> Words Of Onno Hovers:
>
> > The IFWP list is full of professional nay-sayers, bitchers and
> > fruitcakes. First the ICANN was attacked for being elitist,
> > non-democratic and not transparant.
> > And now the same people are attacking the ICANN for not being
> > elitist enough. I cannot unde
And in typically ICANN like cowardly fashion those who designed the
travesity that you critique so well refuse to stand up and say it is I who
did this and here is why. One can guess it is R oberts or Sims. Too bad
they so far lack the guts to say so and to answer your critique. Their
silence c
Mr. Cook:
Although you've asked Dan Steinberg for comment, please accept mine as well.
Diane Cabell
MAC
Mr. Cook quotes Michael Sondow:
> >{...}
> >This said, we offer a brief critique of the MAC's recommendations as
> >expressed in the Summary of the MAC Conference Call
> >(http://www.icann.o
Ok, Gordon I'm here.
But I'm not sure what you want from me.
I can tell you that Roberts and Sims had absolutely *nothing* to do
with the MAC recommendations.
Neither of them were present for any telecons I attended.
I can tell you that I was insulted by the tone of Sondow's remarks
(something I
I got the impression from Michaels remarks that the quoted material was
what ICANN had adopted. While he is well capable of speaking for himself,
i took his remarks as a decent analysis of how ICANN could misuse this
structure. I have seen nothing in ICANN's behavior that leads me to
believe th
I support most of the MAC recommedations, Mr. Cook. Not all of them, but most of
them. I want the At-large Membership to be a large, open, democratic body; not a
selective, wealthy group. I want any Internet user to be eligible to serve on the
Board of ICANN, not just the people hand-picked by
Diane, most people call me Gordon.
Your desires as expressed below are noble enough. But, you also appear
willing to extend Mike roberts, joe sims and the board a lot more trust
than, in my opinion, they merit. With no transparency and no
accountability within ICANN, the board is being handed a
At 07:06 PM 4/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Your desires as expressed below are noble enough. But, you also appear
>willing to extend Mike roberts, joe sims and the board a lot more trust
>than, in my opinion, they merit. With no transparency and no
>accountability within ICANN, the board is being ha
Dan Steinberg a écrit:
> I can tell you that I was insulted by the tone of Sondow's remarks
> (something I am getting used to).
No, I don't believe you were insulted. Angry, yes. Insulted, no.
Your reaction appears to have been the common one of someone who has
done what they know to be wrong an
Diane Cabell a écrit:
>
> I support most of the MAC recommedations, Mr. Cook. Not all of
> them, but most of them. I want the At-large Membership to be a large, > open,
>democratic body; not a selective, wealthy group. I want any > Internet user to be
>eligible to serve on the
> Board of IC
Diane and all,
The only problem with your concerns is that the ICANN is already
operating at a deficit. The ICANN INterim Board assured this
in Singapore...
Diane Cabell wrote:
> I support most of the MAC recommedations, Mr. Cook. Not all of them, but most of
> them. I want the At-large Me
Thank you Michael for your frank comments.
As a member of MAC, I would like to respond to a single point now, that is why
we plan to make membership fee 'free' - or 'zero', since I am one of these
who strongly suggested that - despite some strong counter arguments among
my colleagues.
As Diane a
Diane Cabell wrote:
>I support most of the MAC recommedations, Mr. Cook. Not all of them, but
>most of
>them. I want the At-large Membership to be a large, open, democratic
>body; not a
>selective, wealthy group. I want any Internet user to be eligible to
>serve on the
>Board of ICANN, not just
At 05:08 AM 4/11/99 , Ellen Rony wrote:
>IMHO, a membership that is all-inclusive moves ICANN closer to center stage
>as a governance body -- a thought which makes me shudder. While we know
>that ICANN was established *solely* as an administrative body for the DNS,
>I can imagine that a universal
Let me first say that I don't speak for the entire MAC committee; I can only
expose my own reasoning.
Our study revealed many equally legitimate, but often conflicting needs. In
choosing between them, I sometimes opted for short-term benefits over
long-term. Depending on the issue, it might be
>Our study revealed many equally legitimate, but often conflicting needs. In
>choosing between them, I sometimes opted for short-term benefits over
>long-term.
I aleays take the opposite view. Long after the short term pain
has worn off you get to live for a long time with something
that's right
Richard J. Sexton a écrit:
> I aleays take the opposite view. Long after the short term pain
> has worn off you get to live for a long time with something
> that's right.
Thanks, Richard. A sound bit of philosophy. It's usually best to go
to the dentist and have the bad tooth out. But some peopl
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote:
>> I support most of the MAC recommedations, Mr. Cook. Not all of them,
>>but most of
>> them. I want the At-large Membership to be a large, open, democratic
>>body; not a
>> selective, wealthy group. I want any Internet user to be eligible to
>>serve
I just took a look at onno's home page. I see i just flamed the sascha
ignatovic of holland... unfortunate waste of everyones time apologies
extended.
The COOK Report on Internet | New handbook just published:IP Insur
At 01:38 AM 4/12/99 -0400, you wrote:
Translate, please, or put in onno's URL -- I don't have it -- so we can
glean out what your meaning is here. :-)
Bill Lovell
>I just took a look at onno's home page. I see i just flamed the sascha
>ignatovic of holland... unfortunate waste of everyones
drop his name into a meta search engine and look at what comes out.
on the mac with OS8.5 this meta search engine is called sherlock and comes
with the OS. I didn't save the url... basically he's a geek at a dutch
university.
>At 01:38 AM 4/12/99 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Translate, please, or pu
On Mon, Apr 12, 1999 at 01:33:49AM -0400, Gordon Cook wrote:
> >
> >The IFWP list is full of professional nay-sayers, bitchers and
> >fruitcakes. First the ICANN was attacked for being elitist,
> >non-democratic and not transparant.
>
> AhBUT *YOU* Onno see fit to propagate Ascencios lies abo
I thought that copy looked familiar.
D Schutt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kent
Crispin
Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 11:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IFWP] COMMENTS ON M.A.C. RECOMMENDATIONS of MARCH 18
On Mon, Apr 12
Kent and all,
Kent Crispin wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 12, 1999 at 01:33:49AM -0400, Gordon Cook wrote:
> > >
> > >The IFWP list is full of professional nay-sayers, bitchers and
> > >fruitcakes. First the ICANN was attacked for being elitist,
> > >non-democratic and not transparant.
> >
> > AhBUT *
Words Of Onno Hovers:
> The IFWP list is full of professional nay-sayers, bitchers and
> fruitcakes. First the ICANN was attacked for being elitist,
> non-democratic and not transparant.
> And now the same people are attacking the ICANN for not being
> elitist enough. I cannot understand what is
On Sun, Apr 11, 1999 at 01:27:00PM -0400, Jay Fenello wrote:
>
> ICANN has *always* been about Internet Governance.
No, Jay. ICANN has *never* been about Internet Governance. There is
no source of authority that could give it such powers.
> Even while the White Paper and Ira Magaziner were
>
Izumi Aizu-
Thank you for your frank response to my posting yesterday on the MAC
recommendations. After reading it, and because of your obvious
forthrightness and sincerity, I have no doubt that you, at least,
have none but the best motivations behind the decisions of the
committee that you supp
>
>Richard Sexton, in a posting yesterday to the IFWP list, asked very
>simply why there was such a fuss, since the dues could be defined
>as, say, five times the price of a coca cola in the country of
>residence of the applicant. Do you think that a person unwilling to
>invest that modest sum, ev
As Michael Sondow spake:
> Izumi Aizu-
>
> Thank you for your frank response to my posting yesterday on the MAC
> recommendations. After reading it, and because of your obvious
> forthrightness and sincerity, I have no doubt that you, at least,
> have none but the best motivations behind the dec
At 05:56 PM 4/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
[Big snips all around]
>So do I. However, even the most wealthy would not part with that princely
>sum without a reason to do so.
>I see that you are taking things to heart.
>
>> No definition of who are members and who are not? No exchange of
>> dues for
At 06:19 PM 4/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
>At 05:56 PM 4/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>[Big snips all around]
>
>>So do I. However, even the most wealthy would not part with that princely
>>sum without a reason to do so.
>
>>I see that you are taking things to heart.
>>
>>> No definition of who are memb
At 10:23 PM 4/11/99 -0400, you wrote:
>At 06:19 PM 4/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>At 05:56 PM 4/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>Some time in the distant past I spoke of a buck or so per web site to ICANN.
>
>A tax on websites is insane. A membership fee is rational.
>
"What's in a name? That which w
At 11:08 PM 4/11/99 , Bill Lovell wrote:
>>>Some time in the distant past I spoke of a buck or so per web site to ICANN.
>>
>>A tax on websites is insane. A membership fee is rational.
>>
>"What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other word
>would smell as sweet." Shakespeare, Romeo an
At 12:30 AM 4/12/99 -0400, you wrote:
>At 11:08 PM 4/11/99 , Bill Lovell wrote:
Some time in the distant past I spoke of a buck or so per web site to
ICANN.
>>>
>>>A tax on websites is insane. A membership fee is rational.
>>>
>>"What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other word
>
> >> No definition of who are members and who are not? No exchange of
> >> dues for a certificate, even if only a card, giving me the rights of
> >> a member? No defined process for electing representatives of the
> >> membership to the organization's management? No, my friend. I don't
> >> play t
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