Brian
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Brian C. Hollingsworth" writes:
I must completely agree with Dr. Lisse's contention here given the
research that I personally have done on Mr. Crispin.
Thanks.
However the EU is also finding most recently that Ms. Dysons
judgment is also severally
On Mon, 24 May 1999 00:28:17 +0100, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Willie crawled out from under the rock
and whined:
Amazing how Dr Lisse's position changes along with how the winds are
blowing..
Heel, Willie, Heel!
I was supporting the
Amazing how Dr Lisse's position changes along with how the winds are
blowing..
I was supporting the ORBS system and he accuses me of "Censorship,"
then someone else says it shouldn't be used and he supports it use
Is this under the "I'm just here to have fun" header?
On a side note, I
Christopher,
In message 011001bea562$f1027240$7dc72599@vorlon, "Christopher Ambler" writes:
While I personally agree with the ORBS system and what it is doing,
perhaps implementing it on a mailing list intended for public policy
discussion is not appropriate.
I, for one, can dispense with
While I personally agree with the ORBS system and what it is
doing, perhaps implementing it on a mailing list intended for
public policy discussion is not appropriate.
While most posters could make the appropriate fixes to their
mail servers, I cannot help but wonder about someone who has
no
At 11:27 AM 5/23/99 -0700, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
BTW, my access to present mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is blocked and my mail is being rejected.
Must be that ICANN brand of openness and transparency in action that I've
been hearing so much about. ;-)
or it could be
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Willie crawled out from under the rock and
whined:
Amazing how Dr Lisse's position changes along with how the winds are
blowing..
Heel, Willie, Heel!
I was supporting the ORBS system and he accuses me of "Censorship,"
then someone else says it shouldn't
Patrick and all,
Patrick and Stef, my E-Mail has been blocked from [EMAIL PROTECTED] as
well by the ITU through ww.orbs.org. Yes, I think you may be right, so much
for the openness myth of ICANN They have been unveiled it seems...
Patrick Greenwell wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 1999, Einar
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Crocker wr
ites:
At 08:44 PM 5/23/99 +0400, Gordon Cook wrote:
or as I wrote Esther from Nepal last November: you will crash and burn
Esther because you don't have a clue about the internet. too bad.
she once had a decent reputation..
look
At 08:44 PM 5/23/99 +0400, Gordon Cook wrote:
or as I wrote Esther from Nepal last November: you will crash and burn
Esther because you don't have a clue about the internet. too bad.
she once had a decent reputation..
look who's talking about reputation and clues...
d/
On Fri, 21 May 1999, Einar Stefferud wrote:
Hi Patrick -- That is the bad news.
The good news is that doing so will unmask ICANN for what it is;-)...
True, very true.
BTW, my access to present mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is blocked and my mail is being rejected.
A side-by-side comparison of the three Trademark, Intellectual Property and
Anti-Counterfeiting Constituency Proposals is posted at:
See http://www.domainhandbook.com/dnso-ip.html
This is an independent, impartial, and pro bono effort which should help
clarify the differences among the
At 12:24 AM 5/24/99 -0400, Marsh, Miles (Gene) wrote:
The Internet is, in large measure, the result of the forward thinking,
creative people who have been commenting on the issues. Hear their
What an odd thing to say.
In fact very, very few of the people participating in any of these
With Tom Lowenhaupt, I too am
interested in seeing that the Internet's governance system
represents all those upon which the net has a social or economic impact
but I doubt I will ever 'run' for 'office' -- because I believe the aims
and intentions of Internet governance should be
or as I wrote Esther from Nepal last November: you will crash and burn
Esther because you don't have a clue about the internet. too bad.
she once had a decent reputation..
At 6:29 PM 5/21/99 -0700, Christopher Ambler wrote:
Esther, you're just digging your own hole. Keep
Esther, you operate entirely in secret and only go public when the reslts
of the operation is known ICANN has done one thing and said another
that there is no reason that anyone who has observed this closely should
trust your word.
At 5:18 PM 5/21/99 -0400, Esther Dyson wrote:
For the
Setting aside my personal doubts about the effectiveness of a constituency
structure for the DNSO, I have developed a side-by-side comparison of the
three Non Commercial Domain Name Holder Constituency proposals.
See http://www.domainhandbook.com/ncdhc.html
This is an independent,
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Ellen,
We can realencode and make available on the Web any tape recordings of
Berlin constituency meetings, at least so long as it's announced beforehand
that a meeting is being taped. For it to really work I think you'd want a
microphone that can be passed around to each person who wants to
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Esther
Nigel,
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nigel writes:
Not all EU nationals have identity cards, of course.
Didn't know that. But then they can bring a passport anyway :-)-O.
But certainly those of us who are coming from outside of the
Schengen area will have our passports with us.
el
Diane, Tom and all,
Diane Cabell wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
COMMENT #1 ()
I'd like to see language indicating that individuals should not be
excluded from membership merely because an SO claims to represent them.
Perhaps the "primarily" in Principle 1 was intended to serve
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
COMMENT #1 ()
I'd like to see language indicating that individuals should not be
excluded from membership merely because an SO claims to represent them.
Perhaps the "primarily" in Principle 1 was intended to serve this
purpose, but it remains unclear.
See
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
COMMENT #1 ()
I'd like to see language indicating that individuals should not be
excluded from membership merely because an SO claims to represent them.
Perhaps the "primarily" in Principle 1 was intended to serve this
purpose, but it remains unclear.
See
Ellen,
In message v01540b05b36d2fe60eef@[204.188.254.54], Ellen Rony writes:
How will the constituency meetings in Berlin be run? What form of
record will be kept of any consensus decisions or compromises, and
how they were determined, among competing proposals.
Having participated in the
Whomever this really is and all,
Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Patrick Greenwell writes:
The fact that you are unable or refuse to comprehend what people
write isn't very interesting Kent. It is tiresome, and reminds me
that I should just refrain from any
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Patrick
Greenwell writes:
The fact that you are unable or refuse to comprehend what people
write isn't very interesting Kent. It is tiresome, and reminds me
that I should just refrain from any sort of dialogue with you.
Patrick,
you must see his inability to
How will the constituency meetings in Berlin be run? What form of record
will be
kept of any consensus decisions or compromises, and how they were
determined, among competing proposals.
I think it is very important that these things be detailed in the
constituency meetings--even a tape
Comments on ICANN's proposed
"
May 21, 1999
By Thomas Lowenhaupt
I'm interested in seeing that the Internet's governance system
represents all those upon which the net has a social or
Roeland and all,
Roeland, this is one place that the evidence overwhelmingly thus far
in this process, does not agree with you contention with respect to
Ester Dyson. I was SHOCKED that you stated that she is s
"Streight-Shooter" in that you have been involved in this process
for some time
Marilyn and all,
Cade,Marilyn S - LGA wrote:
Milton, thank you for providing information about the petition regarding
the implementation of the WIPO Final Report. I not agree with this
recommendation. ATT's comments, recommending the acceptance of the Final
Report are posted to the ICANN
I must reiterate that the reason that many of us signed the petition asking
for more time prior to considering the WIPO proposal is not because ofthe
proposal itself. Regardless of the final product, there is simply not
enough time for thoughtful comments to be prepared. Further, the interim
What exactly is the "WIPO recommendations" that the Board is being asked
to adopt: Is it the whole report? Just the annexes? If the latter, it
is hideously unfair, for the reasons set out in my commentary at
http://personal.law.miami.edu/~amf/commentary.htm . If the former, the
tensions
At 01:08 AM 5/24/99 -0700, Karl Auerbach wrote:
At 12:24 AM 5/24/99 -0400, Marsh, Miles (Gene) wrote:
The Internet is, in large measure, the result of the forward thinking,
creative people who have been commenting on the issues. Hear their
In fact very, very few of the people
Someone should let the new ICANN-IANA know that
their statement:
"...a table known as ISO-3166-1, which is
maintained by an agency of the United Nations."
is not accurate. The Organization for International
Standardization (ISO) is a private standards organization.
It does make a
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Karl,
You are, of course, mostly right. There has been input form *some* of
the grey-beards (my beard starting turning grey last year, does that
mean I qualify :-)?) and from many newbies, wanna-be's
Tony,
Is there some limitation to your communication capabilities that prevents
YOU from contacting those folks?
Or, perhaps, were you more interesting in making a public stink than in
getting this minor documentation detail corrected?
It does make a difference.
d/
At 01:03 PM 5/24/99
I must reiterate that the reason that many of us signed the petition asking
for more time prior to considering the WIPO proposal is not because ofthe
proposal itself.
Although, in my case, I'd substitute the following in lieu of the entire
WIPO report:
- Domain names may be used in
At 12:29 PM -0400 5/24/99, Dave Crocker wrote:
So there are a few of us, purportedly experienced, grey-beards out here.
;-)
That's why I said a few, rather than none.
I believe there are far more than you might think, Dave. Many with vast
experience are watching this process, but have not yet
They do not have any experience in the Internet's style of decision making
and they do not suffer from the delays they are causing.
The "Internet's style of decision making", assuming that means the warm
image of love, peace, and good vibes as exemplified by the IETF ...
That style is no
Roeland and all,
Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
I said that I considered her a straight-shooter, not that I agreed with
her course of action. She is certainly not mired in the Machiavellian
plots that are constantly theorized here.
There are many behind the scenes meetings and phone
Yes, we have been listening. We have been listening and thinking so hard we
haven't always had time to respond. But you should see some reasoning as
well as some results over the next few days.
Esther Dyson
At 12:24 AM 24/05/99 -0400, Marsh, Miles (Gene) wrote:
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Karl and all,
Well said Karl, and to a great degree I agree. I would add that however,
as we ARE really talking about governance, we collectively must
decide as stakeholders determing what FORM of government we must have.
This is something that the ICANN Interim Board seems to believe that it
At 4:36 PM -0400 5/24/99, Esther Dyson wrote:
Yes, we have been listening. We have been listening and thinking so hard we
haven't always had time to respond. But you should see some reasoning as
well as some results over the next few days.
Esther Dyson
Esther, while you have posted on several
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On Monday, May 24, 1999 4:13PM, Karl Auerbach wrote:
The IETF has had many major debates, red faces, sweat pouring
out, people
shouting, people screeming. I know, I was there doing some of the
At 01:13 PM 5/24/99 -0700, Karl Auerbach wrote:
The "Internet's style of decision making", assuming that means the warm
image of love, peace, and good vibes as exemplified by the IETF ...
That style is no more reality than Disneyland's "Main Street" reflects
real life in late 19th century
And that's exactly the problem. We had an excellent, working model for a
process
There's the old line, One should not inquire too deeply into the making of
either sausage or legislation.
Whatever process evolves to govern the internet will be complicated and
full of votes and review
Esther and all,
And who's reasoning might this be Esther? The stakeholders or
the ICANN Interim Boards? If it is the latter, than you have betrayed
yourself and disenfranchised everyone else in doing so. That will be
your epitaph and what you will long be remembered for. If it is the
Karl and all,
Karl Auerbach wrote:
And that's exactly the problem. We had an excellent, working model for a
process
There's the old line, One should not inquire too deeply into the making of
either sausage or legislation.
My Karl, you are in great form today I must say! ;) Good
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In my community, we just had a school board election with 24 candidates
running for 9 seats.
You were lucky. In Denison, Tx (my home town), we rarely have contested
races. No one wants to get so personal as to challenge an incumbent for
"his" seat.
And it was
Karl wrote,
- Domain names may be used in any way, or not used at all, at the
pleasure of the domain name holder, except that a domain name may
not be actually used to infringe upon the rights of others in their
names or marks.
- Such infringement occurs
At 01:13 PM 5/24/99 -0700, you wrote:
They do not have any experience in the Internet's style of decision making
and they do not suffer from the delays they are causing.
The "Internet's style of decision making", assuming that means the warm
image of love, peace, and good vibes as
At 04:26 PM 5/24/99 -0700, Karl Auerbach wrote:
Even the IETF has evolved away from those halcyon days ... In the old
Evolution of a working system is one thing. That's what we did with the
IETF. That's what some of us tried to do with IANA. That is not, however,
what is happening here.
- Domain names may be used in any way, or not used at all, at the
pleasure of the domain name holder, except that a domain name may
not be actually used to infringe upon the rights of others in their
names or marks.
- Such infringement occurs when the use of the
Hello!
surely legal action and opinion works very differently in many cultures
and countries.
In the consultation on WIPO RFC-3 in Mexico at least one clar legal
opinion did distinguishbetweeen the holding of a domain name and its use.
According to this lawyer the onlymoment when you sep
At 05:44 AM 5/25/99 +0200, you wrote:
great sad truth.
thank you for saying it.
you certainly know that cerebalaw.com can not be viewed ?
No, I did not, and I just confirmed it. Could you tell me
when you first noted that? I'll call my ISP in the morning,
and send them an email right now. And
In the consultation on WIPO RFC-3 in Mexico at least one clar legal
opinion did distinguishbetweeen the holding of a domain name and its use.
According to this lawyer the onlymoment when you sep into intellectual or
industrial property infringement is when you use the domain name for
Kerry and all,
Kerry Miller wrote:
Karl wrote,
- Domain names may be used in any way, or not used at all, at the
pleasure of the domain name holder, except that a domain name may
not be actually used to infringe upon the rights of others in their
names or
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