[LUTE] Re: Mille Regretz?

2013-12-17 Thread howard posner
On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:45 PM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone have a source of a lute in tabulation of Mille Regretz by Josquin des Pres? Seems like I remember one, but cannot locate it. Cheers, Narvaez' Cancion del Emperador is a setting of Mille Regretz. -- To get on or off this

[LUTE] Re: Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…)

2013-12-16 Thread howard posner
On Dec 16, 2013, at 7:51 AM, William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: A recent programme blurb for a Nigel North concert says that he was first inspired by Hank B. Marvin of The Shadows (Cliff Richard's backing group). Not just at first. About 20 years ago, when I gave Nigel a ride

[LUTE] Re: More Segovia stuff

2013-12-16 Thread howard posner
I meant, of course, that Segovia played bigger venues... On Dec 16, 2013, at 3:29 PM, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: Llobet was a Tarrega student and played with nails, according to Segovia, who didn't care for his tone. And according to Segovia, he played bigger venues

[LUTE] Segovia whatever

2013-12-15 Thread howard posner
On Dec 15, 2013, at 9:26 AM, Tobiah t...@tobiah.org wrote: I find his tone anemic, his rhythm unmusically erratic, I certainly agree about his rhythm (and unless you've heard his recordings from around 1930 you don't know the half of it), but he pulled a lot of sound out of the guitar. In

[LUTE] Segovia: the early years

2013-12-15 Thread howard posner
On Dec 15, 2013, at 1:47 AM, William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Segovia's early years seem to be unclear. Does anybody know where he learned to play? Did he study with a master? I just happen to own a copy of Segovia: an Autobiography of the Years 1893-1920, translated by

[LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…)

2013-12-15 Thread howard posner
On Dec 15, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Chris Barker csbarker...@att.net wrote: Tarrega taught Pujol to play with nailess right hand fingertips, and Pujol passed that technique on to others. I presume that Segovia's use of nails, and increased volume of his instrument because of that, might have gotten

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-14 Thread howard posner
On Dec 14, 2013, at 3:44 AM, gary magg...@sonic.net wrote: Recently, a message was posted referring to Andres Segovia as a bully. I think that's a little harsh, I know it's become popular to bash Segovia and that he had a huge ego, but I don't recall him actually bullying anyone into

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-14 Thread howard posner
On Dec 14, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Franz Mechsner franz.mechs...@gmx.de wrote: I think Segovia had dedicated so much genius and effort into his views on music, interpretations, fingerings etc. that he was unable to imagine that a student could have done better Never mind students; he thought

[LUTE] Re: Nails and lute playing

2013-12-11 Thread howard posner
On Dec 11, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Sean Smith lutesm...@mac.com wrote: Interesting video and it's a shame about the sound quality. He sounds like a good player. I wonder if he would have benefitted from a carpet under his chair or a screen just behind him. So much sound seems lost to the volume

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-06 Thread howard posner
On Dec 6, 2013, at 8:20 AM, erne...@aquila.mus.br wrote: his recordings do not fit into what I like to hear, say Hopkinson Smith and alumni. If you can direct me to Hopkinson Smith and Alumni play Britten and Villa-Lobos, I'd love to hear it. -- To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection

2013-12-06 Thread howard posner
On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Geoff Gaherty ge...@gaherty.ca wrote: I feel the same way about Wanda Landowska and the harpsichord. Even if the Pleyel harpsichords she used were well on their way to evolving into the piano The harpsichord had evolved into the piano a century or two earlier.

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-06 Thread howard posner
On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:52 PM, William Brohinsky tiorbin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to admit to not understanding the idea that the purpose of the list or of lutenists should be to try to force people's direction one way or the other. I don't think anyone has actually expressed that idea. --

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-06 Thread howard posner
that idea. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 4:09 PM, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:52 PM, William Brohinsky tiorbin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to admit to not understanding the idea that the purpose of the list or of lutenists should be to try to force people's

[LUTE] Re: Capo and meantone

2013-10-29 Thread howard posner
On Oct 29, 2013, at 2:20 PM, Leonard Williams arc...@verizon.net wrote: I know this has come up on several occasions‹Capo with anything but equal temperament doesn¹t work. I¹ve noticed, however, a pattern to meantone fret placements, the space between frets being (starting at the

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

2013-10-16 Thread howard posner
Arthur Ness wrote: Vivaldi also composed three concertos for violino in tromba marina (RV 211, 311 and 313). This fiddle-like instrument, which was popular at the Piet`a, has three strings tied to a floating bridge, which produces a raspy sound according to Michael Talbot. The

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

2013-10-13 Thread howard posner
Hi Arthur: Might you you be confusing the concerto in G, RV 532 with the Noah's Ark (for lots of pairs of instruments) concerto in C, R 558? On Oct 13, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Arthur Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net wrote: But notice the original instrumentation includes 2 Salmo (=chalumeaux), 2

[LUTE] Re: Ebony Pegs

2013-09-29 Thread howard posner
On Sep 28, 2013, at 5:48 PM, co...@medievalist.org wrote: I know that today we know there's too much silica in ebony to use as tuning pegs This will come as a surprise to most of the violinists in the world. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Ebony Pegs

2013-09-29 Thread howard posner
On Sep 29, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Chris Barker csbarker...@att.net wrote: This is true about silica... And the fact that ebony dries at different rates with and across the grain. I have recently noticed that a number of fine violins have light colored pegs, possibly boxwood. You'll find an

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte etc.

2013-08-23 Thread howard posner
Mostly, it's just a question of practicality. There are only so many instruments you can afford to own and keep strung, only so many you can bring to a concert and keep in tune and find a place to stash around the stage when you're not playing them, only so many you can fly with, and only so

[LUTE] Re: future-instrument creep (was Liuto forte etc.)

2013-08-23 Thread howard posner
Two things to keep in mind: 1. I don't really think there's a future-instrument creep going on. Many of us have been lutophiles long enough to remember when we didn't know enough to raise most of the questions you bring up. Players are certainly more conscious of the variety of historical

[LUTE] Re: Hindemith lute concerto

2013-08-22 Thread howard posner
Wonderful stuff, but it will sound like mostly gibberish if you're not familiar enough with the original Flying Dutchperson overture to expect the real thing. On Aug 22, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Ed Durbrow edurb...@gmail.com wrote: This gets funnier as it goes on, but they play to well in tune.

[LUTE] Re: Time to work on how we look?

2013-08-20 Thread howard posner
On Aug 20, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Mayes, Joseph ma...@rowan.edu wrote: I have to agree that the visual choreography takes away from the enjoyment. Weather it's the fellow playing F C d M (incidentally with some wrong notes and rhythms) who looks like his dog just died, or Tatiana, who looks for

[LUTE] Re: Hindemith lute concerto

2013-08-17 Thread howard posner
On Aug 17, 2013, at 4:08 PM, David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Yes, there was a concerto for Iadone. This seems like a more definitive statement than the one you posted six years ago. Have you acquired new information since? Or am I reading too much into it On August 13, 2007,

[LUTE] Re: now- How did Iadone play?

2013-08-13 Thread howard posner
On Aug 13, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Edward Martin e...@gamutstrings.com wrote: Not only that, but I found a photograph of Iodone with Hindemith http://music.yale.edu/news/?p=8933 The picture of Hindemith showing his Yale graduate students how to hold a pencil is certainly interesting, but anyone

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-12 Thread howard posner
On Aug 12, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu wrote: By the way, can you use any reentrant tuning schemes on tromba marina, or does that depend upon its scale length? It depends on how willing you are to tolerate a toy tromba marina. -- To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-08 Thread howard posner
On Aug 7, 2013, at 7:28 PM, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: Brahms used to play in seedy waterfront bars. And perhaps a brothel or two. Probably a myth, albeit one spread by Brahms himself. More thorough research since 1985 strongly suggests that it was a bit of self-mythologizing (i.e.

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness (but re guitar exams)

2013-08-07 Thread howard posner
On Aug 5, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Mark Seifert seifertm...@att.net wrote: Are you a piano player as well as a lute enthusiast? No, and my guitarist's repertoire of derogatory comments about the piano is now used only to annoy my keyboard-playing wife. There's an upright piano and a Flemish

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness (but re guitar exams)

2013-08-07 Thread howard posner
On Aug 5, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Mark Seifert seifertm...@att.net wrote: I think it was Greenberg who said in his Bach course that Bach didn't like Silbermann's pianos, though he loved Silbermann's organs and harpsichords. Bach was the heaviest hitter I could think of for help in

[LUTE] Re: colonel public Lute awareness

2013-08-07 Thread howard posner
On Aug 7, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Leonard Williams arc...@verizon.net wrote: I believe the criterion for judging good music from bad lies in the quote (also Ellington??): If it sounds good, it is good. This is either tautology or useful advice for anyone in the habit of judging music by its smell.

[LUTE] Re: colonel public Lute awareness

2013-08-06 Thread howard posner
On Aug 5, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com wrote: Disdain for either early or later music is foolish. Duke Ellington is reputed to have said: There are only two kinds of music; good music and bad music. And since no two persons will ever agree on which is which in every

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness (but re guitar exams)

2013-08-04 Thread howard posner
On Aug 4, 2013, at 5:11 AM, Mark Seifert seifertm...@att.net wrote: Why the piano chauvinism in modern music? I don't like piano (except maybe Debussy, Rachmaninoff, Chopin, Hummel, Schumann, Tim Story) You might want to check out this dude named Beethoven. Bach firmly rejected the

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-04 Thread howard posner
On Aug 3, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: The longer this thread continues, the more I feel like I've gone back 45 years in a time machine. Severe jet lag? This is EXACTLY the situation I encountered as a young Classical guitar student at university all those years

[LUTE] Re: Fine Knacks text trouble

2013-07-25 Thread howard posner
Try looking up Castor and Pollux. On Jul 25, 2013, at 12:12 PM, Sam Chapman manchap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've been asked by a singer to explain the meaning of a couple of lines from Fine Knacks for Ladies. Frankly I've never understood them either, have any of you? She writes:

[LUTE] Re: Markus Passion by Bach

2013-07-22 Thread howard posner
On Jul 22, 2013, at 2:51 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I note that you now have the reference I sent you about Kuhnau's request for gallichon being refused by the authorities: would you kindly pass the information onto the other people you consulted who also were

[LUTE] Re: Markus Passion by Bach 2

2013-07-21 Thread howard posner
On Jul 21, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Well, I suppose it all depends on whether we try to identify and employ the instrument the composer is most likely to have expected to be heard. The question is not whether we try to identify the instrument the

[LUTE] Re: Markus Passion by Bach

2013-07-20 Thread howard posner
On Jul 20, 2013, at 1:11 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Indeed Kuhnau did press (unsuccessfully!) the church authorities for one or two instruments to play continuo which he called gallichons Is anyone aware of some piece of evidence as to what the town council

[LUTE] Re: Markus Passion by Bach

2013-07-18 Thread howard posner
On Jul 18, 2013, at 1:03 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: There is no evidence that Bach had the gallichon/mandora in mind for this. There's rather stronger evidence than usual for gallichon in German church music and particularly in Leipzig, if not specifically in any

[LUTE] Re: Bream interview on BBC

2013-07-17 Thread howard posner
This is fascinating stuff. He talks about his dealings with Benjamin Britten and Peter Pears, the origin of Nocturnal, his commissioning of other music, and even a bit about the lute, which got exposure in the U.S. from his appearances on chat shows of the sort that did not yet exist in the

[LUTE] Re: Lute in North America?

2013-06-19 Thread howard posner
On Jun 19, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu wrote: Total irrelevancy alert: Lake Superior only the largest lake in the world by surface area, not by volume. It is a part of a large system, the Laurentian Great Lakes, that do constitute the largest freshwater system in the

[LUTE] Re: Bach tab

2013-06-03 Thread howard posner
On Jun 2, 2013, at 10:48 PM, Sterling spiffys84...@yahoo.com wrote: You will have to be way more specific. By which he means that Bach more than one prelude in C major. Do you mean the one from Book 1 of the Well-tempered Keyboard? -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Frank from Milan

2013-05-09 Thread howard posner
On May 8, 2013, at 11:33 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: The purported Ellis Island name manglings is a myth. Every immigrant's name had to be and was matched to the ship's manifest, and any deviation was massively illegal. As was selling alcoholic beverages in the United States between 1920

[LUTE] Re: Tempo, magnitude and precision.

2013-04-10 Thread howard posner
On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Bruno Correia bruno.l...@gmail.com wrote: Absolute strict time was certainly unknown to them (musicians), we take this idea for granted nowadays because of the mechanical age we live in. Absolute precision is our game not theirs… *Absolute* precision is no

[LUTE] Re: Tempo, magnitude and precision.

2013-04-10 Thread howard posner
On Apr 10, 2013, at 1:37 PM, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: What they did with that approach was likely as variable as what we do. By which I meant that one person's approach would differ from another's just as we have different approaches today. -- To get on or off this list

[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?

2013-03-15 Thread howard posner
On Mar 15, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de wrote: There is a constant learning process during the tying of the first 3 frets which leads to a triumphant sailoresque mastery of knothood. I'm living proof that it leads to no such mastery. -- To get on or off this list see

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 3rd finger in french baroque?

2013-02-25 Thread howard posner
On Feb 25, 2013, at 5:38 AM, James Jackson weirdgeor...@googlemail.com wrote: don't forget the Saizenay MS was compiled towards the end of the golden age of French baroque, when it was obvious it was coming to an end. Were there odd-looking men on street corners with signs saying,

[LUTE] Re: Damping overspun strings.

2013-02-21 Thread howard posner
In the 18th century, of course, the best players didn't have to worry much about string damping because when master lutenists played, their apprentices did all the necessary damping. On Feb 21, 2013, at 10:40 AM, Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: Dan, Don't you have to play

[LUTE] Re: Damping overspun strings.

2013-02-21 Thread howard posner
On Feb 21, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Sam Chapman manchap...@gmail.com wrote: There is far more evidence for a legato way of playing. One of the first rules we learn on the lute is to hold down the left hand fingers until they are needed for another note - doesn't this indicate a desire for

[LUTE] Re: Damping overspun strings.

2013-02-21 Thread howard posner
On Feb 21, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Sam Chapman manchap...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't cutting a note short articulating by definition, regardless of what one does with all the other notes? No. Articulation means lots of things, but none of those things is cutting a note short for no particular

[LUTE] Re: Origins of bowing.

2013-02-17 Thread howard posner
On Feb 17, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Christopher Stetson christophertstet...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's all very primate behavior, and fairly deep in our evolutionary psyches, if one can speak of such. That would depend on where one is. I wouldn't bring up evolution at a Republican

[LUTE] Re: Baroque Guitar Video

2013-02-14 Thread howard posner
On Feb 14, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I listened to it twice with the music in front of me and I know the piece quite well. As far as the stringing was concerned it was impossible to tell what you had chosen to do, but a high octave string does create this

[LUTE] Re: Baroque Guitar Video

2013-02-14 Thread howard posner
On Feb 14, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: There were one or two places where (dare I say it) some of the lower notes sounded twangy... Yes, that is a actually special type of ornament that I have mastered it to perfection. I call it a mistake. ;-)

[LUTE] Re: Baroque Guitar Video

2013-02-13 Thread howard posner
I enjoyed the contrast between the strummed parts and the punteado parts. As it went on, I found myself wanting more dynamic contrast within the strummed parts. Your thoughts are most welcome. The link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3v56-03ajU Chris Well I very much

[LUTE] Re: Newsidler and plucking or not?

2013-02-02 Thread howard posner
On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Arto Wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: Just in case someone doesn't have the Elslein tabulatures, here you'll find the facsimile of my 1980's handwriting in French(!) tabulature by three Hanses: Judenkunig, Newsidler and also Gerle: I hadn't seen the Gerle

[LUTE] Re: Newsidler and plucking or not?

2013-02-01 Thread howard posner
On Feb 1, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Arto Wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: What makes me prefer my choice is that many, many years ago I happened to sang Elslein in a small group, and the not repeating way resembles so much better to the sound of the that Lied than the other alternative. and

[LUTE] Re: The English Guitar

2013-01-31 Thread howard posner
On Jan 31, 2013, at 5:24 AM, G. D. Rossi ceth...@gmail.com wrote: I've published articles on this topic - it was indeed called English at the time, and several other things as well. I play the JCB in concert regularly and have recorded it, too - it's a delight to play - both parts

[LUTE] Re: The English Guitar

2013-01-31 Thread howard posner
On Jan 31, 2013, at 7:17 AM, G. D. Rossi ceth...@gmail.com wrote: thanks, howard. Don't mention it. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: 6c guittar

2013-01-30 Thread howard posner
On Jan 30, 2013, at 1:05 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I'm sorry you feel so defensive - but what is there to complain about in what I wrote to you? I'm just guessing here, but could it possibly be that you were the only one on the list who didn't understand it was

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy

2013-01-29 Thread howard posner
On 29/01/2013 14:39, Monica Hall wrote: How do you know that this instrument is a 4-course guitar. There is no way of telling as far as I can see that is intended to be plucked rather than played with a bow. We know for three reasons: 1. The instrument has a flat fingerboard and a

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy

2013-01-26 Thread howard posner
On Jan 25, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Meucci gives a whole series of references which support his contention that in Italian sources the terms chitarra or chitarrino refer to a small lute whatever they may refer to in any other language. Amongst the latest

[LUTE] Re: Fuenllana

2013-01-03 Thread howard posner
On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: But always with the ever present danger of death by hardware or incorrect opinions. Unlike today... -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Fuenllana

2013-01-02 Thread howard posner
On Jan 2, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Thank you. 1525 seems more likely for his date of birth but 1605 would still make him 80 when he died! It's been known to happen. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: John Cage centennial: A Room (played on a lute)

2012-12-20 Thread howard posner
On Dec 20, 2012, at 4:22 PM, WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: I think this could work as a lute piece... as a sort of prelude. And if you want a sort of Cage suite, I've found that 2'33 works as well on the lute as it does on piano/ -- To get on or off this list see list information

[LUTE] Re: John Cage centennial: A Room (played on a lute)

2012-12-20 Thread howard posner
On Dec 20, 2012, at 5:45 PM, adS rainer.aus-dem-spr...@gmx.de wrote: 4'33 - You're absolutely right, but when I do it, it's two minutes shorter because I skip the first movement--I've never liked it, unlike the other two. BTW, there's video of the full orchestral version at:

[LUTE] Re: Bach Violin Partitas

2012-12-18 Thread howard posner
IMSLP has the manuscript in both color (72 MB) and black white (14 MB): http://imslp.org/wiki/6_Violin_Sonatas_and_Partitas,_BWV_1001-1006_(Bach,_Johann_Sebastian) On Dec 18, 2012, at 12:14 AM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: Dear Collective Ocean of lute wisdom- Can anyone direct me to

[LUTE] Re: Are Pistoys prone to rot according to Mace?

2012-11-27 Thread howard posner
On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:35 AM, jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote: The word decay reappears several times in the technical part of Music's Monument, always in conjunction with the word rottenness. This can't be coincidental. You may be right about Mace using rottenness in the modern sense of

[LUTE] Re: Chitarrone

2012-10-17 Thread howard posner
On Oct 17, 2012, at 4:17 AM, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: There is also the article by John Hill in Early Music, Vol. 11, no. 2, April 1983, p. 194-208 which does mention the possible influence of the guitar on the lute - Realized continuo accompaniments from Florence

[LUTE] Re: OT: unusual combination

2012-10-12 Thread howard posner
Sounds like a toy stylophone. On Oct 12, 2012, at 2:58 PM, WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: The cittern list seems to be defunct. So: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNdO5va4CQI Stuart -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] eccentric Mace

2012-10-08 Thread howard posner
Before I depart this subject, I should remind everyone what it is. It isn't about whether you should discredit everything Mace writes, which is not what I've suggested. The question was how to interpret Mace's statement that red strings were commonly rotten. Here are three possibilities: 1.

[LUTE] Re: eccentric Mace

2012-10-08 Thread howard posner
Try again: I meant to say the word case does NOT appear in MM. On Oct 8, 2012, at 11:16 AM, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: What jumps out is that he does not compare the advantages of a bed with those of keeping the lute in its case. But the word case does appear in Musick's

[LUTE] Re: eccentric Mace

2012-10-08 Thread howard posner
My very dear Jaroslaw; how good to hear from you. On Oct 8, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Jarosław Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote: Then, lets examine your own words without any additions. But with lots of subtractions; i.e. if you're going to parse, you should parse completely, starting with the

[LUTE] Re: the point of synthetics - Rather the movement of the whole lute

2012-10-07 Thread howard posner
On Oct 7, 2012, at 4:23 AM, Jaros³aw Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote: There is also quite a lot of speculation in your answer, So I said at the beginning. however I doubt very much if Mace could be so poetic and enigmatic in the book which was to simplify things. He was defending lute's

[LUTE] Re: the point of synthetics - Rather the movement of the whole lute

2012-10-07 Thread howard posner
On Oct 7, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Jaros³aw Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote: So you see Mace as an oddball, inaccurate observer, someone quick to jump to odd conclusions, old deaf man who had lost touch with reality, an idiot who constructed an instrument impossible to play etc What I said

[LUTE] Re: the point of synthetics - Rather the movement of the whole lute

2012-10-07 Thread howard posner
On Oct 7, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Jarosław Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote: No offence I hope? I really wouldn't like to take part in an exchange of arguments that go far from the subjects most of the lute-listers are interested in. The listers should be interested in the problems of

[LUTE] Re: the point of synthetics - Rather the movement of the whole lute

2012-10-06 Thread howard posner
On Oct 6, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Jaros³aw Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote: Maybe, but then how will you explain a quote from Mace p.66: I have sometimes seen strings of a yellowish color very good; yet but seldom; for that color is a general sign of rottenness, or of the decay of the string.

[LUTE] Re: Reasonably priced lutes in the US

2012-10-02 Thread howard posner
I bought my first lute from Kelischek 30 years ago. It was a decent, playable entry-level instrument. I can't speak for what they're selling now, but it's hard to imagine they're peddling junk. On Oct 2, 2012, at 5:35 AM, Ron Fletcher ron.fletc...@ntlworld.com wrote: I have just come

[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.

2012-10-01 Thread howard posner
On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Toby t...@tobiah.org wrote: Often, mundane thoughts, Tend to appear meaningful When read in Haiku Mundane though they be, Thoughts, when expressed in haiku Are concise, at least -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.

2012-10-01 Thread howard posner
On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Toby t...@tobiah.org wrote: Then it would be best That all communication Be done in Haiku Better for reader But for the one who's writing It would take too long -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.

2012-10-01 Thread howard posner
On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Toby t...@tobiah.org wrote: A side benefit Would be that unworthy thoughts Would remain suppressed Some listers will find This whole exchange unworthy So I will stop now -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] On shimming frets.

2012-09-30 Thread howard posner
Keep in mind that nothing lasts forever. But you may be able to rotate your fret, as it were: push the fret toward the nut enough to loosen it, push the knot about course's width away from the fingerboard, then slide the fret into position again, and (as we string players say) viola! the

[LUTE] Re: Consort Suggestions Please

2012-09-09 Thread howard posner
On Sep 9, 2012, at 2:52 PM, A.J. Padilla MD wrote: There's a saying somewhere that if there's a bagpipe in the same room with a lute, you can't hear the lute being played, even if the bagpipe is not. Same thing probably applies to the krumhorn! Not quite. The world hardly has need of

[LUTE] Re: Consort Suggestions Please

2012-09-09 Thread howard posner
-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of howard posner Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 8:27 PM To: LuteNet list Subject: [LUTE] Re: Consort Suggestions Please On Sep 9, 2012, at 2:52 PM, A.J. Padilla MD wrote: There's a saying somewhere that if there's a bagpipe

[LUTE] Re: Slightly off-topic

2012-09-04 Thread howard posner
On Sep 2, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: I have no answers for you, but I always wondered what the meaning of that edged tools line was. Is it just a general kind of saying that was popular then, don't play with sharp things as you can cut yourself, or is there another meaning or pun

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-03 Thread howard posner
On Sep 3, 2012, at 7:58 PM, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: I mentioned this to a friend who is not a musician, but a brilliant scientist. His immediate reaction was that the sharp angle of the string going over the nut to a right angle pegbox would have the same effect as a pulley in

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-02 Thread howard posner
On Sep 2, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Edward Mast wrote: But I am indeed surprised if the theorbo has its peg box and neck extension glued to the main neck where they join and yet supports the tension . Some theorbos, at least, are built this way, and the string tension actually helps hold the

[LUTE] Re: Mmmmmmmmechanical Pegs

2012-08-17 Thread howard posner
On Aug 17, 2012, at 5:30 AM, Louis Aull wrote: If you fear a peg slipping, something is not right with your peg/pegbox. Keep the lute in the case This prevents not only slipping, but a lot of tedious playing and practicing, so it's a time-saver all around. -- To get on or off this list see

[LUTE] Re: Mmmmmmechanical Pegs

2012-08-17 Thread howard posner
On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Edward Martin wrote: The hall filled with people, and the heat and humidity went up. The gut strings were so stable with pegheds, that we had NO TUNING for the entire concert, with exception of tuning diapasons to a different key!! That in itself is

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: BWV 1025

2012-08-13 Thread howard posner
On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:48 AM, Taco Walstra wrote: Interesting is if you look at the trauerode score (198) aria is that it indicates liuti at the start of score, i.e. plural. Would this mean that the piece was played /intended to be played by more than one lute? There are two obbligato

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bruwell modern edition?

2012-08-08 Thread howard posner
On Aug 8, 2012, at 7:16 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: Did I write Bruwell? No wonder I couldn't find any references in the library catalogue ... ;-) That's what happens when you use a looking glass. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: My First Lute

2012-08-01 Thread howard posner
On Aug 1, 2012, at 10:01 AM, co...@medievalist.org wrote: I took a look on eBay just on spec to see what was out there based on your email on this subject. I know nothing of the quality but at first blush, the Roosebeck 7 course seen here

[LUTE] Re: A Toy: meaning?

2012-07-31 Thread howard posner
On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:33 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: I found my looking glass, sorely needed for the 'compact' edition of the OED If you're really using a looking glass, you're really doing it the hard way. Looking glass is a synonym for mirror, not magnifying glass. (nothing compact

[LUTE] What do you call this instrument

2012-07-15 Thread howard posner
Is there a standard name for this sort of early 20th-century lute-guitar-attiorbato whatever? http://www.gazettenet.com/2010/07/24/betty-viereck-formerly-south-hadley And did anybody here know Betty Viereck? To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Lute Song by Raymond Scott

2012-07-13 Thread howard posner
On Jul 13, 2012, at 5:18 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: the Broadway musical Lute Song, which starred Yul Brynner and Mary Martin. Also the only Broadway appearance of Nancy Davis, later Mrs. Ronald Reagan. I'm curious as to what it was about and if there are any lutes in it. Lutes wouldn't work

[LUTE] Re: YouTube going too far?

2012-07-05 Thread howard posner
The magic words are public domain. On Jul 5, 2012, at 6:10 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: have answered YouTube with this: I made my own arrangement from the original source, which is a manuscript from ca 1580 (Trinity College, Dublin, MS D.1 21 9 'Ballet Lute Book', page 104). I can provide a

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-07-01 Thread howard posner
On Jul 1, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: Thanks, Arto. I'm glad to know there are other happy existentialists out there, riffing on the absurdity of it all. Well, one person's absurdity is another's physical science. When I do stroll gigs, I've found that if I stroll too fast the

[LUTE] Re: Tuning

2012-07-01 Thread howard posner
On Jul 1, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: Is the Doppler effect what happens when you pitch a theorbo end over end? Pitching a theorbo end over end is an ahistorical practice because it's possible only with a toy theorbo. Maybe Randy Johnson could pitch a theorbo that way... Is

[LUTE] Re: Taking CD home

2012-06-26 Thread howard posner
On Jun 26, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Marvin Reiss wrote: there is no viable market place for physical CDs. Our CD inventory which was in excess of 1 million units 18 months ago is now non-existent. So what happened to them all? -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minkoff contact

2012-05-16 Thread howard posner
On May 16, 2012, at 8:23 AM, R. Mattes wrote: This is partly right and partly wrong - but first let's be clear about what we talk here: the rights on the composition (which most likely ended centuries ago :-) or the right of the _image_ of the original work. Those remain with the owner of

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Satoh Recording

2012-04-30 Thread howard posner
David Rubio 1976, after Tielke On Apr 30, 2012, at 3:41 PM, sterling price wrote: Hi--Today I recieved a 2LP recording by Toyohiko Satoh called 'French Baroque Lute Music' from 1978. Unfortunatly the liner notes are missing from the set. If someone has the recording, could you check and

[LUTE] Re: Bach’s Lute Suites

2012-04-30 Thread howard posner
On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:31 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: There is a general consensus among musicians that Bach never really understood their instrument, because however good his music for other instruments, it's always unplayable on their own instrument. From Letter from an able Musikant

[LUTE] Re: Bach¹s Piano Suites: This Myth is Busted

2012-04-30 Thread howard posner
On Apr 30, 2012, at 7:32 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: His low opinion of hammerklaviers he saw in Berlin is documented. Inaccurate, I think. Johann Friedrich Agricola related in a 1768 treatise on keyboard instruments that Bach once tried a Silbermann pianoforte (didn't say when or where), and

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