop running ELKS, If I can get as much use as I have out of DOS. I do mostly text reading/composing (in EDIT), and also use

Re: ELKS NIC that will take a 64K rom

1999-11-16 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Alistair Riddoch wrote: I am now stuck. I have tried a 3c509B, an SMC Ultra, and SMC 'Western Digital' card, and various older NICS, and none of them take more than 32K. The only remaining options are purpose build cards. How about packing the ROM image with some

Re: ELKS NIC that will take a 64K rom

1999-11-16 Thread Ken Yap
I am now stuck. I have tried a 3c509B, an SMC Ultra, and SMC 'Western Digital' card, and various older NICS, and none of them take more than 32K. The only remaining options are purpose build cards. Another possibility is two NICs with a 32kB ROM each.

Palm Pilot ELKS.

1999-11-15 Thread Simon Wood
I am very aware of the uClinux stuff (their mailing list is very active) but personally I think that the main kernel is too big to fit on a Palm Pilot. Is anyone in the ELKS group planing (or doing) ELKS on the Pilot? We could afterall nick all the stuff they have discovered about the hardware

Re: ELKS NIC that will take a 64K rom

1999-11-15 Thread Alistair Riddoch
Gregory Leblanc writes: -Original Message- From: Alistair Riddoch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 4:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ELKS 0.0.81 available from

RE: Palm Pilot ELKS.

1999-11-15 Thread Simon Wood
Yes and No. So far ELKS has been '86 based because that is the most common architecture. I haven't looked at the uClinux code but assume that they have set up another (or modified) an architecture tree - so they will have drivers etc. I only suggested it because it seems like fun (I must be mad

RE: Palm Pilot ELKS.

1999-11-15 Thread thorhajo
I don't think it would dilute the main ELKS tree, the more people that get involve the better (even if they are just testers). Obviously nobody could be forced to work on other ports, it's just that some may be interested in trying it. Personally I would like to see ELKS branch out over

RE: Palm Pilot ELKS.

1999-11-15 Thread Greg Haerr
: Personally I would like to see ELKS branch out over many processors (just : like it's big brother), and hopefully conquer the 16bit world. Could someone give a paragraph describing the Palm Pilot's CPU/memory architecture? I thought it was a 32 bit processor, not 16 bit... Greg

Re: ELKS NIC that will take a 64K rom

1999-11-15 Thread Ken Yap
in my test machines, and the fact that I use this machine for development, and for my job. I think the 905 takes a flash PROM, not a UVEPROM. Besides it's PCI and the boot ROM is mapped in by the PnP BIOS, so that's no good for ELKS.

Re: ELKS NIC that will take a 64K rom

1999-11-15 Thread Alistair Riddoch
is that this card is PCI, so wont go in my test machines, and the fact that I use this machine for development, and for my job. I think the 905 takes a flash PROM, not a UVEPROM. Besides it's PCI and the boot ROM is mapped in by the PnP BIOS, so that's no good for ELKS. Makes sense. None of the 3com docs

Re: ELKS NIC that will take a 64K rom

1999-11-15 Thread Ken Yap
I am now stuck. I have tried a 3c509B, an SMC Ultra, and SMC 'Western Digital' card, and various older NICS, and none of them take more than 32K. The only remaining options are purpose build cards. Have you considered using a compressed ROM image like Etherboot does? With that you could get

Re: ELKS NIC that will take a 64K rom

1999-11-15 Thread Alistair Riddoch
Ken Yap writes: I am now stuck. I have tried a 3c509B, an SMC Ultra, and SMC 'Western Digital' card, and various older NICS, and none of them take more than 32K. The only remaining options are purpose build cards. Have you considered using a compressed ROM image like Etherboot does?

Re: ELKS 0.0.81 available from ftp.ecs.soton.ac.uk

1999-11-14 Thread Stefan Pettersson
On 13-Nov-99 David Murn wrote: On Sat, 13 Nov 1999, Stefan Pettersson wrote: So we are back to the usual problem, where in the 640 kB should we put or own EPROM. Sorry, my fingers wasn't syncronized with my brain. What I meant was: So we are back to the usual problem, where in the

Re: ELKS 0.0.81 available from ftp.ecs.soton.ac.uk

1999-11-14 Thread Alistair Riddoch
Stefan Pettersson writes: On 13-Nov-99 David Murn wrote: On Sat, 13 Nov 1999, Stefan Pettersson wrote: So we are back to the usual problem, where in the 640 kB should we put or own EPROM. Sorry, my fingers wasn't syncronized with my brain. What I meant was: So we are back to the

Re: ELKS 0.0.81 available from ftp.ecs.soton.ac.uk

1999-11-14 Thread Ken Yap
The code Christian has contributed does just this, though I have not yet been able to get it to work as I am still tracking down a network card that will take a 64K ROM. I have the plans for a flashcard, but have not yet been able to get thte parts to build one. I've seen some NE2000 clones that

Re: ELKS 0.0.81 available from ftp.ecs.soton.ac.uk

1999-11-14 Thread Ken Yap
Sorry, my fingers wasn't syncronized with my brain. What I meant was: So we are back to the usual problem, where in the 640kB..1024kB range should we put or own EPROM. Somewhere free from C8000 to F.

Re: ELKS 0.0.81 available from ftp.ecs.soton.ac.uk

1999-11-13 Thread John Galt
BTW, neither BIOS nor cassette ROM map to low memory--BIOS starts in the 0E range for PS2s, 0F for normal ATs, cassette Basic having a start of about 0F6000. This might provide some interesting consequences, as the Linux Kernel maps BIOS with all zeros, the BIOS being unnecessary to the

Re: ELKS 0.0.81 available from ftp.ecs.soton.ac.uk

1999-11-13 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 13 Nov 1999, Stefan Pettersson wrote: So we are back to the usual problem, where in the 640 kB should we put or own EPROM. On x86 you've got 20 address lines, this is 0-1mb. What do you think the space is reserved for from 640k-1024k? ROMs. When the system boots, it will probe

Re: ELKS 0.0.81 available from ftp.ecs.soton.ac.uk

1999-11-13 Thread Blaz Antonic
This is unverified, but I think the Basic-hook is still there, untouched. But some of the EPROM area reserved for Basic has been used for the setup subprograms. So we are back to the usual problem, where in the 640 kB should we put or own EPROM. Nowhere. There is a memory area meant for

Re: ELKS 0.0.81 available from ftp.ecs.soton.ac.uk

1999-11-13 Thread David Murn
boot directly from the ROM, ELKS won't like you much. Apart from anything else, quite a few drivers, notably the disk and console drivers generally use BIOS calls. Davey

Re: ELKS 0.0.81 available from ftp.ecs.soton.ac.uk

1999-11-13 Thread Ken Yap
Actually, 'format' simply means 0x55aa at the start of the image, and the 3rd byte contains the number of 256 byte pages in the ROM. Nothing else is involved in the 'format'. 0x55aa number of 256 word = 512 byte pages entry point, entered with long jump and cs = segment of ROM All the bytes in

RE: KISS networking for elks

1999-11-12 Thread Stefan Pettersson
conections over the internet,but our elks will not need such long distance connections ever. No, IP is more ingenious than you think. You can scale it both up and down. If you skip all fancy IP options, it's very simple and doesn't take much memory at all. IP/ICMP/UDP can be done in 1-2 kb (I have

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