When it comes to Flash, I think we make a mistake in thinking of it as a
web format. It isn't. It's an animation format, which can be used in all
kinds of ways -- freestanding applications, kiosks, mobile phones and
yes, web pages.
So, is the site using Flash for things like navigation, which are
On 2/6/07, Jermayn Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Well, that's nice. So, I'm curious -- the site has both a photo (jpeg)
> of the hotel exterior and a (Flash-embedded) image of one of the rooms,
> so what's the problem?
So one flash embedded image and a photo of the hotel exterior is
Well, that's nice. So, I'm curious -- the site has both a photo (jpeg)
of the hotel exterior and a (Flash-embedded) image of one of the rooms,
so what's the problem?
So one flash embedded image and a photo of the hotel exterior is going to
give you a good feel about what the hotel is all ab
Jermayn Parker wrote:
> If your in the hotel business and advertising for a brand new hotel, you
> need to sell your business and entice people away from their current
> 'fav' hotels to yours. Do you think not having any photos and just a
> nice flashy home page will do that? I know for a FACT tha
Ok I guess your having a dig at me but I will humour you
If your in the hotel business and advertising for a brand new hotel, you
need to sell your business and entice people away from their current 'fav'
hotels to yours. Do you think not having any photos and just a nice flashy
home page will do
Jermayn Parker wrote:
> Photos of what the rooms look like would be one obvious example of what
> would make this website a bit more credible.
Wow. Lack of room photos equates to:
> a useless uninformative site and apart from the home page it is
> ugly and bare as naked bones.
:: not to mention
Photos of what the rooms look like would be one obvious example of what
would make this website a bit more credible.
On 2/6/07, Hassan Schroeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jermayn Parker wrote:
> Your explanation makes sense but as a designer who also dabbles in seo,
> would not it be your r
Jermayn Parker wrote:
> Your explanation makes sense but as a designer who also dabbles in seo,
> would not it be your right to 'suggest' and sell the importance of
> descent content?? The internet is a place were you find useful or
> useless information. It is not primely a gallery of art like thi
Your explanation makes sense but as a designer who also dabbles in seo,
would not it be your right to 'suggest' and sell the importance of descent
content?? The internet is a place were you find useful or useless
information. It is not primely a gallery of art like this website.
also you look at
Jermayn Parker wrote:
It is not that good...
Yes it may load quick but it is a useless uninformative site and apart
from the home page it is ugly and bare as naked bones.
Lets hope that the designer does not win any awards
That's all down to inevitable site content though. The designer has d
It is not that good...
Yes it may load quick but it is a useless uninformative site and apart from
the home page it is ugly and bare as naked bones.
Lets hope that the designer does not win any awards
On 2/3/07, Matthew Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> A great example of Faust in practi
A great example of Faust in practice:
http://www.ivyhotel.com/
Bravo! I took a quick (and only quick) look in Lynx and got a
meaningful site. I think that this could be a first. And also a last,
as this example neatly takes away any excuse for a primarily Flash-based
site to be inaccessi
On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 17:01 -0500, Christian Montoya wrote:
> On 2/2/07, Mark Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > miden wrote:
> > > Interesting letter on "The Register" WRT accessiblity:
> > >
> > > "...it's very hard to see why the tiny amount of forethought website
> > > authors could show tow
Christian Montoya wrote:
On 2/2/07, Mark Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
miden wrote:
> Interesting letter on "The Register" WRT accessiblity:
>
> "...it's very hard to see why the tiny amount of forethought website
> authors could show toward accessibility in the very beginning is so
> terrib
On 3/02/2007, at 10:28 AM, Mark Harris wrote:
[accessibility should be] a factor that influences your design
choices from the beginning
Absolutely. Design is, after all, about creating functional purpose
not merely aesthetic pleasure.
kind regards
Terrence Wood.
**
On 2/2/07, Mark Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
miden wrote:
> Interesting letter on "The Register" WRT accessiblity:
>
> "...it's very hard to see why the tiny amount of forethought website
> authors could show toward accessibility in the very beginning is so
> terribly absent."
>
> http://www
miden wrote:
Interesting letter on "The Register" WRT accessiblity:
"...it's very hard to see why the tiny amount of forethought website
authors could show toward accessibility in the very beginning is so
terribly absent."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/02/letters_0202/
And that's real
On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 16:37 +, Rob O'Rourke wrote:
> True, I'm starting to realise that more and more now as the works piling
> up =$
> Still, at least the world of corporate merchandise e-commerce is a
> little more accessible now =]
>
>
Interesting letter on "The Register" WRT accessibl
Sunday John wrote:
Yea, I agree with your comment. Contents that is available through xml for
flash improves performance. Also given the user a choice to switch to
version of site is good idea to meet end users viewing experience.
Like I said, all still boils down to the project goal, target aud
client.
Sunday John
Web Developer
www.isslng.com
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On Behalf Of Rob O'Rourke
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 3:08 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
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Sunday
Now that's what I'm talking about. When everything is available as raw
XML and you've got XSLT, you're in flexible heaven.
Rob O'Rourke wrote:
Not necessarily, check out what Dan Cederholm wrote about his work on
MTV.com [1], they have a fully flash site that runs from a server-side
generated
Sunday John wrote:
Funny enough, website development depends on your site goal, target audience
and client's want. If your site demands that you use a flash (if it's a
major communication) then you have to use flash.
Sunday John
Web Developer
www.isslng.com
Not necessarily, check out w
Milosz, those sites are incredibly flash-intensive. Without flash, they
fail. With flash and a slow connection (or even processor), they run
badly. I'm afraid any objective source would give those low marks for
accessibility.
But they are entirely based on style - there is no real substance in
m: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Barney Carroll
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:08 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)
Matthew Smith wrote:
> tolerate screen motion? (A bit off-topic, I know, but I believe that
&g
Matthew Smith wrote:
tolerate screen motion? (A bit off-topic, I know, but I believe that
accessibility/standards doesn't stop at the content, but extends to
software and OS.)
Not liking fancy animations does not make you an accessibility advocate.
Apparently everyone hates flash, but for
On 2/1/07, Noah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Interesting how people today still either get Picasso or they don't. Says a
lot about the timelessness of the work...
Well, list-admin said we have to get back on topic, so I'm still
wondering if Milosz will share his definition of "accessible."
Othe
Interesting how people today still either get Picasso or they
don't. Says a lot about the timelessness of the work...
Noah
PerthWebDesigns.com
Quoting Jermayn Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
some of it makes sense (like self portraits etc) but a lot of his
sculptures and other stuf
some of it makes sense (like self portraits etc) but a lot of his sculptures
and other stuff doesnt, it went agaisnt the grain of normal painting etc of his
era
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/02/2007 10:14:18 am >>>
On 2/1/07, Jermayn Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You look at people like Piac
Picasso's art did make sense, that is why he is famous now. Simple
lines.
If Picasso were making webpages they would all be accessible.
This comparison of genius with self indulgent art for arts sake is
annoying.
Tim
On 02/02/2007, at 1:05 PM, Jermayn Parker wrote:
You look at people like
On 2/1/07, Jermayn Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You look at people like Piacoso and his art made no sense and it was popular
and so are these types of website, make no sense but are popular (myspace
another example)
I have no idea what you are talking about. Picasso's art makes total
sen
You look at people like Piacoso and his art made no sense and it was popular
and so are these types of website, make no sense but are popular (myspace
another example)
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/02/2007 9:56:49 am >>>
Why would you want to create such an image gallery for navigation, no
rollove
Why would you want to create such an image gallery for navigation, no
rollover titles, no idea where each link goes, uses a lot of images for
a text based navigation system, maybe it is art but not much else.
Tim
On 02/02/2007, at 6:00 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Christian Montoya
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From: jonnysoco
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)
http://jrgraphix.net/research/flash_dock.php
Awesome! Thank you.
Jeff
Oh yes. You can choose to have the icons bigger or smaller, and the
animation on or off. And the animation relates to the size of the icons -
smaller icons = smaller animation.
You can also have them not visible at all until you put your cursor right at
the bottom of the screen (or wherever the do
Matthew Smith wrote:
> Ah, that's what a Mac dock looks like; haven't seen a Mac for about
> eight years. Eeeew! The animation nearly made me seasick ;-) Do Macs
> have a means of turning the animation off for those (like me) who cannot
> tolerate screen motion?
Yes. And you can adjust the d
Quoth jonnysoco at 02/02/07 09:41...
http://jrgraphix.net/research/flash_dock.php
Ah, that's what a Mac dock looks like; haven't seen a Mac for about
eight years. Eeeew! The animation nearly made me seasick ;-) Do Macs
have a means of turning the animation off for those (like me) who cann
http://jrgraphix.net/research/flash_dock.php
On 2/1/07, Susie Gardner-Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 2/2/07 5:00 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
> At the bottom of this site: http://www.mandchou.com/ - there is an image
> gallery in Flash used for navigation.
On 2/2/07 5:00 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
> At the bottom of this site: http://www.mandchou.com/ - there is an image
> gallery in Flash used for navigation. Can someone point me to a tutorial for
> creating this?
>
> --
> Thanks!
>
> Jeff
No idea but you might tr
Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer wrote:
Christian in your opinion - those sites are inaccessible... without
any argues I cannot agree so that's why I've asked...
I define 'accessible' as "be given access". In normal terms that means
that if one access-point is closed to particular visito
On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Rob O'Rourke wrote:
Accessibility is making a site available and usable to the widest
possible audience, on as many user agents as possible. A lot of the
sites you've picked are pure flash, while these can be made
somewhat accessible (e.g. making the text sel
Milosz - Your site's opening page took almost three minutes to load on a
dialup connection... b'bye.
I gave up trying to view sites after three successive 'you need flash'
notices... b'bye.
Judging by what I (finally) saw on your opening page I would guess that
the listed pages are quite beautifu
Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer wrote:
Christian in your opinion - those sites are inaccessible... without
any argues
I cannot agree so that's why I've asked...
Accessibility is making a site available and usable to the widest
possible audience, on as many user agents as possible. A
eu - Be my Guest!
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From: "Christian Montoya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility -
On 2/1/07, Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
How do you define "accessible" ?
pure text ?
Not fair. You picked these sites, so you have to define your criteria.
The ball is in your court to answer that question.
--
--
Christian Montoya
christianmontoya.net .. d
Christian Montoya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2/1/07, Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'd like to present you the list of best100 e-motional designs,
> > we're waiting for your opinions about our idea and choice ;)
> >
> > http://www.e-motionaldesig
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To:
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)
Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer wrote:
I'd like to present you the list of best100 e-motional designs,
we're waiting for your opinions about our idea and
nal Design Expert
www.e-motionaldesign.com
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From: "Christian Montoya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)
On 2/1/07, Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer <[EMAIL
Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer wrote:
I'd like to present you the list of best100 e-motional designs,
we're waiting for your opinions about our idea and choice ;)
http://www.e-motionaldesign.com/blog/100-the-best-e-motional-websites-part-1-of-4/
Best Wishes
Milosz A. Lodowski
Art Di
On 2/1/07, Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'd like to present you the list of best100 e-motional designs,
we're waiting for your opinions about our idea and choice ;)
http://www.e-motionaldesign.com/blog/100-the-best-e-motional-websites-part-1-of-4/
So, a bu
I'd like to present you the list of best100 e-motional designs,
we're waiting for your opinions about our idea and choice ;)
http://www.e-motionaldesign.com/blog/100-the-best-e-motional-websites-part-1-of-4/
Best Wishes
Milosz A. Lodowski
Art Director IceAge Design Squadron
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