Re: [OT] Fragmentation in the community

2008-06-01 Thread Meir Kriheli
Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 11:22:19PM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: No, a planet aggregates many "columns" (blogs) into one newspaper. There are still a multitude of information sources - other "newspapers" - that it doesn't aggregate. It doesn't aggregate mailing lists like th

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-01 Thread michael shiloh
In the interest of full disclosure, I should let you all know that I work for Openmoko. Also, as an Israeli living in the USA I have a strong personal interest in helping Israeli developers get access to Openmoko as much as I can. Doron and I have talked and continue to be in contact and I (and O

Re: Debian still generated bad ssh keys

2008-06-01 Thread Amos Shapira
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Amos Shapira wrote: >> >>> >>> The correct package version is libssl0.9.8-4etch3 . That's where the >>> PRNG code resides. >>> >> >> $ dpkg -l libssl0.9.8 >> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold >> | Status=Not/Instal

Re: [OT] Fragmentation in the community

2008-06-01 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 11:22:19PM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: > No, a planet aggregates many "columns" (blogs) into one newspaper. > There are still a multitude of information sources - other > "newspapers" - that it doesn't aggregate. It doesn't aggregate > mailing lists like this one Use a mail

Re: Debian still generated bad ssh keys

2008-06-01 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 07:24:30AM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Amos Shapira wrote: > > > >> > >>The correct package version is libssl0.9.8-4etch3 . That's where the > >>PRNG code resides. > >> > > > >$ dpkg -l libssl0.9.8 > >Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold > >| Status=Not/Installe

Re: Debian still generated bad ssh keys

2008-06-01 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Amos Shapira wrote: and as far as I can tell this one didn't come from backports. Maybe they had it and removed it the moment they realized it breaks the ssl upgrade. If that happens, it will seem like a locally created package to aptitude, and it won't point the finger any longer. Sadly,

Re: Debian still generated bad ssh keys

2008-06-01 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Amos Shapira wrote: The correct package version is libssl0.9.8-4etch3 . That's where the PRNG code resides. $ dpkg -l libssl0.9.8 Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=bot

Re: Debian still generated bad ssh keys

2008-06-01 Thread Amos Shapira
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Yedidyah Bar-David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mind you, the bug was not in openssh, but in openssl. You should (at > least) update this one too. It affected many other packagess, including > openssh, which was updated to check for bad keys etc., but the actual fix

Re: Debian still generated bad ssh keys (was: Re: SSH vulnerable key package?

2008-06-01 Thread Amos Shapira
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 09:49:34PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote: >> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Ira Abramov > >> > make sure you did dist-upgrade and not just upgrade. I think without it, >> >> Why "dist-upgrade"? It's a s

Re: X/xorg keyboard question

2008-06-01 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi, I have investigated the issue a bit more. Apparently it's not X fault (xev shows the exact keycode, whether it's in english or hebrew when pressing CTRL). I have tested this issue with GMail's rich text editing, and it works perfectly (pressing CTRL B or CTRL U while typing in hebrew). It se

Re: [OT] Fragmentation in the community

2008-06-01 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Jun 01, 2008, Oron Peled wrote about "Re: [OT] Fragmentation in the community": > > Frankly, I don't see how this planet.linux.org.il solves any fragmentation > > issue. If I continue with the newspaper analogy, this is simply yet another > > newspaper, > > I disagree on that one. A plane

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-01 Thread Doron [Ofek BIZ]
Hi Gilad , Shachar ... all There will be 2 types of tracks ( I hope so) : 1 - for regular costumers 2 - for Linux and Open Source users For the second type , the price will be without any profit (so basically I don't think that business people should learn from me). :-) I already star

Re: OT: some thoughts on that open cell phone. :-)

2008-06-01 Thread Doron [Ofek BIZ]
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > I just want to toss out some thoughts and see if it inspires anyone: > > 1. What certification do they have now? Are those certifications accepted >in Israel? > FCC - for the U.S import CE - for Europe import NCC - for Taiwan import The FCC certification ac

Re: [OT] Fragmentation in the community

2008-06-01 Thread Oron Peled
On Sunday, 1 בJune 2008, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Sat, May 31, 2008, Lior Kaplan wrote about "[OT] Fragmentation in the > community": > > I've written about why does it seems most of the members of this list > > don't read planet.linux.org.il. > > But to get more serious for a moment, I don't see

Re: batch dispatcher - what do I really need?

2008-06-01 Thread Michael Tewner
Condor? On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Ira Abramov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > my client here is developping VLSI hardware (Cadence tools, > compilation-verification-simulation, and so on). they want to utilize a > new monster CPU machine we just bought as the first of maybe many > machines, as

Re: OT: some thoughts on that open cell phone. :-)

2008-06-01 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: I just want to toss out some thoughts and see if it inspires anyone: 1. What certification do they have now? FCC Are those certifications accepted in Israel? No, but it does give a ballpark idea of whether the MoC will certify them. Of course, this has not

OT: some thoughts on that open cell phone. :-)

2008-06-01 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
I just want to toss out some thoughts and see if it inspires anyone: 1. What certification do they have now? Are those certifications accepted in Israel? 2. Who actually manufactures them? For example, the world's largest cell phone manufacturer is Flextronics, which has a plant in Israel.

batch dispatcher - what do I really need?

2008-06-01 Thread Ira Abramov
my client here is developping VLSI hardware (Cadence tools, compilation-verification-simulation, and so on). they want to utilize a new monster CPU machine we just bought as the first of maybe many machines, as well as use the two existing VNC servers they work on during the day as compilation mach

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-01 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Gilad Ben-Yossef, from the post of Sun, 01 Jun: >> however if you want just to buy a quantity together, just to reduce >> cost, or even just to help friends, then i do not see a problem of >> having no profit ... > > He has to pay for MoC tests out of his pocket, not to mention running

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-01 Thread Erez D
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Erez D wrote: > > > > > If you sell it with a profit, then you need to give support, gurentee, etc > ... and this is a big headache. > please first see how you make a profit before you start. (see that you get > more t

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-01 Thread Erez D
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: > >> >> My advice: don't. There's a reason why they call it the FreeRunner and not >> the FreeLoader... we keep saying FOSS si about freedom and not free beer. >> It's about time we act like it too

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-01 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Erez D wrote: If you sell it with a profit, then you need to give support, gurentee, etc ... and this is a big headache. please first see how you make a profit before you start. (see that you get more then you invest, including money, your TIME, etc...) however if you want just to buy a

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-01 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: My advice: don't. There's a reason why they call it the FreeRunner and not the FreeLoader... we keep saying FOSS si about freedom and not free beer. It's about time we act like it too. I'm with Gilad on this. The community at large has more to gain by someone who ma

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-01 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Hi, Doron [Ofek BIZ] wrote: Hi Gilad , Shachar ... all There will be 2 types of tracks ( I hope so) : 1 - for regular costumers 2 - for Linux and Open Source users For the second type , the price will be without any profit (so basically I don't think that business people should learn

Re: Debian still generated bad ssh keys (was: Re: SSH vulnerable key package?

2008-06-01 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 09:49:34PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote: > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Ira Abramov > > make sure you did dist-upgrade and not just upgrade. I think without it, > > Why "dist-upgrade"? It's a security fix for the same distro (Debian Etch). The "dist-upgrade" is due to the

Re: Debian still generated bad ssh keys (was: Re: SSH vulnerable key package?

2008-06-01 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 09:49:34PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote: > Why "dist-upgrade"? It's a security fix for the same distro (Debian Etch). Contrary to common wisdom (and intuition), dist-upgrade is not related to upgrading between distros. The difference between it and upgrade is that upgrade will

Re: Debian still generated bad ssh keys

2008-06-01 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 09:00:11PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote: > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, it's better to have the "security" repository after the isoc one. > > This way, if both have the same package, you will get it from the > > geogra

Re: Debian still generated bad ssh keys (was: Re: SSH vulnerable key package?

2008-06-01 Thread Amos Shapira
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Ira Abramov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting Amos Shapira, from the post of Fri, 30 May: >> >> All packages on my Debian Etch desktop are up to date, "vulnkeys" >> found old vulnerable keys and I cleaned them up (also from other >> systems). >> >> BUT - I can't g

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-01 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Doron [Ofek BIZ] wrote: MOD (ministry of deface ) Now that is a Freudian slip if there ever was one... :-) A Freudian slip is when you mean one thing, but say your mother. Shachar = To unsubscribe, se

Re: X/xorg keyboard question

2008-06-01 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hmm, after checking a bit more, it seems that in apps like xterm, konsole, it works well. However, in applications like Firefox, when I'm using rich text editor (like in wordpress editing), the CTRL key doesn't activate the shortcuts unless I'm in english (us) mode. Hetz On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 1

Re: Debian still generated bad ssh keys

2008-06-01 Thread Amos Shapira
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, it's better to have the "security" repository after the isoc one. > This way, if both have the same package, you will get it from the > geographically closer one. > > But, yes, failing to have the security source

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-01 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Doron [Ofek BIZ] wrote: MOD (ministry of deface ) Now that is a Freudian slip if there ever was one... :-) Anyway, I want one two. Doron, it looks like you already have a first batch of customers for the first shipment... :-) Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef Chief Coffee Drinker Codefidenc

Re: X/xorg keyboard question

2008-06-01 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: In Windows, there is no such a problem: when you press the CTRL key, as long as the key is pressed, you're in English mode. I would put it to you that users of a French/Hebrew keyboard would disagree with your statement that this is not a problem. In that combination, Ctrl+

Re: X/xorg keyboard question

2008-06-01 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 11:54:54AM +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > Hi, > > I have a small issue for quite a while which I can't find a fix for > it, and I would like to ask you if you have any suggestion before I > submit it to the xorg people... > > Anyone who uses any rich text editor in Linux (w

Re: Debian still generated bad ssh keys

2008-06-01 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Ariel Bar-David wrote: I had the same problem (bad keys generated after dist-upgrade), and I updated my source.list (in a most newbie way, without investigating anything) from: deb http://mirror.isoc.org.il/pub/debian/ etch main non-free contrib deb-src http://mirror.isoc.org.il/pub/debi

X/xorg keyboard question

2008-06-01 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi, I have a small issue for quite a while which I can't find a fix for it, and I would like to ask you if you have any suggestion before I submit it to the xorg people... Anyone who uses any rich text editor in Linux (which has keyboard shortcut), probably had this problem: you're typing text in

Re: Debian still generated bad ssh keys

2008-06-01 Thread Ariel Bar-David
I had the same problem (bad keys generated after dist-upgrade), and I updated my source.list (in a most newbie way, without investigating anything) from: deb http://mirror.isoc.org.il/pub/debian/ etch main non-free contrib deb-src http://mirror.isoc.org.il/pub/debian/ etch main non-free c

Re: [OT] Fragmentation in the community

2008-06-01 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
Maybe fragmentation is a sign of success. - yba On Sun, 1 Jun 2008, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 07:28:19 + From: Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Israel Linux Mailing list Subject: Re: [OT] Fragmentation in the community On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 06:20:55PM +0300, Li

Re: [OT] Fragmentation in the community

2008-06-01 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sat, May 31, 2008, Lior Kaplan wrote about "[OT] Fragmentation in the community": > I've written about why does it seems most of the members of this list > don't read planet.linux.org.il. I never heard of this "planet.linux.org.il" which is a good reason for not reading it ;-) But to get more

Re: [OT] Fragmentation in the community

2008-06-01 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 06:20:55PM +0300, Lior Kaplan wrote: > Hi, > > I've written about why does it seems most of the members of this list > don't read planet.linux.org.il. > > I'd be happy to get answers about this, as I'm trying to make the > community more closely related. > > http://kaplan

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-01 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/1 Doron [Ofek BIZ] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > As I promised to Shachar after the process if someone want to buy the device > - I will help , as far as I can. > In the next few months the Neo Freerunner, a consumer-ready device, should be brought to market. I would be interested in purchasing th

Re: [OT] Fragmentation in the community

2008-06-01 Thread Erez D
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Lior Kaplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I've written about why does it seems most of the members of this list > don't read planet.linux.org.il. > maybe because we never heard of it ??? > > I'd be happy to get answers about this, as I'm trying to make the