Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-24 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Mr. Walsh and Everyone, It is evident to me, and I suspect most reasonable people, that if a criticism is levied that is a reasonable, that it would be best to address it directly so as to correct the problem concerned. William X. Walsh wrote: > Sunday, August 22, 1999, 3:50:48 AM, Planet Com

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-24 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Mr. Walsh and Everyone, I had no problem with finding them give a little time and effort. William X. Walsh wrote: > Saturday, August 21, 1999, 8:13:14 PM, Jeff Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > William and all, > > > William X. Walsh wrote: > > >> Saturday, August 21, 1999, 7:47:32 PM

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-24 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Mr. Walsh and Everyone, How many times do you need to see the same emails, Mr. Walsh? William X. Walsh wrote: > Saturday, August 21, 1999, 7:47:32 PM, Jeff Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > William and all, > > > I am afraid I don't agree with William's evaluation of the Berkman > >

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-23 Thread Jeff Williams
William and all, William X. Walsh wrote: > Monday, August 23, 1999, 4:43:57 AM, Planet Communications Computing Facility ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The existence or non existence of a provision and it's application is > > not relevant here. What is at issue is the right to incorporate p

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-23 Thread Jeff Williams
JeffM and all, Completely agreed. In fact NOW is really a bit late in the game, as ICANN in it's "Accreditation Policy" is already in violation of the Privacy Act, and the 1996 Telecommunication's act, it may also be in violation of the Credit Protection act, as well as the Sherman act... Pla

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-23 Thread Jeff Williams
William and all, William, I am sure that repeating the same thing over and over again does get boring. And doing so also doesn't make it true either. You have yet to state difinitively or site any particular creditable evidence for your stance here... William X. Walsh wrote: > Monday, Augus

Re: Re[4]: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-23 Thread Planet Communications Computing Facility
Oh no noe william, that incorrect, what I am saying is that ICANN is a near government organization (NGO) and should have simular privacy regulations in place - if not - it stands to be subject to further criticism. On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, William X. Walsh wrote: > Monday, August 23, 1999, 4:43:57

Re[4]: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-23 Thread William X. Walsh
Monday, August 23, 1999, 4:43:57 AM, Planet Communications Computing Facility <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The existence or non existence of a provision and it's application is > not relevant here. What is at issue is the right to incorporate privacy > law into icann at an oportune time - NOW.

Re: Re[2]: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-23 Thread Planet Communications Computing Facility
The existence or non existence of a provision and it's application is not relevant here. What is at issue is the right to incorporate privacy law into icann at an oportune time - NOW. On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, William X. Walsh wrote: > Monday, August 23, 1999, 4:35:49 AM, Planet Communications Comp

Re[2]: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-23 Thread William X. Walsh
Monday, August 23, 1999, 4:35:49 AM, Planet Communications Computing Facility <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If ICANN wants to play - it needs the same privacy controls as exsist in > the us government. As was already pointed out numerous times, there is amble evidence that no applicable provisio

RE: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-23 Thread Planet Communications Computing Facility
If ICANN wants to play - it needs the same privacy controls as exsist in the us government. Regards Jeff Mason -- Planet Communication & Computing Facility [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Access Internet Research Publisher 1 (212) 894-3704 ext. 1033 On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 [EMAIL PROTE

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-23 Thread Jeff Williams
Roberto and all, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Jeff Mason wrote: > > > > On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Ben Edelman wrote: > > > > > I must say, I think these fields are exceptionally > > reasonable -- each > > > justified for a legitimate logistical reason, with privacy > > policies clearly > > > stated on

RE: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-23 Thread R . Gaetano
Jeff Mason wrote: > > On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Ben Edelman wrote: > > > I must say, I think these fields are exceptionally > reasonable -- each > > justified for a legitimate logistical reason, with privacy > policies clearly > > stated on the sign-in form itself. Nonetheless, if there are > > co

[IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread Jeff Williams
Eileen and all, I agree with you Eileen, the ICANN is most likely not gathering personal information for nefarious purposes or commercial ones. That however is not really relevant under the law. eileen kent wrote: > I think Edelman's logic holds up just fine. I also think that there are no

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread Jeff Williams
Jeff and all, Planet Communications Computing Facility wrote: > On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Ben Edelman wrote: > > > I must say, I think these fields are exceptionally reasonable -- each > > justified for a legitimate logistical reason, with privacy policies clearly > > stated on the sign-in form itsel

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread Planet Communications Computing Facility
On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Ben Edelman wrote: > I must say, I think these fields are exceptionally reasonable -- each > justified for a legitimate logistical reason, with privacy policies clearly > stated on the sign-in form itself. Nonetheless, if there are > counterarguments re why the above should

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread Ben Edelman
Planet Communications Computing Facility <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Privacy is a very important issue - on the net, to the consumer, and to > government organizations in the free world. I certainly wouldn't disagree! But I think some clarification is in order; perhaps you overestimate the "in

Re[2]: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread William X. Walsh
Saturday, August 21, 1999, 8:53:33 PM, Jeff Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > William and all, > To lazy to do your homework, eh? That sounds familiar coming form you > william... What a shame! > Now, Who is the fraud? > To wit, a blast, again from the past... > === Copy

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread Jeff Williams
Jeff and all, Agreed! It should be noted that it doesn't seem that the ICANN (Initial?) Interim Board is very concerned about privacy issues, given the terms of their "Accreditation Policy" and the interesting post from Ben Edelman you properly provided regarding the methods that the Berkman C

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread Jeff Williams
Jeff and all, ROFLMAO! Touché! Planet Communications Computing Facility wrote: > On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, William X. Walsh wrote: > > > What I understand is when I see a criticism being made for the sake of > > having one more thing to criticize, rather than focusing on the > > substance of the

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread Jeff Williams
William and all, To lazy to do your homework, eh? That sounds familiar coming form you william... What a shame! Now, Who is the fraud? To wit, a blast, again from the past... === Copy of WIlliam's past employer == Subject: Is this really true about William Walsch

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread Planet Communications Computing Facility
On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Jeff Williams wrote: > Again, I am afraid I can't agree with William on this point either. > It seems to me that Jeff M., focused nicely on the substance > of the issue quite well... That being, of course, one of Privacy issues > and Ben's remarks in the link that Jeff M.

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread Jeff Williams
Jeff, William and all, Again, I am afraid I can't agree with William on this point either. It seems to me that Jeff M., focused nicely on the substance of the issue quite well... That being, of course, one of Privacy issues and Ben's remarks in the link that Jeff M. provided. It is also now w

Re: Re[4]: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread Planet Communications Computing Facility
On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, William X. Walsh wrote: > What I understand is when I see a criticism being made for the sake of > having one more thing to criticize, rather than focusing on the > substance of the issues. Of course, we understand. Regards Jeff Mason -- Planet Communication & Computing F

Re[2]: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread William X. Walsh
Saturday, August 21, 1999, 8:13:14 PM, Jeff Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > William and all, > William X. Walsh wrote: >> Saturday, August 21, 1999, 7:47:32 PM, Jeff Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > William and all, >> >> > I am afraid I don't agree with William's evaluation

Re[4]: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread William X. Walsh
Sunday, August 22, 1999, 3:50:48 AM, Planet Communications Computing Facility <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, William X. Walsh wrote: >> > I think your way ahead of us here been. Were not there yet - i.e. >> > protest. As I have said before we have no protest at this time.

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread Jeff Williams
Jeff and all, No, William doesn't understand anything about privacy, NGO's or the implications as he believes he has the right to have any and all information on anyone that he pleases. And when he doesn't get what he wants he manufactures it... Planet Communications Computing Facility wrote:

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread Jeff Williams
William and all, William X. Walsh wrote: > Saturday, August 21, 1999, 7:47:32 PM, Jeff Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > William and all, > > > I am afraid I don't agree with William's evaluation of the Berkman > > Centers performance Why? Well it is a documented FACT > > that th

Re: Re[2]: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread Planet Communications Computing Facility
On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, William X. Walsh wrote: > > I think your way ahead of us here been. Were not there yet - i.e. > > protest. As I have said before we have no protest at this time. Were > > just gathering opinion, and thank you for your support of the policy > > stated. > > My response was

Re[2]: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread William X. Walsh
Saturday, August 21, 1999, 7:47:32 PM, Jeff Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > William and all, > I am afraid I don't agree with William's evaluation of the Berkman > Centers performance Why? Well it is a documented FACT > that the Berkman Center has had several opportunities for CNN,

Re[2]: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread William X. Walsh
Sunday, August 22, 1999, 3:24:50 AM, Planet Communications Computing Facility <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, William X. Walsh wrote: >> > http://www.pccf.net/correspondence/icann/19990819-edelman-icann.html >> We must be careful not to criticize, or imply criticism solely f

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread Jeff Williams
William and all,   I am afraid I don't agree with William's evaluation of the Berkman Centers performance  Why?  Well it is a documented FACT that the Berkman Center has had several opportunities for CNN, TBA/TNT and others, which have offered coverage and INternet IP Video conferencing for t

Re: [IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread Planet Communications Computing Facility
On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, William X. Walsh wrote: > > http://www.pccf.net/correspondence/icann/19990819-edelman-icann.html > We must be careful not to criticize, or imply criticism solely for the > purpose of criticizing, or finding every little detail to criticize, > and instead ask ourselves if a

[IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] icann.edleman.19990819 / Access to ICANN Santiago real video feed (fwd)

1999-08-22 Thread William X. Walsh
Sunday, August 22, 1999, 3:04:17 AM, Planet Communications Computing Facility <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello: > The information posted here respects ICANN policies on real video > transmissions. Were inviting individuals to contact us privately if they > should have any concerns respecting