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My view is that the claims Sting makes for his CD
are false and misleading
especially to an audience new to this repertoire.
Has anyone ever considered that for Sting to perform
the music as many of us think he should - i.e. the
same way we want to do it
In einer eMail vom 10.10.2006 03:26:33 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt
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Not much HIP there, but it sure was hip.
Eugene
I agree I have the box set with the King Henry's Madrigal.
Probably a Jethro Tull plays Dowland, without absolutely any attempt at
being
Yesterday Sting was neither off tune nor out of tempo.
RT
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From: Francesco Tribioli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:54 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: The last word goes to Sting
...To sing out of tune or out of tempo is wrong
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From: David Rastall
: Those who claim to know what is authentic, and who see themselves
as the sole arbiters of taste in early music, would do well to
consider what happened the last time their oh-so-precious historical
principles were applied for real, back in
Actually I already suggested to my Duo-Partner to start an action A tribute to
Sting for lutenists and to perform hits by Police and Sting on Lute(s).
I would offer to collect all contributions :)
Best wishes
Thomas
Yesterday Sting was neither off tune nor out of tempo.
RT
Pheewww! What a
In einer eMail vom 10.10.2006 13:40:02 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt
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Actually I already suggested to my Duo-Partner to start an action A
tribute to Sting for lutenists and to perform hits by Police and Sting on
Lute(s).
I would offer to collect all
Those who claim to know what is authentic, and who see themselves
as the sole arbiters of taste in early music, would do well to
consider what happened the last time their oh-so-precious historical
principles were applied for real
What happened was that the lute held a dominant position in
At 06:36 AM 10/10/2006, Francesco Tribioli wrote:
I've decided: I'll remove all my octaves, and double strings, and gut
strings. I'll get an archlute and will try the pop lutenist career. Perhaps
Mark and me could found a new group named The HIP Police and the
repertoire will be Sting music
Nobody here (apart from Sting) is claiming to have the ultimate way.
I think if I say a single strung archlute is the wrong instrument for
performing this music in a HIP way, then until someone can give me
evidence that such
an instrument existed then I am not being elitest or purist.
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Andrew Lawrence-King has been sticking his double-harp everywhere he could,
including Biber.
Go bark up that tree.
RT
I am not an expert on historical harps and maybe a double-harp is not
I have if on good authority that the Labyrinth sales in
Germany have already exceeded 30.
RT
There is an incredible amount of advertising of this CD here in Italy too.
Every morning after the radio news there is an extract of Come again sang by
Sting with the advise of buying the CD in
the full CD?
Saludos,
Ariel.
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From: Francesco Tribioli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:03 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: The last word goes to Sting
I have if on good authority that the Labyrinth sales
On Monday 09 October 2006 11:03, you wrote:
I have if on good authority that the Labyrinth sales in
Germany have already exceeded 30.
RT
There is an incredible amount of advertising of this CD here in Italy too.
Every morning after the radio news there is an extract of Come again sang
In einer eMail vom 09.10.2006 11:49:29 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt
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Edin is an specialized lutenist (one of the best around, I should add), and
Sting knows about Dowland (and about singing) as much as many so called
professional singers.
These are all very
Edin is an specialized lutenist (one of the best around, I should add),
and
Sting knows about Dowland (and about singing) as much as many so called
professional singers.
These are all very vague terms, what is a specialized lutenist and when
you
say sting knows about Dowland, I would
one of the first posters i ever bought was a copy of
the mona lisa and i learned a lot from it - much
more than i was able to i learn from the original when
it was brought to new york in 1960-something and i was
whisked past it briefly, along with thousands of
others in line. i learned about
In einer eMail vom 09.10.2006 14:22:20 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt
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become
something less than beautiful?
when divisions are played like the Can she excuse divisions on the sting CD.
Sounds like they were played with a knife and fork and the speed varying with
Just a question about how far the hip people go: Does anyone play Dowland
using Thumb-out technique (as he seems to have favored) or with unison
stringing on their lutes (as he seems to have favored) Or with double
chanterelles (as was apparently the fashion re. The Schoole of Musicke)?
Joseph
In einer eMail vom 09.10.2006 14:54:09 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt
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Just a question about how far the hip people go: Does anyone play Dowland
using Thumb-out technique (as he seems to have favored) or with unison
stringing on their lutes (as he seems to have
I thinkif my memory serves me correctly- that
later in life - Dowland did play thumb out. But how
about Paul O'dette playing theorbo and baroque lute
thumb under?(this is based on second hand sightings)
although I did see him years back play theorbo thumb
under. You know, after listening to
On Oct 9, 2006, at 5:03 AM, Francesco Tribioli wrote:
This is an interesting phenomenon: actually the quality of the music
and the quality of the performance are absolutely unimportant. No
one knows
who is Dowland, no one knows what a good performance of this music
is but
the
In einer eMail vom 09.10.2006 15:20:49 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt
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The HIP purists
Are you talking about sting here - the man with the normal voice or maybe
Edin who says they ONLY uses instruments based on historical models. It seems
very important fro them to
On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:51 AM, Joseph Mayes wrote:
Just a question about how far the hip people go: Does anyone play
Dowland
using Thumb-out technique (as he seems to have favored) or with unison
stringing on their lutes (as he seems to have favored) Or with double
chanterelles (as was
the modern world. Otherwise, what is the point of the
20th-century lute revival? Simply to amass information for
Passing over your easy irony and attacks to the HIP police 8^), in my
opinion, the point is to play music in a way that is the closest possible to
the way it might have sounded,
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I'm not sure if that's HIP
or just self-indulgence. A little of both, I guess
For all the poking fun at sting co I think all this HIP paranoia is even
more amusing.
Nobody here (apart from
Joe,
As someone else pointed out, Nigel does both of the
first two. I don't know about a true first course,
but he did actually record with a NINE-course lute, as
Dowland called for. I think it _may_ have had a
double chanterelle.
But he has no qualms using nylgut.
Chris
--- Joseph
On Oct 9, 2006, at 9:18 AM, David Rastall wrote:
I'll tell you another interesting phenomenon. The HIP purists in the
early-music community, who set themselves above the commercial
mainstream believing in effect that only others from their particular
world are competent to critique what
On Oct 9, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Daniel Shoskes wrote
Could you please provide some specific examples? I recall reading
such discussions back when the term was authentic music and people
really went overboard, but I haven't seen these types of quotes more
recently from HIP writers in magazines
On Monday 09 October 2006 9:28 am, you wrote:
The point is that he is bringing to a wide audience music that in
my opinion sounds bad because it's badly performed, with some sort
of hybrid instruments and hybrid technique and poor vocal
technique. As he has access to a lot more people than any
On Oct 9, 2006, at 5:47 AM, ariel abramovich wrote:
Edin is an specialized lutenist (one of the best around, I should
add), ...
Ariel: I wish Edin, the CD and any spill off into the lute
community at large great financial and artistic success. But I have
to say that your comment
Hi Daniel,
Edin is an specialized lutenist (one of the best around, I should add),
...
Ariel: I wish Edin, the CD and any spill off into the lute community at
large great financial and artistic success. But I have to say that your
comment really gets under my skin. Do you mean
On Oct 9, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Francesco Tribioli wrote:
...To sing out of tune or out of tempo is wrong, HIP or
not HIP.
To play outside an accepted temperament is wrong?, or to use notes
inegal at your own personal discretion is wrong? Maybe, maybe not.
The point is that he is bringing to
Art is art and artists shouldn't be ranked like world tennis players.
Nevertheless I don't think it is too unreasonable to at least
think in
terms of broad bands of technical and artistic ability. No need to
quibble about specifics, but there is definitely an A list that
includes people
Actually, Daniel, what I would like to hear about is the McFarlane workshop,
which I very much wanted to attend but couldn't get away for.
Robert Margo
On 10/9/06, Daniel Shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Art is art and artists shouldn't be ranked like world tennis players.
Nevertheless I
Robert Margo wrote:
Actually, Daniel, what I would like to hear about is the McFarlane
workshop,
which I very much wanted to attend but couldn't get away for.
That's too bad. You missed Ronn and Mick Jagger doing Ferrabosco.
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Think yourselves lucky, folks - tonight on French TV they had a whole show
of variety stars singing opera classics. I just couldn't find the on
button
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On Oct 9, 2006, at 3:34 PM, Howard Posner wrote:
That's too bad. You missed Ronn and Mick Jagger doing Ferrabosco.
Uh, which Ronn Wood that be...???
Hah! Sir Mick, accompanied on period instruments by master Ronnie
and master Keith, wth master Charles beating out the tactus. But,
wait a
: The last word goes to Sting
On Oct 9, 2006, at 3:34 PM, Howard Posner wrote:
That's too bad. You missed Ronn and Mick Jagger doing Ferrabosco.
Uh, which Ronn Wood that be...???
Hah! Sir Mick, accompanied on period instruments by master Ronnie and
master Keith, wth master Charles beating out
Hello Stephen,
I'm not certain what you meant by that last statement. If
you mean that no curiosity will be generated because of the
'bad sound/music', or maybe you meant that less curiosity
will be generated than if the sound/music was 'good': I will
politely disagree.
What I wanted
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From: Rob Dorsey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, October 9, 2006 5:51 pm
Subject: [LUTE] Re: The last word goes to Sting
David,
Not mention Jethro Tull doing the BWV 996 Bouree' on flute.
Now, that's interpretation!
Jethro Tull, of course, is a rock band
Yet another interview! For those of you lucky enough to have access to BBC
radio, Sting has made it to Radio 3's Early Music Show, tomorrow at 1pm (FM
90.2 - 92.4 MHz). The whole programme seems to be devoted to Dowland.
CB
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Normally the shows are kept up on Listen again for a week...
It's a concert, not the CD
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Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 10:26 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: The last word goes to Sting
Yet another interview! For those
On Oct 7, 2006, at 5:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
there is also an article in the Guardian about Stings Dowland
project at
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,,1884639,00.html
- the condition whereby musicians d'un certain age refuse to accept
the inevitable (that
Hi,
there is also an article in the Guardian about Stings Dowland
project at
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,,1884639,00.html
- the condition whereby musicians d'un certain age refuse to accept
the inevitable (that talent and inspiration are finite qualities for
99 per cent
I have if on good authority that the Labyrinth sales in Germany have already
exceeded 30.
RT
Great news, more people now know who Dowland is and the stage is set to do
something a bit more daring with his music
Mark
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Sting appeared on Swedish television today.
Hi,
thanks for the link, the live performances sound much much better than the CD
does. I listened to the CD a couple of days ago and the lute does
Where do you click to find Sting in this link?
If you have already translated the introduction, how about posting it
to the lutenet?
On Oct 8, 2006, at 8:29 AM, magnus andersson wrote:
Sting appeared on Swedish television today. =0A=0Ahttp://www.tv4.se/
On Sep 27, 2006, at 5:15 AM, Thomas Schall wrote:
Except the quoted remark I would share everything Sting said in that
interview.
Possibly someone can translate it?
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Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
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Hi Mark,
Except the quoted remark I would share everything Sting said in that
interview.
Possibly someone can translate it?
Best wishes
Thomas
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An:
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Hi Mark,
Except the quoted remark I would share everything Sting said in that
interview.
Possibly someone can translate it?
Best wishes
Thomas
The interview is only an excerpt from the
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