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From: Monica Aiken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: May 27, 2005 6:19 PM
To: "Roger E. Blumberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: Re: Blind players and memory
Roger, I like your take on things. It's true. There is such a
thi
rom: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:37:32 -0600
> > To: , "Stuart LeBlanc"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: Blind players and memory
>
>
> > Performance from memory, and improvisation are
I was at the concert. Very, very finely played indeed. Wadsworth is a fine
musician. Somewhat idiosyncratic, but meaningful phrasing.
Hardly any thin notes.
Piccinini and Kapsberger shared the program.
As expected:
Piccinini was great, but Kapsberger fluctuated between annoying and
soporiphic.
RT
not a pretty sight.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Stuart LeBlanc"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:48
D]>;
"Arto Wikla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:04 AM
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> This type of thinking seems deeply imbedded in the lute world, but one
> doesn't find this thinking in other realms as much.
> I guess my
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> This type of thinking seems deeply imbedded in the lute world, but one
> doesn't find this thinking in other realms as much.
> I guess my mistake was
amesClassicalGuitars.com
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> From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Stuart LeBlanc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Blind players and memory
>
>
>>> Sorry
However, there is no amount of study for " thick as a brick syndrome ".
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Stuart LeBlanc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
Sent: Tuesday, April 1
> This type of thinking seems deeply imbedded in the lute world, but one
> doesn't find this thinking in other realms as much.
> I guess my mistake was to elevate the lute to the status of great solo
> pianists, cellists, violinists and guitarists, in such a way that it would
> fill a concert hall
> Sorry, not misinformed. Nor trivia, unless you think non-western cultures are
> inherently trivial.
>
> Connect the dots: lute - al'ud - sarod - p'ip'a - biwa
>
> In ancient China and Japan, the equivalent of the western liberal arts was the
> "Four Accomplishments," which included painting,
> That's very interesting, since this questionable translation seems to have
> defined the western understanding of the four arts. From what I understand in
> Japan it does refer to the biwa, which corresponds directly to the lute.
> Must
> I give up the bragging rights I have claimed at the Go cl
btw, we've got a blind player in our ranks. It's Matthew Wadsworth, and
you can contact and ask him
http://www.matthewwadsworth.com/index.htm
Best wishes,
Mathias
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> From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:37:32 -0600
> To: , "Stuart LeBlanc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Blind players and memory
> Performance from memory, and improvisation are two completely
> differe
improvised,
> >memorized or read from score
>
> Who cares! everyone does this, the topic incidentally was live
> performance.
> Michael Thames
> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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> From: "Stuart LeBlanc" <[EMAIL PROTECT
Yeah well I'm talking about live performance soundclips, audience noise
included.
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From: Michael Thames [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:10 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Stuart LeBlanc
Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: Blind players and memory
the lute also had it's origins from there.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: "Steve Amazeen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lute List"
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: Blind players and memory
>
> -
ance.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:12 PM
Subject: RE: Antwort: Re: Blind players and memory
>
> Twenty years ago when I was in school, improvising double
ntify which are improvised,
memorized or read from score.
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From: Michael Thames [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:00 AM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: Blind players and memory
Thomas,
A jazz friend recently
Per all the discussion about playing from memory, I want to mention and
highly recommend to anyone in New York City to try to get to the following
concert
of Matthew Wadsworth, who is both blind and plays programs and vast amounts of
repertoire from memory. There is a possibility, too, that he
Vance Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> how did the blind learn a piece in the first place if they did not
> write their own material exclusively?
Some would have had sighted 'secretarys' to set down their notes and perhaps
read/play them back -perhaps an established organist who happened to b
es" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Arto Wikla"
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> Michael,
>
>
> Oh well. There's nothing wrong with performing
> with sheet music and there's noth
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> That's it. Guitarists have a problem with sight reading, maybe because
they
> are trained not to, and I can say that as an ex guitarist who wanted to be
> able reading
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> Michael,
>
>
> Oh well. There's nothing wrong with performing
> with sheet music and there's nothing wrong with
> memorizing music. They're not mut
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> Look it up: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=moso-biwa
>
> While you're at it, you might take a look at:
> http://www.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/plurals.htm
> http://
om
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> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> "Arto Wikla"
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Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 1:54 PM
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> Michael,
>
> I found that many guitarists memorize simply
> because they ar
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> Michael,
>
> I found that many guitarists memorize simply
> because they are _such_ poor readers. I know this was
> the case with myse
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>
>
>
>
> The funny thing about one of their meetings (Bach and Weiss along with
> Kropffgans) was the BWV 1025 which is a lute sonata by Weiss to which
between you,and the audience.
>
> Michael Thames
> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 2:29
Gary Digman
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To: "Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute List"
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 2:15 AM
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> not unrelated to jon's
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From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, April 1
dding more or less prepared scales to a given scheme".
Best wishes
Thomas
"Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 11.04.2005 07:37:32
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>Indeed, the fact of improvi
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> To:
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:43 PM
> Subject: RE: Blind players and memory
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>> Must
>> I give up the bragging rights I have claimed at the Go club??
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From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ; "Steve Amazeen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 4:49 PM
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> Steve,
> Whilst it's true these instruments bare a re
"Stuart LeBlanc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Point being, don't write off trivia or the trivium as trivial.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Thames [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> There are more things in heaven and earth Horatio,
> than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Thames [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 4:57 PM
> To: Arto Wikla
> Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Subject: Re: Bl
.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: "Stuart LeBlanc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:43 PM
Subject: RE: Blind players and memory
>
> Indeed, the fact of improvisation makes the reading vs. memory argument
moot.
> Performance
Point being, don't write off trivia or the trivium as trivial.
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From: Michael Thames [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 4:31 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Stuart LeBlanc
Subject: Re: Blind players and memory
Stuart,
I recall having had a d
x27;i-p'a in
rather low regard considering it to be vulgar. However this didn't stop
them from enjoying the music or the instrument!
Steve Amazeen
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To:
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:19 PM
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To: Arto Wikla
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Arto,
As I've said, I site read now more than I memorize. As having come from
a classical guitar back ground,where everyone memorizes, I found this
uitars.com
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Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Blind players and memory
> U - the instrument in question for the four arts (ç´æ£<æ>¸ç.« qin qi
shu hua)
> was not lute but guqin (gu c
ring it to be vulgar. However this didn't stop
them from enjoying the music or the instrument!
Steve Amazeen
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From: "Stuart LeBlanc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:19 PM
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> So
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:52 PM
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> Michael,
>
> Why have you mutated from an instrument maker into this?
>
> It's not even fun
>
> Yours,
>
> Tony
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> From: "Michael Thames" &l
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: "Arto Wikla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: Blind players and memory
Dear Michael and all
On Sun,
rt LeBlanc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 2:19 PM
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>
> Sorry, not misinformed. Nor trivia, unless you think non-western cultures
are
> inherently trivial.
>
> Connect the dots: lute - al'ud - sarod - p'i
Dear Michael and all
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005, Michael Thames comments:
> >This brings to mind another point in the debate about >performing from
> memory or
> >score. Ever notice how most guitarists stare at their >hands while
> playing,
> >while a few look into the rafters or close their eyes >(dr
ded painting, calligraphy, go and... lute.
BTW the three liberal arts known as the trivium include grammar.
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From: Michael Thames [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:38 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Stuart LeBlanc
Subject: Re: Blind players and memo
Michael,
Why have you mutated from an instrument maker into this?
It's not even fun
Yours,
Tony
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Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:37 PM
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To:
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: Blind players and memory
>
> Look it up: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=moso-biwa
>
> While you're at it, you might take a look at:
> http://www.cc
t: Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:04 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Stuart LeBlanc
Subject: Re: Blind players and memory
>In Japan there is a genre called moso-biwa which consists >of
lute-accompanied
>recitation of Buddhist sutras by blind priests. >(Interestingly, these
priests
>were also
d lutes?
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:24 AM
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> In Japan there is a genre called moso-biwa which consists of
lute-accompanied
>
r sheet music.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:24 AM
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>
> In Japan there is a genre called moso-biwa which consists of
lute-accompani
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Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 7:07 AM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: Re: Blind players and memory
The playing of the harp required to have long nails which was not possible
when working on the field. So the playing of the harp was (apart from
mystical reasons) often the only possibility for a
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> Leaving the lute and harp aside for a moment, consider the organ. From
> Paumann to Langlais there have been blind organists. Langlais's teacher
Andre
Leaving the lute and harp aside for a moment, consider the organ. From
Paumann to Langlais there have been blind organists. Langlais's teacher Andre
Marchal was also blind. If ever there was a complex instrument, it would be the
organ, particularly the modern pipe organ with its varying arrangem
The playing of the harp required to have long nails which was not possible
when working on the field. So the playing of the harp was (apart from
mystical reasons) often the only possibility for a blindman to earn his
living.
Could well be that this also apply to lute players (except the nail par
not unrelated to jon's balanced, intelligent
observation is the comment that those who slavishly go
by the book ... obey a strict, literal interpretation
of the law - or the score - exhibit a lack of
imagination and a mind numbing fear. fear of what,
i'm not exactly sure but it could be that indiv
I can't speak of the old lutenists, but there were many harpers of medieval
and renaissance times who were blind. Although it is well past the
renaissance era the Belfast Harp Festival of 1792 listed 10 harpers (nine
men and one woman). Six of them are listed as blind. The prolific composer
for the
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