On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Eddie Aronovich wrote:
During RMS talk the feeling of love and help to your community was one of
the main issues. Abir is right - stop to hate and start to love.
Is that anything like Make love - not war?
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Thanks,
Uri
http://translation.israel.net
On Tuesday, Jan 21, 2003, at 14:13 Asia/Jerusalem, Gabor Szabo wrote:
Thinking it about a bit more I disagree with the term 'blacklisting'.
I'd prefer the bug reporting notion.
Well, then the Middle-East tech evangelism component in bugzilla is
your friend.
Short URL:
http://snurl.com/mpw
(or
On Tuesday, Jan 21, 2003, at 15:17 Asia/Jerusalem, Boulgakov Andrei
wrote:
Where can I read about those standards?
All your questions answered:
http://www.webstandards.org/learn/
AFAIK, NS4 and NS6 has different DOM (I do not mention about DOM of
other browsers;-), what standards say about
Jerusalem Israel
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Yotam Medini wrote:
Let's establish a 'black list' of Israeli sites not supporting
Linux browsers. A specific category (dark-black) could be for sites
whose main category is about computers.
Let me suggest a candidate:
www.ksp.co.il
-- yotam
. :)
Adir.
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Yotam Medini wrote:
Let's establish a 'black list' of Israeli sites not supporting
Linux browsers. A specific category (dark-black) could be for sites
whose main category is about computers.
Let me suggest a candidate:
www.ksp.co.il
-- yotam
Quoting Shoshannah Forbes, from the post of Wed, 22 Jan:
I'm adore lynx. Am I fit into standards?
If the site is built well, it should degrade gracefully. Lynx is not
100% standard compliant, but standard sites work better with it then
non- standard ones.
I'm not sure how much better
On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Ira Abramov wrote:
Quoting Shoshannah Forbes, from the post of Wed, 22 Jan:
I'm adore lynx. Am I fit into standards?
If the site is built well, it should degrade gracefully. Lynx is not
100% standard compliant, but standard sites work better with it then
non-
CSS is a standart HTML is a standart as well as XML see www.w3c.org
Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Boulgakov Andrei wrote:
Later - rewrite the site based on standards.
Where can I read about those standards?
AFAIK, NS4 and NS6 has
Let's establish a 'black list' of Israeli sites not supporting
Linux browsers. A specific category (dark-black) could be for sites
whose main category is about computers.
Let me suggest a candidate:
www.ksp.co.il
-- yotam
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Let's
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 11:14, Yotam Medini wrote:
1) sending once is enough.
2) who are you ?
3) if you want that kind of list, create it first ! then ask for help
maintaining \ hosting it.
tal.
Let's establish a 'black list' of Israeli sites not supporting
Linux browsers. A specific
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Orr Dunkelman wrote:
I think this should be done very carefully.
I agree with the notes of Orr and would like to add a few more.
For each reported site there should be a short explanation in what way
is it broken and possibly a contact name who reported the problem.
As
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Yotam Medini wrote:
Let's establish a 'black list' of Israeli sites not supporting
Linux browsers. A specific category (dark-black) could be for sites
whose main category is about computers.
Let me suggest a candidate:
www.ksp.co.il
Have a look at
http
Maybe create a whitelist instead?
In each category (news, finance, bank, etc.) label the best site(s) in the
category and the shortcomings (if any) with them. That way, people might
start making decisions based on the list and site owners might start getting
concerned.
This can be done in
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote:
Maybe create a whitelist instead?
In each category (news, finance, bank, etc.) label the best site(s) in the
category and the shortcomings (if any) with them. That way, people might
start making decisions based on the list and site owners might
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Yotam Medini wrote:
Let's establish a 'black list' of Israeli sites not supporting
Linux browsers. A specific category (dark-black) could be for sites
whose main category is about computers.
Let me suggest a candidate:
www.ksp.co.il
Seems to work in Mozila 1.3a
anything and nobody has to
satisfy your OS you're working on (take this in a good spirit :).
Love the problem.. don't hate it.
Just something to think about. :)
Adir.
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Yotam Medini wrote:
Let's establish a 'black list' of Israeli sites not supporting
Linux browsers
Title: RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers
Yap, and let's establish black list of :
- applications, that can not be run in text mode.
- OSs that can not be booted from only diskette
- users, that doesn't know to work with keyboard
- something else?
Somebody run 2.4 with Gnome
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Boulgakov Andrei wrote:
Later - rewrite the site based on standards.
Where can I read about those standards?
http://www.w3.org/
AFAIK, NS4 and NS6 has different DOM (I do not mention about DOM of other
browsers;-), what standards say about it?
NS4 is one of least
Where can I read about those standards?
the Web Standards Project could be a good place --
http://www.webstandards.org/
AFAIK, NS4 and NS6 has different DOM (I do not mention about DOM of
other browsers;-), what standards say about it?
IMO if you're developing a new site you should
Title: RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers
Very interesting. Did you try to enter to w3c with IE, M1.x and NS4x? Tell me about ONE customer, that publish else than My home page, that will pay for such inconsistency of UI.
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From: Alon Altman [mailto
Title: RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers
I'm agree with you. all my question were to bring an opinion as yours ( and as mine); most of complains are: Site doesn't support Linux (it is not correct, anyway. Site can not support browser) are the complains of NS4 users. I never seen
Very interesting. Did you try to enter to w3c with IE, M1.x and NS4x?
Tell me about ONE customer, that publish else than My home page, that
will pay for such inconsistency of UI.
Again -- NS4 is not standards compliant. I went to w3c's site with
IE5.0, Netscape 7 Netscape 4.7. It looks the same
I'm agree with you. all my question were to bring an opinion as yours
( and as mine); most of complains are: Site doesn't support Linux (it
is not correct, anyway. Site can not support browser) are the complains
of NS4 users. I never seen sites using VbScript client-side, bandwith of
today
If a site cannot be reached from non-IE browser it's poorly-built. A
standarts-compliant site should work with any browser. It should even
need to check for the browser's maker.
You mean that a standards-compliant site should NOT check the browser
maker. According to standards, the only
It
should even
need to check for the browser's maker.
You mean that a standards-compliant site should NOT check
the browser maker.
Oops, the 'nt slipped away from the should :-) ofcourse that's what
I was trying to say. Checking for browser maker is problematic -- you
can never be
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And how will that help us to achieve anything, if at all? Black listing
a site will most likely publish it (wait until your list is found in some
newspaper..), and will not help with reducing the problem. The opposite
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote:
If a site cannot be reached from non-IE browser it's poorly-built. A
standarts-compliant site should work with any browser. It should even
need to check for the browser's maker.
You mean that a standards-compliant site should NOT check the browser
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Gabor Szabo wrote:
ps. I have started to overtake a project which is nearly finished.
It is using a lot of javascript and - though I have not tested it yet -
I am nearly sure it won't work in a lot of browsers except IE 6.0
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:03:39 +0200 (IST)
Alon Altman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This can be done in addition to the blacklisting of extremely bad sites
(like those who block non-IE browsers or crash Mozilla).
Sorry, if Mozilla *crashes* it's definitely a Mozilla bug.
So these specific sites
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote:
If a site cannot be reached from non-IE browser it's poorly-built. A
standarts-compliant site should work with any browser. It should even
need to check for the browser's maker.
You mean that a standards-compliant site
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Subject: Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers
And how will that help us to achieve anything, if at all? Black listing
a site will most likely publish it (wait until your list is found in some
newspaper..), and will not help
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:36:41 +0200 (IST)
Adir Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Black listing a site will most likely publish it (wait until your list
is found in some newspaper..), and will not help with reducing the problem.
Someone already suggested a fix for this problem --
A list
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:32:13 +0200 (IST)
Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Standard-compliant site builders may have been able to fully use such an
approach has there been fully-standard-compliant browsers. But the current
browsers still have many little bugs that have to be worked
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