[LUTE] Re: More Karamazov

2008-01-25 Thread alexandros tzimeros
Wow! All this wind is caused by his playing? I most like that point at the end, where he is trying to eat his lute. -Original Message- From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 3:17 AM To: Lutelist Subject: [LUTE] More Karamazov http://www.youtube.

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Rank Amateur Recording # 2

2008-01-25 Thread Stephen Arndt
Stuart, Thanks for your response. "I used to have a Baroque lute, but this period, apart from a very few pieces, was beyond me." I find the baroque lute a real handful, too. For some reason that I really don't understand, 11-course French baroque pieces are much more difficult for me than 10-co

[LUTE] Happy Robbie Burns Day!

2008-01-25 Thread Rebecca Banks
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[LUTE] Re: Karamazov...

2008-01-25 Thread wikla
Dear Donatella and the List, yeah! Just as you describe! And perhaps also some green (Marsian?) stuff pouring underneath, trying to eat K's lute. And K. is fighting back by the disharmonies of the piece. And at the end winning the Alien stuff by the unexpected minor third at the final... [green

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Rank Amateur Recording # 2

2008-01-25 Thread Rob
MUCH better, Stephen. I've added a little reverb to it: http://www.rmguitar.info/mp3s/StephenArndtGaultier.mp3 which I think helps smooth things out a little bit. There is no need to speed it up if the articulation is correct. French courantes are possibly the most rhythmically complex thing on Pla

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov...

2008-01-25 Thread Gernot Hilger
Phew. What a discussion. I was away for a few days and just finished digging through my inbox. Forlorn hope has been my favourite for decades and is still in my top ten not necessarily only among lute music. What a piece! In my humble opinion, Edin's interpretation is as well interesting

[LUTE] Re: "Forlorne Hope" (was Karamazov)

2008-01-25 Thread David Tayler
It's tantalizing to theorize about the PDT (potentially detachable tail) style of countersubject in connexion with Forlorn Hope, as the countersubject breaks off and leads the toccata like charge. I find this almost persuasive given what we know about Dowland's sophisticated hexachord manipulati

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov

2008-01-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
Dear Roman, Perhaps we should consider what John Dowland thought about people re-writing his music. He made his view very clear in the introduction to his _First Booke of Songs_ (London, 1597). Hoppy Smith routinely rewrites what he plays, A LOT MORE that a single note that Edin changed. Bes

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov...

2008-01-25 Thread Ray Brohinsky
I mentioned to my wife that Edin Karamazov had become a subject of discussion on the lute list. (She and I were introduced to the Labyrinth CD/DVD by the elder ladies of our consort, and she liked the "Can she excuse my wrongs" segment and Edin's playing so much she asked for the set for Christmas.

[LUTE] Dowland, was Karam.

2008-01-25 Thread David Tayler
Dowland did publish his lessons in c1603 as LoST. The lessons are the key to his music, and the most important source of English lute counterpoint, along with the holograph Farewell Fancy in Holmes. In addition to being beautiful music, the lessons clearly lay out the rules of lute voice leading

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Rank Amateur Recording # 2

2008-01-25 Thread Stephen Arndt
Hello, all! Fridays are my day off, so I thought I would try to record again, this time a Courante by Gaultier (mais elle ne court pas tr=E8s vite!). I tried to lighten up on the downbeats, as Rob suggested, but I don't know whether it's any better. I realize that I never answered Stuart'

[LUTE] Karamazov

2008-01-25 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Roman, Perhaps we should consider what John Dowland thought about people re-writing his music. He made his view very clear in the introduction to his _First Booke of Songs_ (London, 1597). He certainly wanted other people to play his music, because he had four books of songs printed, and had

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2008-01-25 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear List, No browser can open an address beginning with: ed2k:// like in this: ed2k://|file|hurel.zip|32417611|382 This is taken from page: http://luthlibrairie.free.fr/?Baroque:Fran%26ccedil%3Baise somewhere under: Fac simile disponible en P2P Jurek To get on or o

[LUTE] "Forlorne Hope" (was Karamazov)

2008-01-25 Thread howard posner
Well, maybe... On Jan 25, 2008, at 5:47 AM, Stewart McCoy wrote: > I have been told, I hope reliably, that, if, at the time of > Dowland, you wanted to attack an army of soldiers armed with > muskets, you would first send a small group of soldiers ahead to > draw their fire. Before the enem

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov

2008-01-25 Thread Ron Fletcher
Paul Keiffer wrote... "All this talk about the last chord: yes i understand it is written major and its what dowland said, but i dont think it is that big a deal when you take the interpretation as a whole. Edin's performance was remarkably well crafted, and imo he brought out the structure of the

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov

2008-01-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: "David Rastall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Sticking to the script" is most admirable, as is cultivating a sense of "humility and respect for the composer." Indeed you may be sure that these things would certainly have been endorsed by the composer himself, especially the latter! ;-) But

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov

2008-01-25 Thread David Rastall
On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:47 AM, Stewart McCoy wrote: > I enjoyed much of Karamazov's performance, not least the way he > kept the rhythm steady, unlike so many self-indulgent players today > who constantly play around with the tactus... > ...It is an emphatic statement, and a fitting climax to a

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov...

2008-01-25 Thread Donatella Galletti
I expected Count Dracula to pop out from a barrel, that would have been great... and the candles, wow, the candles.. Donatella - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist" Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov... Roman Turovsky wro

[LUTE] Karamazov

2008-01-25 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Taco, Thanks for the Wikipedia link, which confirms what I wrote in my last e-mail. I had been told about the military meaning of Forlorn Hope about 30 years ago, possibly from a member of the Sealed Knot, and I checked the etymology of the phrase in Chambers Dictionary before writing to

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov...

2008-01-25 Thread Daniel Shoskes
On Jan 25, 2008, at 3:12 AM, Taco Walstra wrote: On Friday 25 January 2008 07:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] rattled on the keyboard: a) The musical performance: I think K plays the piece in a very guitaristic (in the 20th century sense) way, vertically, not horizontally More often than the melodies

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov

2008-01-25 Thread Taco Walstra
On Friday 25 January 2008 14:47, Stewart McCoy rattled on the keyboard: > Dear All, > > I have been told, I hope reliably, that, if, at the time of Dowland, you > wanted to attack an army of soldiers armed with muskets, you would first > send a small group of soldiers ahead to draw their fire. Befo

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov

2008-01-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
There are some out there who think Monk was a sloppy player. Karamazov is also a Monk fan (as I am, as well), and, guess what- he recorded a few Monk tunes on a small THEORBO (single-strung). Very well done. RT - Original Message - From: "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lutelist

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov

2008-01-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: "Stewart McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It is an emphatic statement, and a fitting climax to an extraordinary piece of music. To play a wrong note deliberately in the last chord, not only discredits the composer, it also insults the listener. In terms of musical logic, it is like a lawyer st

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov...

2008-01-25 Thread David Tayler
I had no idea most musicologists believed that. Holmes' cadential doodlings are visible on the unused pages (well, slightly used, I guess). Souping up Dowland was a cottage industry of sorts. The mss are remarkable well preserved, no doubt due to the frosty peat bog temperature of CUL. Other th

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weiss suite 36

2008-01-25 Thread Daniel Shoskes
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/jdf.luth/ has it all. DS On Jan 25, 2008, at 4:35 AM, Duncan Midwinter wrote: Does anyone know where I can get hold of sonata 36 d-minor Dresden by Weiss? -- Duncan Midwinter midwinterDesign creative website design http://www.midwinterdesign.co.uk -- To get on

[LUTE] Re: Fasch concerto for two Chalcedons

2008-01-25 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Hundreds of Telemann cantatas have a BC for the gallichon. However Kuhnau, JSB's predecessor. did ask for permission to obtain a pair but his request wasn't approved - possibly the problem was not just procuring the instruments but getting, and paying, the players. Yes, the large gallichon

[LUTE] Karamazov

2008-01-25 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear All, I have been told, I hope reliably, that, if, at the time of Dowland, you wanted to attack an army of soldiers armed with muskets, you would first send a small group of soldiers ahead to draw their fire. Before the enemy could reload, the rest of your army attacked them. Needless to sa

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov...

2008-01-25 Thread Spring, aus dem, Rainer
-Original Message- From: David Tayler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 11:00 AM To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov... >Cadence probably not by Dowland, so OK to write your own. Any evidence? >Look at the wandering excursions in the Holmes ms

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov...

2008-01-25 Thread David Tayler
Late to the party, sorry.. Nice piece. What a cool piece. What a really cool piece. Cadence probably not by Dowland, so OK to write your own. Look at the wandering excursions in the Holmes mss. for examples. Stylistcally eccentric, but, most recordings of ren music do not display a thorough kn

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weiss suite 36

2008-01-25 Thread H L Pakker
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jdf.luth/ - Original Message - From: "Duncan Midwinter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:35 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Weiss suite 36 > Does anyone know where I can get hold of sonata 36 d-minor Dresden by > Weiss? >

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weiss suite 36

2008-01-25 Thread Rob
Complete Dresden for free here: http://luthlibrairie.free.fr/?Baroque:Allemande ..I say 'for free', but you might consider making a donation. Rob www.rmguitar.info -Original Message- From: Duncan Midwinter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 January 2008 09:36 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] S

[LUTE] Weiss suite 36

2008-01-25 Thread Duncan Midwinter
Does anyone know where I can get hold of sonata 36 d-minor Dresden by Weiss? -- Duncan Midwinter midwinterDesign creative website design http://www.midwinterdesign.co.uk -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov

2008-01-25 Thread gary digman
Is there somebody out there who thinks Thelonius Monk was incompetent?! FYI Monk was a master stride pianist among other things. Stride piano is one the most challenging jazz styles. If you think Monk was incompetent, I challenge you to play a couple of choruses of " Trinkle Tinkle". Then we'll ta

[LUTE] Re: Fasch concerto for two Chalcedons

2008-01-25 Thread LGS-Europe
Probably the usual continuo Gallichon ie the large (usually single strung) instrument in A (tuned C D G c e a) with a string length c.95cm (the Edlinger in Prague is a good example). MH Thanks. Sounds like a useful continuo instrument, by the way. Is there anything known on why these instru

[LUTE] Re: Fasch concerto for two Chalcedons

2008-01-25 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Probably the usual continuo Gallichon ie the large (usually single strung) instrument in A (tuned C D G c e a) with a string length c.95cm (the Edlinger in Prague is a good example). MH LGS-Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rather OT on the Karamazov list, but I'll give it a try anyway:

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov...

2008-01-25 Thread Taco Walstra
On Friday 25 January 2008 07:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] rattled on the keyboard: > Roman Turovsky wrote: > > http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=rVWvfnGpF-Y > > Very good and activating provocation, Roman. You really made the list > talk about important and interesting matters. Well done and thanks for > that